Monday, June 22nd 2015

AMD "Fiji" Block Diagram Revealed, Runs Cool and Quiet

AMD's upcoming flagship GPU silicon, codenamed "Fiji," which is breaking ground on new technologies, such as HBM, memory-on-package, a specialized substrate layer that connects the GPU with it, called Interposer; features a hefty feature-set. More on the "Fiji" package and its memory implementation, in our older article. Its block diagram (manufacturer-drawn graphic showing the GPU's component hierarchy), reveals a scaling up, of the company's high-end GPU launches over the past few years.

"Fiji" retains the quad Shader Engine layout of "Hawaii," but packs 16 GCN Compute Units (CUs), per Shader Engine (compared to 11 CUs per engine on Hawaii). This works out to a stream processor count of 4,096. Fiji is expected to feature a newer version of the Graphics CoreNext architecture than "Hawaii." The TMU count is proportionately increased, to 256 (compared to 176 on "Hawaii"). AMD doesn't appear to have increased the ROP count, which is still at 64. The most significant change, however, is its 4096-bit HBM memory interface, compared to 512-bit GDDR5 on "Hawaii."
At its given clock speeds, of up to 1050 MHz core, with 500 MHz memory (512 GB/s bandwidth), on the upcoming Radeon R9 Fury X graphics card, "Fiji" offers a GPU compute throughput of 8.6 TFLOP/s, which is greater than the 7 TFLOP/s rated for NVIDIA's GeForce GTX Titan X. The reference board may draw power from a pair of 8-pin PCIe power connectors, but let that not scare you. Its typical board power is rated at 275W, just 25W more than the GTX Titan X, for 22% higher SPFP throughput (the two companies may use different methods to arrive at those numbers).

AMD claims that the reference cooling solution will pay heavy dividends in terms of temperatures and noise. In a typical gaming scenario, the temperatures will be around 50°C, and noise output under 32 dB. To put these into perspective, the reference NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan X, sees its load temperatures reach 84°C, and its fan puts out 45 dB, in our testing. The cooling solution is confirmed to feature a Nidec-Servo made 120 mm fan. As with all flagship graphics cards over the past few generations, Radeon R9 Fury X will feature dual-BIOS, and ZeroCore (which powers down the GPU when the display-head is idling, and completely powers down non-primary GPUs in CrossFire setups, unless 3D loads warrant the driver to power them back up).

The Radeon R9 Fury X will be priced at US $649.99, and will be generally available in the next 3 or so weeks.
Source: Hispazone
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73 Comments on AMD "Fiji" Block Diagram Revealed, Runs Cool and Quiet

#51
xenocide
Although to be honest, I doubt he would be able to say if he had one because of NDA's.
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#52
Relayer
So, let's see. The biggest complaints so far are...

It's water cooled
No HDMI 2.0
4GB HBM1

Is that it? I know I could throw in driver support, but as hard as it is to justify the other "issues" considering it hasn't even been released yet, it's really hard to complain about drivers. I can't even keep a straight face with the others.
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#53
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
RelayerSo, let's see. The biggest complaints so far are...

It's water cooled
No HDMI 2.0
4GB HBM1
No Hello Kitty Edition.
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#54
Xzibit
240mm AIO CLC for 95w CPUs are a must but if someone tries to sell me a 120mm AIO CLC with a 200w GPU I will be FURY X and complain every chance I get.

/Sarcasm
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#55
Caring1
btarunrNo Hello Kitty Edition.
Wanna buy a sticker? :laugh:
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#56
GreiverBlade
FrustratedGarrett

Don't give these performance/watt charts when a couple of Gameworks/Nvidia-poisoned games can swing things to their side by a great deal. Here's a chart of load power consumption. Keep in mind that on average your graphics card is under full load less than 20% of the day.
If you look at the chart, you'll see that TitanX consumes about the same as the 290X while being ~40ish% faster.

