damn it and i just bought my 780...............

N3M3515Very interesting discussion, please reply this:
"Where I live, R9 280X AKA Overclocked Radeon HD 7970, is cheaper and faster than what it is replacing... and guess what, at the end of the day, that's the only thing that matters."

Making popcorn!

What's to discuss? Where NeoXF is the 280X is cheaper than the 7970. That fulfils their argument as far as she/he are concerned. Personally, I would tend to look at the larger markets as an indicator - but to each their own*
I could apply NeoXF's same metric to my local situation, and say that for instance the recent HD 7990 is a PoS based on the fact that the card retails for $1800+ here (or three times the price of an OC'ed 7970GE), or that the pre-order price for a reference R9-290X at $1002 -or ~10% more than a non-ref 780, makes it decidedly meh...


But of course I realise that my situation might not be indicative of the majority of people also looking at the cards, and tend to weight any judgement on a larger market that tends to influence the bulk of sales.

* I'm more keen on learning how I can transfer MIR's intended for one product to discounts to other items not covered by MIR. This sounds absolutely fascinating and truly revolutionary...if true. Then of course it could just be bullshit spouted by someone with no clue whatsoever. I'll email Asus, Sapphire and MSI and let you know the outcome.

theoneandonlymrkYou like proprietary bs one make standard's?

Can someone please convert this to English?
Having spent a few Saturdays in Salford I can understand that other species have a unique take on rational thought.

the54thvoidThis is called Nvidia going "bollocks, what now?"

It isn't like nVidia is in a bad position. It was either lower the price or the Titan or release a card between the GTX780 and Titan that matches the 290X or maybe even slightly bests it.

Of course they could do both...

And i just bought 2 780's... You've got to be kidding me. :rolleyes:

Saw this coming. I still think the move is a little premature from NVIDIA though. We still have no idea of it's "actual" performance nor of it's "actual" price. So for all we know AMD gets greedy and/or it doesn't perform as well as we all hoped (including myself).
Still despite that the only other company AMD competes against is "battening down the hatches". :toast:

PatoRodriguesAnd i just bought 2 780's... You've got to be kidding me. :rolleyes:

Buy another ;)

Am*unlike Nvidia who are currently charging WAY more than their previous SKUs -- a 770 sells for anywhere from 30%-50% above a 680s price

Such an outrageous claim. If I were to buy a GTX 770 today, it'd cost me $50 less than what I paid for my GTX 670 last year.

Well folks we've had a card out for several months charging a premium for it (yeah, screw you early adopters), now were going to release a counter a to card from our competitor, and we hope you just forget that we raped your wallet previously.

What AMD could do now to collapse NVIDIA's house of cards is price the R9 290X at $499.

btarunrWhat AMD could do now to collapse NVIDIA's house of cards is price the R9 290X at $499.

Well could may be changed to forced.

btarunrWhat AMD could do now to collapse NVIDIA's house of cards is price the R9 290X at $499.

Nvidia would probably spontaneously combust if that happened.

MxPhenom 216Nvidia would probably spontaneously combust if that happened.

i doubt nvidia would do that. As bta level price suggestion for R9-290x with $499 would be no brainer. we as consumers would be happy including myself (very happy). i'm gonna buy two of R9-290x. :rockout:

yeah, bring the competition. :rockout:

btarunrWhat AMD could do now to collapse NVIDIA's house of cards is price the R9 290X at $499.

Yep, they could.

Will they. No, they're just as greedy as the other guys.

freakshowdamn it and i just bought my 780...............

No worries, the people who buy this or the 290X will get their chance to complain when Maxwell comes along.

RavenasWell folks we've had a card out for several months charging a premium for it (yeah, screw you early adopters), now were going to release a counter a to card from our competitor, and we hope you just forget that we raped your wallet previously.

That is pretty much the way with all tech.

EpicShweetnessSaw this coming. I still think the move is a little premature from NVIDIA though. We still have no idea of it's "actual" performance nor of it's "actual" price. So for all we know AMD gets greedy and/or it doesn't perform as well as we all hoped (including myself).
Still despite that the only other company AMD competes against is "battening down the hatches". :toast:

Why do you think nVidia hasn't released any solid specs or a final price yet? Once they see what the 290X turns out to be they'll position the 780Ti at right about the same performance and right about the same price.

jihadjoeNo worries, the people who buy this or the 290X will get their chance to complain when Maxwell comes along.

