RejZoRThen how come my HD7950 is the most silent card I've ever owned? I had it clocked at 1175/7000 and it was pretty much inaudible even during gaming? Pay that extra 20 bucks and take a card with proper heatsink and not that crap blower heatsink and every card will be silent. Without exceptions.

Given that you also seem to think the reference blower is crap, what part of this did you not understand? :

HumanSmokeNow, are you going to tell me that the largest negative gleaned from reviews, users, and tech site/forum feedback WASN'T due to the reference blower shroud?
Do you not think that if AMD had put more resources into putting together a better reference cooling solution that the overall impression of the reference board - THE ONLY OPTION AT LAUNCH - might have been better from a marketing and PR standpoint ? How many people stated that they would only consider the HD 7970 once the card was available with non-reference cooling - whether air or water?

The whole point I made was that an otherwise excellent board* was let down by an ill-executed REFERENCE COOLER. What could have been a near-perfect product was deliberately sabotaged by its own manufacturer with a substandard cooler.....A point that you just AGREED WITH, but are still arguing against ?!?!- How about stepping away from the keyboard, taking a deep breath, and counting to potato.:shadedshu::shadedshu::shadedshu:

This whole point seems totally lost on you, and quite frankly I don't have any interest in further reiterating what I've already written. You're either trolling or have a poor understanding of written English - neither of which I can influence. The subject is closed as far as I'm concerned.



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HumanSmokeWhy would you release graphics cards with little of no inherent downsides from a performance perspective, with cheap-ass blowers...

Sorry for missig few words for fucks sake, it's not like world will end because of it, jesus.

Alright, chill out and be respectful. Please do not use offensive language.
It also would not hurt to stop challenging every comment/opinion made, as that is exactly what they are...
Opinions!!!

RejZoRThen how come my HD7950 is the most silent card I've ever owned? I had it clocked at 1175/7000 and it was pretty much inaudible even during gaming? Pay that extra 20 bucks and take a card with proper heatsink and not that crap blower heatsink and every card will be silent. Without exceptions.

RejZoRSorry for missig few words for fucks sake, it's not like world will end because of it, jesus.

I would cease arguing on this point as stated above if you have a good opinion on and AMD product your going to have to fight certain people as that's against the rules. The new rules state you have to make a joke on every article with a modified AMD logo on a picture to be part of the thread otherwise you spend pages arguing frivolous points.

Though the blowers are not amazing they are not the worst thing ever and honestly I have seen some of the HD 7970 variants with blowers and even left on auto they are not as loud as I feel they are made out to be though they definitely want aftermarket coolers. Although the HD 7970 GHz edition was launched later (June vs January) and not the original launch version even though some models still had the standard blower they already had aftermarket variants available at the time as well with the same clocks or more as the only major point was to bring

XzibitMaybe they plan on AIO everything from now on... It does look like Asetek with sleeves on the tubes.


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The release of this card also lines up with the Asetek announcement. Not saying AMD wont have a AIO cooler but at least with EVGA we have proof in a product.

I think Asetek/AIO in general is becoming the new thing mostly because the tech is finally available cheap enough while providing something actually worthwhile. By that I mean its reliable enough to trust that as a standard cooler to the point where you do not have to worry half of them are going to be returned for faulty pumps or otherwise. In the past the cards with AIO's I can remember mostly at least are the PNY LC GTX 580 (Both variants) and the Zotac GTX 580. The PNY was a good card (Had a pair of those) but from what I heard and saw the Zotac's were completely unreliable as most of the feedback on sites that sold them included the pump failing after only a month or so of use (Though the Zotac was a full cover type of block AIO). I think its the next step the people are making because of the ever growing needs of silence, overclocking becoming so simple, boost clock becoming so adaptive and reliant on temps (etc), and the fact cases are so water cooling ready that it makes size easier to accommodate versus having a massive tri-slot cooler or similar (dual slot massive cards).

I like it honestly, but at the same time I just think its more a pain for people that like to put there own custom coolers on (Like me and waterblocks) but as long as the costs do not skyrocket then its better in the end for everyone.

The only problem I'll have here is the miniATX case in which CPU radiator is already taking place. In theory I could place one on the exhaust, but it's gonna be tight. So, hopefully R9-380X/390X will also come with WindForce3X cooler which I think should be sufficient.

