that price is quite a bit aggresive.

285 refresh/brand?

I hope no more than 250 € in Europe.

Edit: After reading the review, i think i will buy a 380 and OC it. I wont pay 50 € more for just a 8% increase in 1080p.

marsey99285 refresh/brand?

No, this one has all the SP.

Finally a full 7970 refresh.

marsey99285 refresh/brand?

No, that was the 380

Only a 10% performance boost over R9 380. www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/23.html

For that performance, $229 isn't aggressive. There is a still a pretty big jump in performance (~35-40%) from this to a R9 390 or GTX 970.

rruffOnly a 10% performance boost over R9 380. www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/23.html

For that performance, $229 isn't aggressive. There is a still a pretty big jump in performance (~35-40%) from this to a R9 390 or GTX 970.

But, take into account all GTX 960's are going to 4GB per Nvidia. 4GB models are hovering in the $215 to $225 range.

Since this soundly whips the 960 and sends it scurrying home, it's a price well worth paying...for me at least.

**And before anyone jumps at me, look what all my GPU's are, so I'm definately being fair.

$229 R9 290
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161459&cm_re=R9_290-_-14-161-459-_-Product

I'll admit that the pricing is good, and the performance is very good.


My real question is who's buying? It isn't the people who know that the massive enhancements of Pascal/Arctic Islands are coming. It definitely isn't the upgrade enthusiast, as the Nvidia vs. AMD debate seems to have largely blown itself out with the Fury. The remaining market is people with a bit of money to spend, but severely disappointed with their current performance because a recently released game has maxed out their current card.

I just see this as showing up late to a party. You might have brought an excellent gift, but half of the guests are already gone and the thunder that you should have had just can't compensate for your tardiness.

lilhasselhofferThe remaining market is people with a bit of money to spend, but severely disappointed with their current performance because a recently released game has maxed out their current card.

You managed to hit my market segment exactly. GTX 760 in project PC needs replacing badly, and have been dissatisfied with any current replacements, yet am aware of what is upcoming from each manufacturer and unwilling to wait.

rtwjunkieYou managed to hit my market segment exactly. GTX 760 in project PC needs replacing badly, and have been dissatisfied with any current replacements, yet am aware of what is upcoming from each manufacturer and unwilling to wait.

My concern is how many people like you are out there? I don't mean to imply that the market segment doesn't exist, only that it's so small now because they're too late to capitalize on people who were willing to pay a decent amount of money for a definite upgrade. The 960 and 370 aren't bad cards, and they've already been available for a while. If you'd just spent $170 on an upgrade you'd probably not be able to justify another $220 for the 380.


I appreciate the offering, I just wish they had been much earlier with it. The cheap bastard in me still looks at a 6970 and just shrugs. Yeah, the 380 would be a great improvement, but 8-10 months of better gaming wouldn't be awesome enough to justify blowing that quantity of money. 4 months ago it would have been different. Maybe I'm losing objectivity, but it feels like a good card that won't find a huge market. That's a shame.

Just because a new architecture is coming out, doesn't mean the update will trickle down to mid range and lower cards at launch, the launch in the various range have no coincided with the other that I can remember. The mid/low tend get re-branded or launched (in case of a new architecture) 6+ months after a new architecture is released at the high end. The 750Ti and R9 285 is the first time I can remember where they started out in the mid-range, maybe this will be the way of the future?

btarunrAMD announced the Radeon R9 380X graphics card. Positioned between the Radeon R9 380 and the R9 390, this card starts at US $229, and takes advantage of a huge gap in NVIDIA's lineup, between the GeForce GTX 960 ($190) and the GTX 970 ($319). Based on the 28 nm "Antigua" ("Tonga") silicon, this SKU features the full complement of the chip's 32 Graphics CoreNext (GCN) compute units, amounting to 2,048 stream processors. It also features 128 TMUs, 32 ROPs, and a 256-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface, holding 4 GB of memory. The core is clocked at 970 MHz, and the memory at 5.70 GHz (GDDR5-effective), amounting to a memory bandwidth of 182 GB/s.

A full Tonga release,aplause for another Rebrand GPU 285(2048 Shaders,among with 32ROPs/128 TMUs)

Chaitanyathat price is quite a bit aggresive.

Aggressively expensive, right?

ASOTA full Tonga release,aplause for another Rebrand GPU 285(2048 Shaders,among with 32ROPs/128 TMUs)

Is the gtx970 a rebranded 980? The full Tonga core was never available to the desktop pc market, the 285 was a cut down version of the same core.

uuuaaaaaaIs the gtx970 a rebranded 980? The full Tonga core was never available to the desktop pc market, the 285 was a cut down version of the same core.

