Nice i wish it was about 25 dollars less but seeing 6 monitor eyefinty and other tech changes its a nice deal. I just want to see how these scale in Xfire, it might be worth picking up two and selling my 5870.

humm... the replacement for the 5770 costs almost $100 more. Wonder how much the 6970 (or whatever they are calling the replacement of the 5870) will cost.....

Spot on for these to compete with GTX460, though nvidia will reduce prices when these come out

I WANT A 6990!!!!!!!!

xrealm20humm... the replacement for the 5770 costs almost $100 more. Wonder how much the 6970 (or whatever they are calling the replacement of the 5870) will cost.....

If I remember correctly when the 5770 first released they were way more too. I believe they were between $250 and $200. They quickly dropped... but they were over priced... because I remember forums and tech news posts bitching about it.

Not only that the way I understand it is these cards are a new breed. Meaning they are filling in a performance gap between the 5850 and 5770 which was disappointedly being filled by the 5830. That is why the name change to better organize the performance structure. So there is no real rules for were they should be priced.... but I think they did pretty spot on if these are the real prices. Between the 5830 and 5770.


***After thought****
What really concerns me though on these cards is the DX11 performance. When Fermi released all you heard was "Great tessellation performance double of ATI's" ATi lost the tessellation race IMO last gen. That is something they need to focus on.

And the fact we haven't heard anything about tessellation yet really worries me!!!

20mmrain***After thought****
What really concerns me though on these cards is the DX11 performance. When Fermi released all you heard was "Great tessellation performance double of ATI's" ATi lost the tessellation race IMO last gen. That is something they need to focus on.

And the fact we haven't heard anything about tessellation yet really worries me!!!

If I'm not mistaken, tesselation was one of the main reasons they are making these cards.. and to directly compete with the GTX 460. We haven't heard anything official on performance yet, but soon...

erockerIf I'm not mistaken, tesselation was one of the main reasons they are making these cards.. and to directly compete with the GTX 460. We haven't heard anything official on performance yet, but soon...

That is the rumor as far as I can tell.... were has ATI said that? Hey if I am wrong I would feel much more comforted by that fact!

*Edit*
I didn't read your whole post.... the ending about official performance numbers.

Seems like a huge price gap between the two cards though, bigger than I expected anyhow.

wtf, is it just me or is this price tags skyhigh?

6970 price?

xrealm20humm... the replacement for the 5770 costs almost $100 more. Wonder how much the 6970 (or whatever they are calling the replacement of the 5870) will cost.....

What? The 6700's are what 5700's are being turned into if I remember right.

csendesmark6970 price?

I'd think 6950 = £275+/-£20, 6970 = £325+/-£25.

If the 6970 is in fact better than the GTX 480, they can ask upwards of £400. But that would be shite.

Antilles? Anyone know if it's 6950 or 6970 based (anyone know = rumours heard!)

Antilles is Barts-based, IMHO. I am the source of this rumour.:laugh:

I expect the non-reference 5970 pcbs to be re-used for 6870x2(Barts is pin-compatible with Cypress, apparantly). I expect Antilles to NOT be 69xx-named.(This means that all OEMs can save costs on the dual-gpu board development, and justifies the late introduction of ASUS ARES and XFX 5970 4GB Black Edition).


This will allow for large margins, and very decent clocks on the x2 card...no 5970 with 5850 speeds this time.

cadavecaAntilles is Barts-based

Makes sense i suppose. Cayman x2 would be a wee bit power munchy.

Considering the cheapest HD 5870 I can find here costs ~€330 (a more common price tag is €360~400€), this is good news.

20mmrainThat is the rumor as far as I can tell.... were has ATI said that? Hey if I am wrong I would feel much more comforted by that fact!

*Edit*
I didn't read your whole post.... the ending about official performance numbers.

The new shader design should up tessellation up a whole bunch, with it being 4 medium rather than 4 simple + 1 complex.

Hope to see some good price drops on the 460s with these filling the 460 price spot.

6850/70 will be better than 5850/70 right? then the prices are great no? the 6870 will at least be better than the 5850 so 250$ for something better than a 5850 with better tesselation and maybe even better performance per watt seems OK... is the 6850 is better than the 5850 than 200$ for a newer version of the 5850 is awesome pricing

Haven't been following the 6000series really so sorry if I'm completely wrong lol

n-ster6850/70 will be better than 5850/70 right? then the prices are great no? the 6870 will at least be better than the 5850 so 250$ for something better than a 5850 with better tesselation and maybe even better performance per watt seems OK... is the 6850 is better than the 5850 than 200$ for a newer version of the 5850 is awesome pricing

6870 will be around 5-10% slower than the 5870 ... thats what I've gathered from what I've read ... :) ... so yeah ... if it has better tessalation performance and consumes less power ... I think we have a winner in 6870 at $250 price point ... wish they'll be a little cheaper tho ... :D

EDIT: If im right about the performance ... that is, the 6870 being 5-10% slower ... then it will be similar to GTX470 ... currently the lowest 470 on the egg is $280 ... so I think the 6870 price is grt ... :)

cadavecaAntilles is Barts-based, IMHO. I am the source of this rumour.:laugh:

speeds this time.

How can be Antilles Bart based? that would make it perform on par with 5970 man....
5970 = 5850x2(with 1600 shaders btw)
6990(or whatever they name it) = 6950x2(succesor of 5850)

If i get it right what you're saying is:
6990 = 6870x2 = 5850x2 = 5970
it would be like aprox 10% faster than 5970 depending on crossfirex scaling of the new cards
IMHO.

I am hoping this drives prices down for the HD 5870 series.

afw6870 will be around 5-10% slower than the 5870 ... thats what I've gathered from what I've read ... :) ... so yeah ... if it has better tessalation performance and consumes less power ... I think we have a winner in 6870 at $250 price point ... wish they'll be a little cheaper tho ... :D

EDIT: If im right about the performance ... that is, the 6870 being 5-10% slower ... then it will be similar to GTX470 ... currently the lowest 470 on the egg is $280 ... so I think the 6870 price is grt ... :)

If you were right then it should only take a little overclocking for the 6870 to beat the 5870 and that would be great as cirtain areas of performance will have improved as well as being cheaper so for a new setup would proberley be a better choice than a 5870, although really im waiting for cayman and preferably the 6970 and hoping it beats the 480 and uses less power (and preferably costs less as well :laugh:).

Super XPI am hoping this drives prices down for the HD 5870 series.

If it did push down the prices then would they not be in pretty much the same price range as each other?

*edit*
Ok maybe not, just checked newegg and the cheapest 5870 is $350 so yes it would be nice if it did push the prices down. But in the uk a cheaper 5870 is £280 and according to these prices a 6870 would be about £225 (using a direct currencey conversion from euro to pounds sterling) so only £55 away from each other, thus why i thought a price drop would bring them very close to each other.

*another edit* :laugh:
I just noticed every news post about the new AMD radeons has an ATI icon on the front page, will this change? :p

bear jesusI just noticed every news post about the new AMD radeons has an ATI icon on the front page, will this change? :p

They changed it, we didn't.

Mr McCThey changed it, we didn't.

I was curious if TPU would be changing to use the new AMD radeon logo for future radeon news posts.

bear jesusI was curious if TPU would be changing to use the new AMD radeon logo for future radeon news posts.

Old habits die hard, I don't know when I'll be able to discuss AMD cards rather that ATI cards. ;)

Hey, I recognise that store! www.informatique.nl