Kodlan, why are you arguing? Do you not understand that IE works fine for him, and it is his opinion that it is good enough for him? Just because you like something better, doesn't mean that everyone should.

I use FF personally, but I still don't give a rat's ass what a website developer has to go thru to get a site to work in IE. That's what they chose to do as a hobby/career, that's what they have to deal with. Every hobby/career has it's ups and downs. Having to code for IE is a down side to Web development. It's the state of the current market. If you don't like it, pick a different hobby/career.

As an end user, all that matters is that it does work, not how much coding it took to make it happen.

What you are doing is no different than those people standing on the street corner yelling religious verses at people passing by, effectively shoving their religion down the throat of everyone that walks by. All it manages to do is annoy people.

Wile EKodlan, why are you arguing? Do you not understand that IE works fine for him, and it is his opinion that it is good enough for him? Just because you like something better, doesn't mean that everyone should.

I use FF personally, but I still don't give a rat's ass what a website developer has to go thru to get a site to work in IE. That's what they chose to do as a hobby/career, that's what they have to deal with. Every hobby/career has it's ups and downs. Having to code for IE is a down side to Web development. It's the state of the current market. If you don't like it, pick a different hobby/career.

As an end user, all that matters is that it does work, not how much coding it took to make it happen.

What you are doing is no different than those people standing on the street corner yelling religious verses at people passing by, effectively shoving their religion down the throat of everyone that walks by. All it manages to do is annoy people.

I'm not arguing. I'm just trying to convince that the are some other good browsers not just IE. I'm not talking only about FF. And not only from the developer point of view...
I think security, speed also counts for end-users. :roll:

kodlanI'm not arguing. I'm just trying to convince that the are some other good browsers not just IE. I'm not talking only about FF. And not only from the developer point of view...
I think security, speed also counts for end-users. :roll:

But you still aren't taking into account peoples' preferences on layout, looks and preference functionality. They don't want the other browsers. I keep hearing how much faster, secure and more accurate Opera is, but I still won't use it because I can't stand the UI.

But you still aren't taking into account peoples' preferences on layout, looks and preference functionality.

Layout, looks and preference functionality IN IE? Nice joke ! 8)

Can i install IE8 Beta2 even when my OS language is not supported yet? I ask cause i dont wanna mess up my OS.

kodlanLayout, looks and preference functionality IN IE? Nice joke ! 8)

How is it a joke? It's what they prefer. They are not wrong for that, like you want to believe. Layout is subjective, not objective. Now just let it go, and quit heckling people for their IE preference.

Presentation of Mozilla prototype of the next interface:
www.ultrasharpware.com/blog/2008/08/07/future-mozilla-interface-aurora/

kodlanPresentation of Mozilla prototype of the next interface:
www.ultrasharpware.com/blog/2008/08/07/future-mozilla-interface-aurora/

I'll stick with a standard interface, thank you. Aurora doesn't interest me in the slightest.

Well that's your choise to stick with that buggy IE...

kodlanWell that's your choise to stick with that buggy IE...

My foot...
I have never had IE7 crash on me. Ever.
Firefox 2 was slow. FF3 was slower. IE7 was fast.
FF2 and 3 didn't display some web pages I wanted. IE7 did.
FF2 and 3 may be slightly faster in loading web pages, but IE7 was more responsive when loading.

That is why I use Opera. :cool:
It runs faster than IE7 or FF, loads pages faster, looks better, has inbuilt torrent, has useful stuff, and doesn't eat my RAM. I also like the UI.
IE7 is a good backup for when Opera fails.

On that note, I will now go and find where to download IE8 B2... ;)

kodlanHAVE you ever driven a Fiesta? =)

LOL, no!

Wile EI use FF personally, but I still don't give a rat's ass what a website developer has to go thru to get a site to work in IE. That's what they chose to do as a hobby/career, that's what they have to deal with.

this statement is especially true. it seems to me that developers are a bunch of whiners that dont want to deal with the challenges of the marketplace. those guys should be happy because they get paid way more than most jobs around.

it seems to me that developers are a bunch of whiners that dont want to deal with the challenges of the marketplace.

Thats because they are not challenges they are BUGS!

The plugins i use on firefox are quite the opposite in effect to what you are describing - Adblockplus, never ever have any pop ups after installing that, FasterFox - Pre-caches links so that if you click the page is almost completely loaded up, and the best feature of firefox - the favourites tabs. Best thing ever haha.

kodlanThats because they are not challenges they are BUGS!

But the fact remains it's a field you chose to get into. It's a well known fact that IE requires special coding, and that the majority of web users use IE. If you didn't want to deal with it, you should've chosen a different field.

That's like a mechanic bitching because he has to get dirty.

Wile EBut the fact remains it's a field you chose to get into. It's a well known fact that IE requires special coding, and that the majority of web users use IE. If you didn't want to deal with it, you should've chosen a different field.

That's like a mechanic bitching because he has to get dirty.

I do deal with it. I don't understand why the majority of users choose the worst from what they can choose from :shadedshu

kodlanI do deal with it. I don't understand why the majority of users choose the worst from what they can choose from :shadedshu

Because from the user's standpoit, the only difference is the interface. All the major browsers do exactly what they are supposed to do, and that is to browse the internet. Most people don't care about the technicalities of everything. All they care is how they interact with it, and it displays the websites they decide to visit.

i dont see why this is so hard to understand. IE has a browser that works quite well for me. like i said before, i dont need a bunch of plugins because i dont spend my life surfing the net.

Most people don't care about the technicalities of everything.

You don't need to go deep into technicalities to see that it sucks..

kodlanYou don't need to go deep into technicalities to see that it sucks..

Look, kodlan - thats your opinion. Some people, like easy rhino, dont need all the bells and whistles off a mega 1337 browser, because they are casual web browsers. If your into web based games and web based research etc, then yes, all the addons will aid you in the long run, but just for quickly checking your email or coming on here doesnt require it.

Some people like IE for its clean & simplistic take on web browsing - is that such a crime? :ohwell:

kodlanYou don't need to go deep into technicalities to see that it sucks..

For who? You? How does it suck when it does exactly what people want it to do?

i dont see why this is so hard to understand. IE has a browser that works quite well for me. like i said before, i dont need a bunch of plugins because i dont spend my life surfing the net.

That's the same thing that is said that ordinarry people use only 5% of their brain power. Well most people don't use their brain at all. You don't need much brain to eat and watch TV.
That wasn't offence for you personally. It's general idea..

Some people like IE for its clean & simplistic take on web browsing

I just can't laugh any more. =)

kodlanYou don't need to go deep into technicalities to see that it sucks..

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Okay. I was just trying to tell my point of view, maybe I haven't done that properly.