The 285 Tonga GPU has 1792 Shaders/32 ROPs/112 TMUs (some hidden shaders and tmu's as u see)

The 380/X wich is Tonga(Antigua) has 2048 Shaders/32 ROPs/128 TMUs

Seem's just like previous gen.like 7950/280 and 7970/280X,where 7950 is basicaly a Tahiti.

ASOTThe 285 Tonga GPU has 1792 Shaders/32 ROPs/112 TMUs (some hidden shaders and tmu's as u see)

The 380/X wich is Tonga(Antigua) has 2048 Shaders/32 ROPs/128 TMUs

Seem's just like previous gen.like 7950/280 and 7970/280X,where 7950 is basicaly a Tahiti.

My point is: There was never a previously released fully enabled Tonga (and still isn't, since it has a 384 bit bus) so this is not a rebrand. The 280 is a rebranded 7950, but the 280x cannot be considered a rebranded 7950...

uuuaaaaaaMy point is: There was never a previously released fully enabled Tonga (and still isn't, since it has a 384 bit bus) so this is not a rebrand. The 280 is a rebranded 7950, but the 280x cannot be considered a rebranded 7950...

The 285 Tonga has 256 bus,while the 380/X also 256.
Yes not full release,but 380X will have also 256 bit interface,although is better than 285 and 280X by tiny..

rtwjunkieBut, take into account all GTX 960's are going to 4GB per Nvidia. 4GB models are hovering in the $215 to $225 range.

Since this soundly whips the 960 and sends it scurrying home, it's a price well worth paying...for me at least.

When did Nvidia say all 960s are going to be 4GB?

The 380x beats the 960, but by very little. Comparing pseudo base clocks, the 380x is 14% ahead (note the listing for the 960 in this test is incorrect. look at previous tests). I just checked all 6 of TPU's 960 tests, and on average they OC to a performance level that is 20% above base. The 280x Strix in this article OC'd to 14% above, which seems typical of AMD cards lately. They push them closer to their max out the door, while the Maxwell cards OC well above base clocks. So in real life the 380x is about ~7% faster.

rruffWhen did Nvidia say all 960s are going to be 4GB?

I'm going to have to find it. Frankly, I was surprised btarunner didn't put it out.

m0nt3$229 R9 290
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161459&cm_re=R9_290-_-14-161-459-_-Product

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rruffWhen did Nvidia say all 960s are going to be 4GB?

The 380x beats the 960, but by very little. Comparing pseudo base clocks, the 380x is 14% ahead (note the listing for the 960 in this test is incorrect. look at previous tests). I just checked all 6 of TPU's 960 tests, and on average they OC to a performance level that is 20% above base. The 280x Strix in this article OC'd to 14% above, which seems typical of AMD cards lately. They push them closer to their max out the door, while the Maxwell cards OC well above base clocks. So in real life the 380x is about ~7% faster.

I'm going to retract my statement temporarily, since the only thing I can find right now is a wccftech article claiming they know. I'm certain that's not where I saw it, but since it's them, I can't use that for evidence.

As to your test numbers, I'm pretty sure W1zzard's tests show a much greater than 7% difference between GTX 960 and R9 380X. But, you're welcome to wrap the numbers up whichever way you want to make the 960 look good. I agree, it DID look good, until it finally got decent competition.

rtwjunkieAs to your test numbers, I'm pretty sure W1zzard's tests show a much greater than 7% difference between GTX 960 and R9 380X. But, you're welcome to wrap the numbers up whichever way you want to make the 960 look good. I agree, it DID look good, until it finally got decent competition.

I'm using his test numbers, but the listing for the base 960 in this 280x test is incorrect. It's a typo or something. Looking at previous charts for 1080p, base vs base, the 280x was 15% above the 960. The 380x is just below the 280x, making it a 13% delta. The 960s on average OC 20% over base, and this 280x OC'd to 14% over base. So after you OC both of them the difference is 7%. No rocket surgery or smoke and mirrors.

Those were all 2GB 960s also, BTW.

960 is 100%
380x is something like 113% of 960
Oc'ed 960 is 120%
OC'ed 380x by 14% is 128.82% of 960
Delta is 8.82%

I call IT math not a rocet science

gkj7607960 is 100%
380x is something like 113% of 960
Oc'ed 960 is 120%
OC'ed 380x by 14% is 128.82% of 960
Delta is 8.82%

I call IT math not a rocket science

guess i'm not the only one that caught that mad science :p