Caring1they are the worst design I have ever come across to repair and I'm not too fond of their software either.

Care to provide some specifics instead of just making blanket statements?

Wanna replace the battery?? Nope.. You need a new logic board... Wanna upgrade RAM?? WE'LL MAKE IT HELL...

remixedcatWanna replace the battery?? Nope.. You need a new logic board... Wanna upgrade RAM?? WE'LL MAKE IT HELL...

Don't be a smart ass. Yes, the batteries are harder to replace now but they don't require replacement of the logic board. In order to make the laptops small and thin you need to solder components to the board and position components carefully. Having slots and sockets only adds to the size of the laptop. So yeah, things are going to be harder to replace for the sake of making a laptop as mobile as possible.

thing is replacing the whole system for a minor upgrade like RAM or HDD is stupid. we need more upgradeability and not less. Why do you think project ara was made? people hate replacing entire phones for a minor upgrade, specially when upgrading phones involves contract drama, instead of breaking a contract or spending 700 bucks to get a better phone (unlocked price) you just buy a new component and there you go!

upgrades should be easier in this time where the economy isn't as good, there's also a lot more eco minded people that don't want more waste, etc....

remixedcatthing is replacing the whole system for a minor upgrade like RAM or HDD is stupid. we need more upgradeability and not less. Why do you think project ara was made? people hate replacing entire phones for a minor upgrade, specially when upgrading phones involves contract drama, instead of breaking a contract or spending 700 bucks to get a better phone (unlocked price) you just buy a new component and there you go!

upgrades should be easier in this time where the economy isn't as good, there's also a lot more eco minded people that don't want more waste, etc....

Then how about you design such a small modular device? You make it sound like it's so easy to design a device that is small, reliable, and upgradable. You're living in a dream and I think you're greatly underestimating the impediments to doing what you suggest.

I think Aquinus is giving the Apple fanbuoy a new meaning :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::roll:

Prima.VeraI think Aquinus is giving the Apple fanbuoy a new meaning :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::roll:

I think I recall him saying he works for Apple. His bias is understandable if he makes his living off of Apple.

Most people are impressed by things like branding. I was out with some friends a few weeks ago and this girl sees the top of my phone poking out of my shirt pocket and asks to see it thinking it's an iphone. I hand it to her and you can see she's bummed out that it's just an LG volt.

Status symbols are a big deal for most people and they don't care if they're spending twice what something is actually worth as long as it boosts their self image and think it makes them one of the cool kids. That's mainly what Apple is, a status symbol - like a Coach bag or designer clothing. You don't buy it because it gives you the most bang for your buck. You buy it because of how it makes others perceive you - or at least the way you believe it does.

Prima.VeraI think Aquinus is giving the Apple fanbuoy a new meaning :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::roll:

Watch your language. You know damn well that posts like this are unacceptable here at TPU. I know that you know better. Not to mention, peronally insulting me doesn't help your argument. It just making your agrument look weak because you've had to resort to insulting me instead of Apple.

64KI think I recall him saying he works for Apple. His bias is understandable if he makes his living off of Apple.

I work in education. Most people know that educational institutions tend to have a hard-on for Apple products. I never said I worked for Apple, I just said I'm provided one by work. Once again, I'm looking at this from the standpoint of a user of a product, not the person buying it. I would never buy an Apple product because of the price alone, however, work (being an Apple shop which was not my choice,) means that my only option for a laptop is a Mac.

I'm not saying this is a good laptop, I'm explaining what I think Apple's justification for it is, but people seem to more more interested in calling me a fanboy then actually having an intelligible conversation about it.

twilythStatus symbols are a big deal for most people and they don't care if they're spending twice what something is actually worth as long as it boosts their self image and think it makes them one of the cool kids. That's mainly what Apple is, a status symbol - like a Coach bag or designer clothing. You don't buy it because it gives you the most bang for your buck. You buy it because of how it makes others perceive you - or at least the way you believe it does.

