FatForesterso trying to get them to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars more for the same performance is difficult. With about everyone hurting financially right now, that makes it even harder to sell an all-in-one system.

Yet Apple continues to have sales that are going through the roof, a record breaking second quarter, and continuing to be considered as the most innovative company year to year.

People are scared of buying big stuff right now. Cars, houses, and large payments. However computers and entertainment will continue to sell as long as the consumer base really likes the product. Apple is showing this year to year with record sales and huge profits.

MACs do well for ever since i pod and there designs are awful sexy

FatForesterYou guys need to take a step back and look at what you're arguing about. Both of you have a valid point, and you're essentially agreeing with eachother, it is just you're too stubborn to acknowledge it. The all-in-one form factor is definitely a feature, although it is not a feature you get to choose, so that somewhat negates the "feature" aspect. Most people that buy a PC are looking for either a laptop or a regular desktop tower. When people are confronted by the all-in-one systems from Dell or Gateway, etc, they are driven away mainly because of the price, which is why manufacturers haven't put that much energy into developing them. Of course, this trend IS beginning to change, but people buying computers in the PC market have a LOT more to choose from, so trying to get them to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars more for the same performance is difficult. With about everyone hurting financially right now, that makes it even harder to sell an all-in-one system.

This brings up my point. The people that want and need an all-in-one formfactor are going to spend the extra money for it (like you Wile E), since that is a feature they definitely want. This is where the whole "scam" regarding iMacs comes in. The iMac for it's size and features is actually reasonably priced. The problem is there isn't any middle ground like there is in "PC land". If someone wants a desktop tower (more performance for the $, able to upgrade easier, etc.), then if they want to legally use OS X they have to fork out over $2,000 for the Mac Pro. For a regular PC, you have all kinds of choices ranging from building your own, customizing one from Dell, or choosing from the hundreds of pre-built configurations running through all price ranges. THIS is where the problem lies. There's absolutely no choice for these kinds of people (the people newtekie is referring to) but to fork it over for something they might not necessarily want or need. If Apple can go ahead an affordable, "boring" desktop tower, I don't think many people would have a problem. Of course, the ultimate solution would be for them to open up OSX for the rest of PC's... like that will happen :laugh:

Thank you, that is very true. The middle ground would be the Mac Mini, but lets face it, the performance jump from the Mac Mini to the iMac is huge. Like you said, there is no good performance and reasonably priced option. Apple doesn't use performance to sell its computers, they use looks and the OS. There is nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't appeal to me.

tkpenaltyAll you guys better stop arguing before I call a mod in here to fix your attitudes up. I'm sick of this Mac vs Prebuilt PC bullshit that keeps popping up in every Mac thread. Yes, the Mac runs off a different OS that won't run properly on a PC, and that makes it different.

Stop complaining/arguing; the point of this thread is to comment on the article that was posted, not have your great debates here so please, take it somewhere else, most preferably off forum.

A mod has already been in here, when Wile E reported my message. No action was taken.

Quite pretending like you have any pull or power around here. Your message was more off topic than any other message here. The only people that have the power to warn people to stop arguing in a thread is a mod, which you are not, so drop the act.

RavenasYet Apple continues to have sales that are going through the roof, a record breaking second quarter, and continuing to be considered as the most innovative company year to year.

People are scared of buying big stuff right now. Cars, houses, and large payments. However computers and entertainment will continue to sell as long as the consumer base really likes the product. Apple is showing this year to year with record sales and huge profits.

Sorry, I guess I didn't word it correctly. I was talking mainly about PC manufacturers since they have to be much more competitive in order for the consumer to believe that the price jump is justified.

You're right though, it seems that Apple and Exxon are two of the few that haven't been hurt by the economy. Apple pushing out something crazy like 1.9 million units or something? And then Exxon... don't get me started :shadedshu