Friday, November 19th 2010
NVIDIA Readying Dual-GF110 Graphics Accelerator, Eying Total Performance Leadership
NVIDIA stunned the computing world with a speedy launch of the GeForce GTX 580. The GPU was able to increase NVIDIA's single-GPU performance leadership, and also iron-out some serious issues with the power-draw and thermal characteristics of previous generation GeForce GTX 480. It is now that a dual-GPU implementation of the GF110 graphics processor, on which the GTX 580 is based, looks inevitable. NVIDIA seems to be ready with a prototype of such a dual-GPU accelerator, which the Chinese media is referring to as the "GTX 595".
The reference design PCB of the dual-GF110 accelerator (which still needs some components fitted) reveals quite a lot about the card taking shape. First, it's a single PCB card, both the GPU systems are located on the same PCB. Second, there are slots for three DVI output connectors present, indicating that the card with be 3D Vision Surround ready in a single card. You just have to get one of these, plug in three displays over standard DVI, and you're ready with a large display head spanning three physical displays.
Third, it could feature a total of 3 GB of video memory (or 1.5 GB per GPU system). Each GPU system has six memory chips on the obverse side of the PCB. At this point we can't comment on the memory bus width of each GPU. The core configuration of the GPUs are also unknown. Fourth, power is drawn in from two 8-pin PCI-E power connectors. The card is 2-way SLI capable with another of its kind.
Source:
enet.com.cn
The reference design PCB of the dual-GF110 accelerator (which still needs some components fitted) reveals quite a lot about the card taking shape. First, it's a single PCB card, both the GPU systems are located on the same PCB. Second, there are slots for three DVI output connectors present, indicating that the card with be 3D Vision Surround ready in a single card. You just have to get one of these, plug in three displays over standard DVI, and you're ready with a large display head spanning three physical displays.
153 Comments on NVIDIA Readying Dual-GF110 Graphics Accelerator, Eying Total Performance Leadership
I think the 6970 will beat the 580 by a fair amount, because as i said, the 580 is still building off the same structure, while AMD is working from the ground up. And that doesn't mean it will definitely be better, but it gives them a very high chance of toppling Nvidia on that front.
hold back on calling people noobs
I'm also thinking the 6970 will have similar performance to the to the 580 because we know its in the area based on everything we have seen, and by Nvidia releasing their card first it gave AMD the chance to see if they needed to boost clocks or not to compete.
going back in ATI vs Nvidia, its usually been Nvidia dominating ATI since the X1900XTX but now Nvidia has some real competition and competition = lower prices for us.
Can I quote you? "I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise"
One GTX 580 is 77% performance of an sli set up.
One HD 6870 is 73% performance of crossfire set up.
One HD 6850 is 69% performance of a crossfire set up.
So the 6 series scale better than the GTX 580.
As i'm an adult i wont resort to saying "STFU n00b", instead i'll say, read some reviews about what you're talking about before you troll.
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6870_CrossFire/23.html
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580_SLI/24.html
If you look at the 2560X1600 segment (where graphics is the main suspect for bottleneck, vram or not) the picture becomes less rosy.
Edit: look at mid end graphics card SLi
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_460_SLI/27.html
Can't see ATi winning now, can we?
This card is going to be powerful, i agree. But I'm not sure it will beat the HD6990.
And lower end cards tend to scale better, im not surprised something like the 6800 series would scale better, but generally it's been SLI that has been known for better scaling, but of course as i said before, there are a lot of factors that determine that, GPU architecture, drivers, software/games being ran, resolution etc.
Over in guru3d DiRT2, Far Cry 2 and Crysis Warhead at lower resolutions shows the 2-way SLI of the 580 slightly ahead of 3-way, but if I were to follow your reasoning Benetanegia that's inconsequential because apparently only max resolution matters and not the data for ALL resolutions...:roll::roll::roll:
"Release timing for the 6970 isn't certain and may be in flux. One leak has claimed that chip yield problems at AMD's manufacturing partner, TSMC, have prevented the new Radeon from shipping for an intended end of November release. With less than 10 percent of 6970 chips at an acceptable quality, AMD can't make enough stock, TechEye said. The slip may push the faster 6000-series card into early 2011 and leave just the Radeon HD 6870 as the most recent graphics component."
Sorry for the hypocritical speculation but we are still waiting.
There. Done. Let me "*sigh*" as well.
Given the right circumstances both camps have proven they can scale between 80-100% this is a moot argument.
one site's review is not an all-indicative factore of scaling performance, especially given t
he massive variety of games tested, some being AMD friendly, some NV, and some scaling badly for both.
generally, over the populous of polular (mostly MP) games, Nvidia tend to have better scaling, given you need and insanely powerfull base system to feed GPU's like 2x GF110 and 4xCypress.
The 6900's have a higher chances of being better then the 580 due to the new design, they have an early look at Nvidias cards already and if they focus and design the card to really be monstrous, then i think inevitably the 6900's will come out on top.
I'm probably one of the few people that don't actually think the 580's are supposed to compete against the 6900's. I think if it was we would be seeing a much different card, the 580 was a refresh righting the wrongs of the 480 and adding a good 10%-12% or so increase performance wise, that is all.
But it makes me wonder if the 480 was as it should have been (the 580) what would nvidia be doing now, if its single chip card beat ATI's dual chip card from when it should have been released (around the 58xx launch) would nvidia be releasing the 5xx cards this year? would they have even released anything other than a dual chip card before the transition to 28nm?
I really hope the 6970 beats the 580 as if everything had worked out then AMD would be trying to catch up to the year old 480 with the power of the 580, unfortunately however it turns out i will probably have to buy a 6970 to get back to using a single card/chip and then just keep hoping that nvidia will support triple monitor setups on a single card/chip for the 680 so it can be an option for me.
The arguement wasn't about who generally scales better. What Sabrewulf explicitly said was:
SLI has always scaled better too than ATI/AMD's Crossfire
So i gave the link (pics) as requested:
I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise
My link proves otherwise. Yes, of course Nvidia cards scale better on the whole but the post was short sighted enough to say NV ALWAYS scales better which is no longer true as the 6 series is making headway.
You dont always have to defend NV from me. I'm 90% on way to buying a new card and it's more than likely going to be NV (unless HD 6970 is surprisingly good). But to defend a post that is in fact wrong by using irrelevant info doesn't help.
Your post didnt disprove me at all.