While I do think that Apple branding is similar to getting something like a BMW with respect to status, I think it's ignorant to ignore the fact that Apple's QA tends to be pretty good. For the last 5 years, most Apple laptops I've worked on or have used have been built pretty well. You don't just buy a BMW because it's a status symbol. You buy one because BMW builds a nice car and maybe you want a status symbol. Apple is the same way, it might be marked up, but to say that Apple doesn't build a quality (in terms of construction) device is just insane and has no basis in fact when you compare it to other laptop manufacturers.

Once again, I'm not saying Apple's pricing is good. I'm just saying why I think they released this product. You're all calling me out, but I'm the only person making a rebuttal. If all you people are going to do is post smut like this:

Prima.VeraI think Aquinus is giving the Apple fanbuoy a new meaning :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::roll:

Then maybe you need to keep your mouth shut.

I'm defending Apple because no one else will and I happen to know that Apple builds a solid product. Explain to me how the bias here isn't the opposite way around? I've used Apples, HPs, and Dells, and the HP and Dells are built nothing like the Apple products. So lets not lose sight of the fact that there is a difference in build quality and you are paying for it. However, as Twilith said, there is a status associated with it and you're definitely paying for that as well.

AquinusWhile I do think that Apple branding is similar to getting something like a BMW with respect to status, I think it's ignorant to ignore the fact that Apple's QA tends to be pretty good. For the last 5 years, most Apple laptops I've worked on or have used have been built pretty well. You don't just buy a BMW because it's a status symbol. You buy one because BMW builds a nice car and maybe you want a status symbol. Apple is the same way, it might be marked up, but to say that Apple doesn't build a quality (in terms of construction) device is just insane and has no basis in fact when you compare it to other laptop manufacturers.

Once again, I'm not saying Apple's pricing is good. I'm just saying why I think they released this product.

I don't see anyplace where I impugned Apple quality so it seems that you're reading what you want to rather than what is actually being said.

Similarly, I wouldn't impugn the quality of most high status brands. People might be stupid but as a general rule they're not complete idiots. So if they pay twice as much for something, they're not going to go back and buy that same brand again if it falls apart as quickly as something a lot cheaper.

Unfortunately the quality argument is one that is always used by marketers to get people to rationalize paying a disproportionate amount for something. My point is that were status not a major motivation for people purchasing Apple products, you wouldn't see them passing up products with better specs and lower prices. Maybe a given Apple product is of better quality than many competitors in the same performance niche. But it's a lot harder to argue that the difference in quality justifies the difference in price.

Boys and girls let's play nice, and stop calling each other names in the process.

AquinusI work in education. Most people know that educational institutions tend to have a hard-on for Apple products. I never said I worked for Apple, I just said I'm provided one by work. Once again, I'm looking at this from the standpoint of a user of a product, not the person buying it. I would never buy an Apple product because of the price alone, however, work (being an Apple shop which was not my choice,) means that my only option for a laptop is a Mac.

My bad. Apple makes a quality product and imo very nice looking products so a customer should expect to pay more for that but it's apparent to most people that Apple also charges a premium on top of that for the prestige of the Apple name and logo. It's almost an arrogance with some of their customers. Sometimes they take it to absurd levels

www.tomsguide.com/us/apple-watch-ripoff,news-20634.html

64KMy bad. Apple makes a quality product and imo very nice looking products so a customer should expect to pay more for that but it's apparent to most people that Apple also charges a premium on top of that for the prestige of the Apple name and logo. It's almost an arrogance with some of their customers. Sometimes they take it to absurd levels

www.tomsguide.com/us/apple-watch-ripoff,news-20634.html

Exactly. Take the Apple watch for example. The only reason to offer a model that costs between $10k and 17k is to appeal to those Apple fans that want to advertise to the world 'hey, I can afford a $10k watch.' You're not even getting your traditional watch snobs here because they're not going touch a product that's going to be obsolete in a few years. The people that buy a Patek Philippe aren't going to touch something like this. Apple is obviously pandering to a very specific market segment.

BTW, in my previous post I wasn't calling Apple lovers stupid, I was talking about people in general when it comes to tech. Most people buy tech based on branding and reputation, not based on specs or performance. That obviously doesn't apply to the average TPU user though.

I should also add that some people just like Apple software and their walled garden approach to their ecosystem. That's cool. Personally I don't understand it, but I do try not to judge.