I personally wouldn't care about 40% more power under load for the same performance if the product is considerably cheaper. Again, an extra $10 - $15 for power bills in a one year period isn't much to talk about.
at last someone who realize a AMD card will not make a huge difference on a yearly electricity bill ... altho nividia did reduce the power needed for maxwell and it's what you're point ... but ahaha you also point that AMD did reduce the power needed and not from a generation to another but on the same chip generation, aka Hawaii/Grenada the reduction is 28w while the 780Ti/980Ti reduction is 12w :D ok the performance jump is totally not the same tho :laugh:

but it's not the 3xx line that we want here (after all i have a 390 since 1 yrs and a half now ... woops 290 sorry) but Fiji, so what will the the ratio watt to performance (well more interested in performance summary than in consumption )
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#57
mroofie
btarunrThat's just a render. Production cards have it the right way.



Hahahahah that CX PSU :roll:
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#58
xenocide
GreiverBladeat last someone who realize a AMD card will not make a huge difference on a yearly electricity bill
Those numbers are calculated, not measured. W1zz actually measures the draw in real time and has an intense methodology that's more than plugging your computer into a cheap meter and guessing. Someone earlier pointed out why that chart is next to useless.
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#59
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
xenocideThose numbers are calculated, not measured. W1zz actually measures the draw in real time and has an intense methodology that's more than plugging your computer into a cheap meter and guessing. Someone earlier pointed out why that chart is next to useless.
I did in this post.
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#60
wiak
AssimilatorMore AMD PR spin. If Fury didn't need water cooling, it wouldn't have it. Water cooling makes the product more expensive and margins lower.

But as always, game benchmarks and independent reviews will tell the truth. I wonder if they fixed the idle and BluRay playback power leakage...
You forgot that this is the top card meant for "geeks like us" until Fury X2 arrives in the fall. The other people will chose the Fury or the Nano ;)
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#61
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
AquinusThen you have @W1zzard who has gone through painsteaking work


I'm just amazed what he used to do, can't imagine the stuff he goes through now.
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#62
GreiverBlade
xenocideThose numbers are calculated, not measured. W1zz actually measures the draw in real time and has an intense methodology that's more than plugging your computer into a cheap meter and guessing. Someone earlier pointed out why that chart is next to useless.
yeah alright, indeed the number in typical load are lower than that chart :roll: which is even better ahaha

in fact i didn't really care about the chart posted (i usually read my reviews on TPU only ... )
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#63
thesmokingman
Man, that is the best implementation of AIO cooling I have ever seen, it's literally a fullcover setup. It takes balls to do that.
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#64
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
thesmokingmanMan, that is the best implementation of AIO cooling I have ever seen, it's literally a fullcover setup. It takes balls to do that.
Just because the shrowd is full cover doesn't mean the AIO pump and block part is full cover.
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#65
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
I like the fact that the GPU is a full power of 2 design and isn't the lopsided affair that we usually see on high end graphics cards ie 384-bit bus, 6GB RAM etc. This maxes out its performance.
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#66
thesmokingman
MxPhenom 216Just because the shrowd is full cover doesn't mean the AIO pump and block part is full cover.
??

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#67
GreiverBlade
thesmokingman??

interesting block configuration :eek:
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#68
thesmokingman
It is very cool. For a single gpu setup, there is literally no need to ever upgrade it from stock. 99% of AIO aftermarket units/setups I've seen have always ignored the vrm cooling, but this nails it from an OEM perspective eliminating the disadvantages of an AIO. I only wish the tubes were terminated in a way that you could put fittings on w/o having to resort to cutting the tubes but that is asking a lot.
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#69
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
thesmokingmanIt is very cool. For a single gpu setup, there is literally no need to ever upgrade it from stock. 99% of AIO aftermarket units/setups I've seen have always ignored the vrm cooling, but this nails it from an OEM perspective eliminating the disadvantages of an AIO. I only wish the tubes were terminated in a way that you could put fittings on w/o having to resort to cutting the tubes but that is asking a lot.
So your saying if you got this card, and already have a water cooling loop and maybe you wanted to add GPU to it or you are replacing a GPU that was already there, you would leave the AIO? Rather than get a normal waterblock and integrate it into your water cooling system?
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#70
Vlada011
Yes card is beautiful but they should used normal tubes without sleeve as CORSAIR use on their coolers or some nice tubes as Hybrid.
This sleeve over look very cheap. But card look great. And you see that card was very cheap to build. It's not possible cheap price and fine product.
I think more people will decide for version with air cooling cheaper for 100$ and install water block. But I think other solution will show up.

