PCpraiser100And the chances of optimized games for ATI would be......?

Nkdthis is one reason most games run better on nvidia hardware from the beginning and tend to have better minimum fps, and it takes ati atleast few driver updates to squeeze the full performance from a game or sometimes takes a year, just like cat8.6 and COD4, I have a hd 4870 right now, but nvidia seems to have 10 times better developer relations than ati, ati always relies on their driver team. AMD needs to step up the game, that is why nvidia seems to end up getting more customers because of their developer relations.

Nkdthis is one reason most games run better on nvidia hardware from the beginning and tend to have better minimum fps, and it takes ati atleast few driver updates to squeeze the full performance from a game or sometimes takes a year, just like cat8.6 and COD4, I have a hd 4870 right now, but nvidia seems to have 10 times better developer relations than ati, ati always relies on their driver team. AMD needs to step up the game, that is why nvidia seems to end up getting more customers because of their developer relations.

PCpraiser100why can't they just compete fairly with mediocre game engines that don't give a $h** for any side so that we all know who is the best on the block....Nvidia, you are a snitch SOB who thinks about living a lie because you can't handle the truth that you just bribe your way out of situations.

phanbueyIts not unfair at all... Nvidia pours tons of money and support into game development. Ati doesnt have money, so they pour money into designing better hardware. ATI cards still run great - Look at Crysis. Its optimized for Nvidia, but it runs amazing on the 4870.

DX 10 is not that special, Im glad Microshaft is moving to DX11...

Speaking of... @ bta: Is DX11 going to be backwards compatible with DX10? Does it fall back to DX10 if the card doesnt support it like DX 10.1 does?

Nkdthis is one reason most games run better on nvidia hardware from the beginning and tend to have better minimum fps, and it takes ati atleast few driver updates to squeeze the full performance from a game or sometimes takes a year, just like cat8.6 and COD4, I have a hd 4870 right now, but nvidia seems to have 10 times better developer relations than ati, ati always relies on their driver team. AMD needs to step up the game, that is why nvidia seems to end up getting more customers because of their developer relations.

mamisanoAnd where are you getting your facts from?
Here is a list of AMD/ATI development tools for Radon products:

# » AMD Tootle (Triangle Order Optimization Tool)
# » ATI Compress
# » CubeMapGen
# » GPU Mesh Mapper
# » GPU PerfStudio
# » GPU ShaderAnalyzer
# » Normal Mapper
# » OpenGL ES 2.0 Emulator
# » RenderMonkey™
# » The Compressonator
# » AMD Stream™
# » HLSL2GLSL

More info on each can be found here: developer.amd.com/gpu/Pages/default.aspx

PCpraiser100In some cases your right phanbuey, but there are some ways Nvidia uses to cut corners. My friend use to own a 6600GT and decided to play BF2 on full settings (BTW BF2 is an Nvidia game) and when we played it at full settings a big freeze suddenly occurred and then we saw that all the textures were less pixelated. Huge bust for Nvidia. And did you know that Crysis could optimize the 8800GT by renaming a certain config file in any way? Another bust. And then I played HL2 Episode One and CS Source on my borrowed friend's computer which had a 7900GTX and in the games HDR bloom was on steroids. But when I looked closely at the lit up props in the games the reflections and textures were not tat pixelated compared to other props around me in the game (full settings 1600x1200 by the way). Another bust for Nvidia as when I moved away from the HDR areas my framerates went down by a 30fps drop.
Now onto DX11, I am kinda glad they are developing it but it just worries me on the performance point-of-view that because Nvidia is the closer partner, they will be looking at the API's development closely. And since DX11 is one or two years away from now, Nvidia has got themselves a bit headstart in getting their GTXwahtever-the-heck series ready for DX11 games.

Nkdthis is one reason most games run better on nvidia hardware from the beginning and tend to have better minimum fps, and it takes ati atleast few driver updates to squeeze the full performance from a game or sometimes takes a year, just like cat8.6 and COD4, I have a hd 4870 right now, but nvidia seems to have 10 times better developer relations than ati, ati always relies on their driver team. AMD needs to step up the game, that is why nvidia seems to end up getting more customers because of their developer relations.

PCpraiser100Ya really, luckily the HL2 series is one of my favorite games as the Source Engine has scalable performance optimized for both sides in the generation:toast:. I mean like both companies have their unique strengths and weaknesses which sets them apart:slap:, why can't they just compete fairly with mediocre game engines that don't give a $h** for any side so that we all know who is the best on the block. I know for a fact that ATI will bust this whole graphics propaganda bull$h** especially for the position they are in. So by the looks of it because Microsoft french kisses Nvidia, they will replaced the DirectX ATI is really getting good at and then start with DirectX 11 announcements. Nvidia, you are a snitch SOB who thinks about living a lie because you can't handle the truth that you just bride your way out of situations.

PCpraiser100In some cases your right phanbuey, but there are some ways Nvidia uses to cut corners. My friend use to own a 6600GT and decided to play BF2 on full settings (BTW BF2 is an Nvidia game) and when we played it at full settings a big freeze suddenly occurred and then we saw that all the textures were less pixelated. Huge bust for Nvidia. And did you know that Crysis could optimize the 8800GT by renaming a certain config file in any way? Another bust. And then I played HL2 Episode One and CS Source on my borrowed friend's computer which had a 7900GTX and in the games HDR bloom was on steroids. But when I looked closely at the lit up props in the games the reflections and textures were not tat pixelated compared to other props around me in the game (full settings 1600x1200 by the way). Another bust for Nvidia as when I moved away from the HDR areas my framerates went down by a 30fps drop.
Now onto DX11, I am kinda glad they are developing it but it just worries me on the performance point-of-view that because Nvidia is the closer partner, they will be looking at the API's development closely. And since DX11 is one or two years away from now, Nvidia has got themselves a bit headstart in getting their GTXwahtever-the-heck series ready for DX11 games.

Solaris17I cant wait to play with this stuff!!!