RejZoRThe only problem I'll have here is the miniATX case in which CPU radiator is already taking place. In theory I could place one on the exhaust, but it's gonna be tight. So, hopefully R9-380X/390X will also come with WindForce3X cooler which I think should be sufficient.

They will of course since not everyone wants an AIO but it might be a little bit depending before it comes out. I think the AIO is cool but the needs of a air cooler will always be there so they won't ever give that up and we will always see something air wise unless there is some dramatic change that no one can see coming. I love the windforce coolers especially the new ones as if nothing else they just look fantastic! :)

Loving my 970, but I'd happily go AMD again if this paper tiger can deliver. Now AMD and their Radeon brand are firmly considered the budget option these days... any chance I could pick this bad boy up for $300?

well, $300, may be possible, at the initial launch in market. but AMd never wants to go further in loss, as they're right now. suffering too much in the market even lesser sale due to 970/980. $300 would be ideal price for consumer end. i personally think 380x "The BAD BOY" will blast the market with price/performance ratio near or equal to Maxwell.

Purported Fiji 3DMark 11 benchmark (via Chiphell)



About the same score as a well OC'ed (water) 780 Ti

A card with that much performance would be well north of $1,000

Stock version of EVGA 780 Ti Kingpin Edition wasn't that much better then there FTW.

You would need
EVGA GTX 780 Ti kingpin edition $850 MSRP
450watts
L2N Bios
Added expense of a custom water loop $$
Hope you get a 661 base overclock

If this is even true and it comes in a stock variant from either side I feel a few wallets getting lighter.

XzibitI feel a few wallets getting lighter.

Let's hope so, it's sad to see AMD in dire straits.

Besides competition as we all know is healthy and whilst I wouldn't mind another 970, the bloody things keep going up in price.

XzibitA card with that much performance would be well north of $1,000

Stock version of EVGA 780 Ti Kingpin Edition wasn't that much better then there FTW.
You would need
EVGA GTX 780 Ti kingpin edition $850 MSRP
450watts
L2N Bios
Added expense of a custom water loop $$
Hope you get a 661 base overclock
If this is even true and it comes in a stock variant from either side I feel a few wallets getting lighter.

Or you could bang a GTX 980 into a watercooling loop for much the same score....or amp up the clocks for 8327.

Either way, you'd expect the next large die GPUs to do significantly better than the ones presently in use. Once AMD and Nvidia tune their respective top tier GPUs (yield/clock, drivers, BIOS), you should expect the present range to be left in the dust.

FluffmeisterLet's hope so, it's sad to see AMD in dire straits.
Besides competition as we all know is healthy and whilst I wouldn't mind another 970, the bloody things keep going up in price.

970's have thankfully stayed relatively static price wise here, but its a smaller market less prone to large volume sales. Some other markets are seeing Maxwell's popularity feed itself. As Barron's noted back in November:

In terms of quantifying high-end share gains and magnitude, our supply-chain conversations indicate that Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 980/970 has comprised over 80% of high-end card shipments to channel partners since mid-September.

This despite AMD's 290/290X/295X2 dropping prices and continued game bundle offerings. The GTX 970 (especially) and 980 are the new black, and arriving in time for the holiday sales just made the pervasiveness that much more apparent.

HumanSmoke970's have thankfully stayed relatively static price wise here, but its a smaller market less prone to large volume sales. Some other markets are seeing Maxwell's popularity feed itself. As Barron's noted back in November:

970 prove to be a most appropriate choice among many high end when you talk about price/performance. but i would say, nvidia charging way too low, for ultra high performnce. thats extremely encouraging towards NVIDIA.

but here in our country 970 available at high tags like MSI and GIGABYTE @55K or $550. what is really high for us. but in international market newegg/amazon its $350-$400. which is damn worthy. Whereas AMD's at cheap rate.

The Nbut here in our country 970 available at high tags like MSI and GIGABYTE @55K or $550. what is really high for us. but in international market newegg/amazon its $350-$400. which is damn worthy. Whereas AMD's at cheap rate.

Yeah, prices in New Zealand (where I am) are similarly high, mainly because of a 15% goods and services tax - not that it matters too much. Between having parts shipped direct and mail forwarding companies like MyUS, I tend to get parts at US prices or below (Just shipping to factor in).

