Monday, July 27th 2009

European Commission Welcomes New Microsoft Proposals on MSIE and Interoperability

The European Commission can confirm that Microsoft has proposed a consumer ballot screen as a solution to the pending antitrust case about the tying of Microsoft Internet Explorer web browser with Windows. This followed extensive discussions with the Commission which centred on a remedy outlined in the January 2009 Statement of Objections (see MEMO/09/15) whereby consumers would be shown a "ballot screen" from which they could - if they wished - easily install competing web browsers, set one of those browsers as a default, and disable Internet Explorer. Under the proposal, Windows 7 would include Internet Explorer, but the proposal recognises the principle that consumers should be given a free and effective choice of web browser, and sets out a means - the ballot screen - by which Microsoft believes that can be achieved. In addition OEMs would be able to install competing web browsers, set those as default and disable Internet Explorer should they so wish. The Commission welcomes this proposal, and will now investigate its practical effectiveness in terms of ensuring genuine consumer choice.

As the Commission indicated in June (see MEMO/09/272 ), the Commission was concerned that, should Microsoft's conduct prove to have been abusive, Microsoft's intention to separate Internet Explorer from Windows, without measures such as a ballot screen, would not necessarily have achieved greater consumer choice in practice and would not have been an effective remedy.

Microsoft has also made proposals in relation to disclosures of interoperability information that would improve the interoperability between third party products and Windows and Windows Server. Again, these proposals require further investigation before the Commission reaches any conclusion as to the next steps.

Microsoft's proposals will be published in full on its website. The Commission has no further comment at this stage.
Source: Europa
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129 Comments on European Commission Welcomes New Microsoft Proposals on MSIE and Interoperability

#126
Wile E
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Meecrobif prices skyrocketed on prebuilt OEM systems people would just buy more custom built jobs at local shops.

and OEM wouldn't endup paying more for their AMD chips in EU because it would still be cheaper to just order more for the US plants( if they even have plants/assembly shops over there) and ship the chips/parts to the EU, again your logic fails to function as long as there are 2 companies.

If the price on AMD or INTEL parts are drastically cheaper in one country then in others, people will just order their stuff online and wait for shipping, OEM's on the other hand ALREADY HAVE THEIR CONTRACTS FOR PARTS, if they have to they can just ship the supplies or whole systems over, Normal people wouldnt endup knowing the difference, geeks would because if they wanted intel they would have to import the parts themselves or buy from a specialty shop that imports them(making the cost higher)

good example is the FiiO headphone amps, You can get the e3 for under 7bucks on DX and the e5 is like 17bucks on DX, if you buy them in the states from most retailers you pay 30-80bucks for the same thing!!!( i found 3 places that sold the e5 ALONE for 80bucks!!!) its crazy, BUT with a little searching you can find DX and order them cheap as hell, sure you may have to wait a few weeks if they arent in stock, but hey, its still cheaper($7/$17 is the shipped price) enough cheaper that its worth the wait, You cant tell me geeks wouldnt do the same if Intel or AMD chips where to price inflate the same way as teh FiiO amps do when they cross the big puddle.
Except neither Intel nor AMD would allow their chips to be shipped from north america thru their channels, and they'd be well within their rights to sue the likes of the major oems that shipped over there. The only ones that may be able to get away with it is small volume dealers, and then there wouldn't be enough chips available to make a significant dent in the market. Not to mention, all the tariffs that would be imposed on the imports (which is a huge reason companies have a division in each part of the world, to avoid tariffs), and you'll still see major increases in AMD prices.

So either way, if Intel pulls out of the market, AMD prices will skyrocket.

Your headphone amp example has nothing to do with this (and is wrong anyway). The official US Fiio distributor is Head-Direct, and they price the E5 at around $20-25. The higher priced ones are just price-gougers. Not to mention, the volume of Fiio products is insignificant compared to Intel or AMD volumes, and that makes a huge difference.

You're still wrong here.
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#127
Meecrob
Wile EExcept neither Intel nor AMD would allow their chips to be shipped from north america thru their channels, and they'd be well within their rights to sue the likes of the major oems that shipped over there. The only ones that may be able to get away with it is small volume dealers, and then there wouldn't be enough chips available to make a significant dent in the market. Not to mention, all the tariffs that would be imposed on the imports (which is a huge reason companies have a division in each part of the world, to avoid tariffs), and you'll still see major increases in AMD prices.

So either way, if Intel pulls out of the market, AMD prices will skyrocket.

Your headphone amp example has nothing to do with this (and is wrong anyway). The official US Fiio distributor is Head-Direct, and they price the E5 at around $20-25. The higher priced ones are just price-gougers. Not to mention, the volume of Fiio products is insignificant compared to Intel or AMD volumes, and that makes a huge difference.

You're still wrong here.
Im always wrong and your always right, yeah we know this, just like any time you have an opinion and somebody dosnt agree.

none of this matters tho, because as you will admit, even if they gotta pay the fine, they wont leave the market because it would mean even more losses from a market where they do make a hell of alot of money.
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#128
Wile E
Power User
MeecrobIm always wrong and your always right, yeah we know this, just like any time you have an opinion and somebody dosnt agree.

non of this matters tho, because as you will admit, even if they gotta pay the fine, they wont leave the market because it would mean even more losses from a market where they do make a hell of alot of money.
Pretty much. Guess is was a pointless debate anyway.
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Meecrob
Wile EPretty much. Guess is was a pointless debate anyway.
exectly, same reasion that ms wouldnt ever pull out of a major market, even china where they try to almost give vista and xp away yet still have more pirated users then world wide legit users, there is still money to be made one way or the other, and its better to make that money then let somebody else make it.

in the end no large company will leave any market that makes it money, even if they endup having to pay crazy high fines for stuff they did thats against the law( be it a good law or a bad law, that dosnt matter here)
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