HumanSmokeConversely, the $550 290X offers 4% (quiet) / 11.1% (scream) more performance than the reference 780for a 10% higher price and three fewer games (or 16% higher price w/ 2 fewer games)...and that's assuming that you could find a 290X in stock.

Nice cherry picking. Even nicer incoherent rant.
Kirk Lazarus doesn't approve.

Crap DaddyFirst, these leaks are very far from what a professional review means.

Crap DaddySupposedly Nvidia gaming performance chart comparing 780Ti and 290X (Quiet) courtesy videocardz:

img.techpowerup.org/131103/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti-gaming-performance.png

qubitI want a card that runs fast and (relatively) quiet like NVIDIA cards do at stock, with a decent driver control panel and more or less free of annoying driver bugs, especially with SLI. I'll bet the 780 Ti delivers on this in spades. Reviews will tell us for sure, so let's not argue about it. And I'll bet wizzy has already played with it and knows the answer. ;) Damn you NDA! :laugh:

Does it help if I tell you that in my opinion, all high end GPUs from either brand are stressed out enough as it is with all that heat meaning that I don't overclock them, even if the headroom is there? Therefore, getting more out of it than stock isn't something I look for in a graphics card.

EDIT: I really like the unique features that NVIDIA deliver with their graphics cards like 3D Vision, LightBoost and now G-Sync.

qubitAs long as it doesn't blow up my card, like those other drivers recently I'll be happy.

qubitI tell you, my GTX 590 runs so damned hot, even in desktop mode that I'd appreciate any reduction in power. :D

qubitIt's odd how the WHQL driver has the same version number as the beta driver.

Also, it's not on the home page of the geforce.com website, but the article links do point to the WHQL driver being published just yesterday and searching for a driver returns the same result.

I wonder if nvidia have gotten a bit confused somewhere?

qubitIt's a good card in terms of framerate and features, but I really don't like that cooler.

It's noisy, hot and ugly - nothing to recommend it. nvidia normally make really quiet and efficient coolers, so I think they've let the side down today.

If I was in the market for this card, I'd go for a non-reference model with a custom cooler without thinking twice about it.

qubitI do love a good rebrand!

/sarcasm

qubitI'm glad I haven't gotten round to installing it yet. As I've got a GTX 590 which can be easily damaged through overstress, it might be extra prudent to leave it out.

In fact, I don't overclock any of my graphics cards to avoid potentially damaging them.

SteevoBoth companies have their issues, and how is that hot noisy 790 treating you that can easily be damaged by drivers killing it?

Seriously though, the 290x was a cheaper answer to the Nvidia gouging for those who want to and like to mod their cards to get the most. I would still pay for a 290x so I could stick on my waterblock and remove the voltage limit to see what it was capable of. For much less than the green camp.

Crap DaddySupposedly Nvidia gaming performance chart comparing 780Ti and 290X (Quiet) courtesy videocardz:

img.techpowerup.org/131103/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti-gaming-performance.png

qubitYeah sure, if you want to mod the 290x with a waterblock or something go right ahead, that's proper enthusiast territory. I'd be interested to see how it improves the framerate performance and noise. :) It'll be significant whatever the actual numbers are.

harry90Not fair benchmarks amd R290x quiet mode lowers its core to 800mhz under full load to save power

harry90Even if slower R290x is a steal at $550 cheers:laugh:

ShurikNHey TPU, when are you going to test a watercooled 290X? Just to see how fast it really is. And than compare it to 780ti (when it releases).

Bjorn_Of_IcelandWell you can always mod your 780ti with water and over voltaged bios, so that is pretty much back to square one in terms of 780ti being faster vs a modded 290x.

SteevoNot close. The 290 is pulling better numbers at 200Mhz less than the Titan and with no voltage limit it will perform much faster than a chip that is already at maximim, plus the piece of silicon Nvidia is selling costs more as its significantly larger. I am not saying it will be the fastest ever, but bang for the buck only Nvidia fanboys will be buying one.

Bjorn_Of_IcelandWell you can always mod your 780ti with water and over voltaged bios, so that is pretty much back to square one in terms of 780ti being faster vs a modded 290x.

HumanSmokeMore a sound level (fan RPM) dynamic...probably why it's called "Quiet Mode" rather than "Power Saving Mode". And thisis representative of actual clocking:
img.techpowerup.org/131104/000powertune2.0.jpg

Yep, My sentiments were exactly the same. $485 for an overclocked GTX 780 with 3 AAA games added. Couldn't justify paying 20% more to get a few percentage points increase in framerate and a single game....that's if I could actually find a 290X in stock at MSRP.

harry90Not fair benchmarks amd R290x quiet mode lowers its core to 800mhz under full load to save power. Try finding benchmarks with R290x Ubermode and 780Ti stock, before you(NVidia fans) call amd cards shitty. Even if slower R290x is a steal at $550 cheers:laugh:

harry90well your article actually confirmed my claim. At quiet mode not only the fans spin slower, the clock rate is also reduced.

The Von MatricesActually, W1zzard found that "Quiet" mode uses more power than "Uber" mode in his R9 290X testing, so the conclusion is exactly the opposite. Why this is I don't know.

tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/images/power_average.gif

•Average: Crysis 2 at 1920x1080, Extreme profile, representing a typical gaming power draw. Average of all readings (12 per second) while the benchmark was rendering (no title/loading screen).