What will AMD to do with 4GB. I will rather on TITAN X Superclocked.
If EVGA GTX980Ti Superclocked 100MHz higher clock than reference is faster than TITAN X, than TITAN X Superclocked 130MHz faster than other TITAN X is probably even better.
And off course no fps drops in games as Witcher 3, Batman and others with PhysX support.
AMD will stay silent when people start to complain on fps drops because low memory can't process all details and cause much lower fps on some moments.
Fiji is card only for someone who want to play on 1920x1080 and have plan to change graphic immediately when Fiji with 8GB show up, same as R9-290X...
Even for 1440p that's not nice option.
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#71
mirakul
Vlada011Yes card is beautiful but they should used normal tubes without sleeve as CORSAIR use on their coolers or some nice tubes as Hybrid.
This sleeve over look very cheap. But card look great. And you see that card was very cheap to build. It's not possible cheap price and fine product.
I think more people will decide for version with air cooling cheaper for 100$ and install water block. But I think other solution will show up.

What will AMD to do with 4GB. I will rather on TITAN X Superclocked.
If EVGA GTX980Ti Superclocked 100MHz higher clock than reference is faster than TITAN X, than TITAN X Superclocked 130MHz faster than other TITAN X is probably even better.
And off course no fps drops in games as Witcher 3, Batman and others with PhysX support.
AMD will stay silent when people start to complain on fps drops because low memory can't process all details and cause much lower fps on some moments.
Fiji is card only for someone who want to play on 1920x1080 and have plan to change graphic immediately when Fiji with 8GB show up, same as R9-290X...
Even for 1440p that's not nice option.
People already bought this card and ran it at 4K without any problem. VRAM never reached 4GB in SoM at 4K, so the driver team of AMD does know how to use 4GB of HBM as effectively as 6GB of GDDR5.
forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/hardware-clinic-2/%5Bgpu-review%5D-sapphire-amd-r9-fury-x-rise-5087633.html

And plz keep your opinions about Gimpworks and Physi.icK titles for yourself.
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#72
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
GreiverBladeinteresting block configuration :eek:
Simple configuration, I'm not sure about interesting. The copper pipe is attached to the VRMs as they should be cooled like everything else and the block/pump covers the rest of the GPU which now includes memory. It's actually very straightforward and simple.
mirakulPeople already bought this card and ran it at 4K without any problem. VRAM never reached 4GB in SoM at 4K, so the driver team of AMD does know how to use 4GB of HBM as effectively as 6GB of GDDR5.
forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/hardware-clinic-2/[gpu-review]-sapphire-amd-r9-fury-x-rise-5087633.html
If you're not utilizing 4GB then you're definitely not utilizing more than that on a 6GB card. I fail to understand your logic here. I would call that a false equivalency.
mirakulAnd plz keep your opinions about Gimpworks and Physi.icK titles for yourself.
Keep your attitude to yourself...
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#73
thesmokingman
MxPhenom 216So your saying if you got this card, and already have a water cooling loop and maybe you wanted to add GPU to it or you are replacing a GPU that was already there, you would leave the AIO? Rather than get a normal waterblock and integrate it into your water cooling system?
Maybe if the tubes were terminated so that I wouldn't void the whole card I would try it. The block seems to work pretty good from reviews and I'd assume with a lot more rad surface and head pressure from a full loop, the stock AIO would actually work decently. Obviously it's not going to match a fullcover but it doesn't look to be junk either.
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