HumanSmokeYeah, prices in New Zealand (where I am) are similarly high, mainly because of a 15% goods and services tax - not that it matters too much. Between having parts shipped direct and mail forwarding companies like MyUS, I tend to get parts at US prices or below (Just shipping to factor in).

Rightly said. Shipping expenses and customs are highly involved in the changing price of any product. here are taxes high so markets here, charge too much on a single product. after paying these taxes and duties they charge double on every product they brought in.

like if 970 cost them. let say 40K then they tagged here price 10K or 15K above there cost just to make enourmous profit outta it. they actually know the product has high in demand. but few sources do not charge extra, some resellers are providing service for cheap service. with no extra profit.

Ferrum MasterWell because I guess nVidia paid a lions share to TSMC to be his lovely puppy. It is been always like that actually... The R9 290 has approximately 20% transistors on board too, that heats up, but still reduces the performance gap at their heat cost. But hey... ATI was a Canadian company... heater during cold winter... actually a two in one :D

And actually they must sell their R9 290 no matter what, unsold silicon is a more loss for them than sold for a bargain. I bet they calculated everything as good they can.

ATI was a very innovative and technologically superior company. They've had many firsts in the industry. Hopefully AMD's new CEO gets AMD back to running the way its suppose to, lean and mean. And its restructuring bears FRUIT.

HumanSmokePurported Fiji 3DMark 11 benchmark (via Chiphell)



About the same score as a well OC'ed (water) 780 Ti

Definitely a fake, seems that it's actually CF'd 290's, so yeah not really worth $1000 and falls firmly into the clutching at straws category. :)

www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9300727

FluffmeisterDefinitely a fake, seems that it's actually CF'd 290's, so yeah not really worth $1000 and falls firmly into the clutching a straws category. :)

www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9300727

Debunked!!!
Thought it might be a little optimistic. a reference 290X scores ~4700-5000, so a 45% increase in core count would tend to put it around 7200 plus whatever increases the memory subsystem bestows assuming the clocks stay roughly equal.

Definitely not $1000, more like $600. Looking at the base core you can get two of these and achieve the same thing or faster.

XzibitDefinitely not $1000, more like $600. Looking at the base core you can get two of these and achieve the same thing or faster.

Halo parts aren't about perf/price, they're about performance. More than a few people bought the 290X at the expense of the 290, so budgetary consideration can be secondary to a lot of people. The market Fiji (and GM 200) are aimed at are those people who 1. Want the next best thing, 2. Want a benchmark queen - in which case a single card might not cut it . Combining two 290's might give you the performance of a single 380X(?), but double/triple up on the new cards and the older boards look less competitive.
From a perf/price standpoint many would likely wonder why they'd bother with buying 290's new. The market is flooded with second hand cards (which will surely be added to when Fiji drops) at even cheaper prices.

HumanSmokeHalo parts aren't about perf/price, they're about performance. More than a few people bought the 290X at the expense of the 290, so budgetary consideration can be secondary to a lot of people. The market Fiji (and GM 200) are aimed at are those people who 1. Want the next best thing, 2. Want a benchmark queen - in which case a single card might not cut it . Combining two 290's might give you the performance of a single 380X(?), but double/triple up on the new cards and the older boards look less competitive.
From a perf/price standpoint many would likely wonder why they'd bother with buying 290's new. The market is flooded with second hand cards (which will surely be added to when Fiji drops) at even cheaper prices.

Nothing new. Same thing can be said for every iteration of cards from both sides over the years.

Why even bother applying it to only one side ?

XzibitWhy even bother applying it to only one side ?

Because this is an AMD thread.
Because I replied to a post where you used AMD examples.
I also mentioned GM 200 as equally apropos as an aside.

#notrocketscience

HumanSmokeBecause this is an AMD thread.
Because I replied to a post where you used AMD examples.
I also mentioned GM 200 as equally apropos as an aside.

#notrocketscience

How cute. I always find it delightful when people over 50 discover hashtaging.

HumanSmokeDebunked!!!
Thought it might be a little optimistic. a reference 290X scores ~4700-5000, so a 45% increase in core count would tend to put it around 7200 plus whatever increases the memory subsystem bestows assuming the clocks stay roughly equal.

I'm just impressed with those GTX 980 scores you posted, and it isn't even a paper tiger.