And then again with Pirate Islands...and again with Volta...

jihadjoeNo worries, the people who buy this or the 290X will get their chance to complain when Maxwell comes along.

yea probably so :laugh:

And where is the fully Dx 11.1 support? Otherwise it is the same cr@p.
BF4 comes with dx11.1 and next year some games too, why would someone buy Nv's handicap GPU?

amdftwAnd where is the fully Dx 11.1 support? Otherwise it is the same cr@p.
BF4 comes with dx11.1 and next year some games too, why would someone buy Nv's handicap GPU?

not handicapped. all but 2 of dx11.1 extensions are supported. those 2 arent required for games. therefore no ms certification.

PopcornMachineYep, they could.

Will they. No, they're just as greedy as the other guys.

Not at all its not going to be a grand now is it

SIGSEGVi doubt nvidia would do that. As bta level price suggestion for R9-290x with $499 would be no brainer. we as consumers would be happy including myself (very happy). i'm gonna buy two of R9-290x. :rockout:

yeah, bring the competition. :rockout:

It would force Nvidia to drop prices, and we all know they don't want to do that.

Either way you look at it, AMD are still behind.

[/sarcasm mode on]awwww crap just when i finally got some serious GPU power they pop out the bag a ultra 780

oh well i guess my sli of 580 wich sit between a 590 and a 780 will still hold til the next gen ... or till R9 290X pricecut :D (good point since my mobo is pcieX 3.0 compatible SLI/CFX (yeah yeah i know a i5-2400 is SB so pcieX 2.0... for the moment :shadedshu )

1.5gb is still enough (1080p ofc) 700w is enough ... lots of fake argument (not totaly fake but... aahhh whatever)

also 780Ti is a joke : "oh gosh the new R9 line is full of rename (heck so what we did the same with the 7xx) but the 290/290X is a new chip (wait didnt we do it with the 780? indeed we did cut down a titan to do it) so lets add 2 letter behind 780 add minor tweak oh no wait ... lets just OC it to make it chomp the 290 and call it a day" (im joking dont hit me ;) )

for my budget i had enough for a 760 but ended buying 2 580 15% under a 780 and 75% cheaper (ok i know ... the electricity bill will not be cheaper ahah)

btw for AM* the full enabled Titan exist : the Tesla K20X ... (no joke if a Titan still remain at 999-1200chf and they release a renamed K20X what would be the price? and would it be worth it, titan isnt worth the price technically.) take a K20 at 3499.99 eventualy wait ...no[/sarcasme mode off]

ohhh K40 GK180
K40 GPU Computing Module GK180
1 2880 288 GDDR5 384 12288 6000 3.5 235
Computing Module IEEE 754-2008 FMA capabilities

NaitoEither way you look at it, AMD are still behind.

and?

amdftwAnd where is the fully Dx 11.1 support? Otherwise it is the same cr@p.
BF4 comes with dx11.1 and next year some games too, why would someone buy Nv's handicap GPU?

and? is DX11.1 such a HUGE leap that every DX11 card will be rendered useless if they dont support the "last fancy gimmick" for BF4 and maybe some other incomming games

im neither Intel/AMD or Nvidia/AMD side but people buy what they like : blindfolded just because "ohgosh the new one is here" or smartly, cheaper, Price/perf ratio, day 1 buy is allways a bad idea ... :D

GreiverBladeand?

I think people have overlooked that, caught up in all this excitement.

Lets go back to the release of the previous generation of SKUs. AMD has a 4 month head start on Nvidia by releasing the HD 7000 series. There is speculation, that in this time, Nvidia moved their mid-tier GK104 to a high-end SKU, removing the GK110 from the lineup. This is entirely possible, because a product based on the GK110 was announced as far back as May 2012, one month after the release of the GK104 SKUs. Fast-forward to February this year. Nvidia is starting to lose some competitiveness against the HD7970 GHz Ed (and possibly due to other pressures) and decide to release the GTX TITAN (and eventually the GTX 780) and cash in on the enthusiast market.

So to sum up, AMD are only just beginning to be competitive with a 17 month old GPU. Maybe AMD should be blamed for Nvidias crazy prices? But having said that, some say AMD play a different game; price/performance.

I do hope the R9 290X is competitive in price, forcing Nvidia to cut prices, but my guess is it will retail for $800AU (if the $699 price is to be believed). Hopefully I'm wrong.

Soo, did anyone notice some of the early benchies of R9 290X showed something called "Quiet mode"?.

I wonder whether it'll make a big difference(10%?), and if NVidia aims the 780Ti to compete with the performance in quiet mode(if real), or with the R9 290X running full throttle.