MoofachukaNVIDIA's jelly they're making chips for AMD.... shots fired, and receives an arrow in the knee...

LOL, businesses don't get jealous. You're attributing human emotion to businesses. I've run a business. ALL decisions are made rationally and towards the end goal of profit.

rtwjunkieYou were the one who snidely put down Nvidia for answering only to shareholders, as if they are the only one, and implying Samsung are saints. So apparently not so obvious to you. :rolleyes:

All companies answer to their shareholders and try to bring profits to their investments. The question is, how far will a company go and how much will favor it's shareholders at the expense of their customers.
As for Samsung in the case of their dispute with Nvidia, they do look much better than Nvidia does. This is boring, to have to write again what you conveniently ignore in my posts, to create a black and white situation that suits you in your efforts to make me look bad. But let me repeat here what I wrote in the first place. Nvidia starts to threaten everyone who creates GPUs, starting from Samsung, with 7 patents that end up ALL invalid. On the other hand Valid patents, Samsung chooses to left them on the shelve collecting dust, based on Nvidia's own words.

rtwjunkieLOL, businesses don't get jealous. You're attributing human emotion to businesses. I've run a business. ALL decisions are made rationally and towards the end goal of profit.

:P

A company that goes this far to profit is not an ordinary company. The underhanded tactics they use to "make profit" are excused by "responding to their shareholders". This is the same company that writes some code for some effects, compiles it, and sells the compiled code to game developers. Star Wars Battlefront, a game that doesn't use any proprietary Nvidia "effects", has better visuals and more realistic physics than any game that does.

They can make more money by improving video games. 99% of games on Steam are unplayable. They have mediocre visuals, crappy physics, and dumb AI. These games are boring!

G33k2Fr34k99% of games on Steam are unplayable

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Over 140 games on Steam platform alone....and they all play, and many that were made to look amazing do look amazing. Not sure where this is coming from.

As to Nvidia "going this far to profit", well then you've not been looking at other major companies either. As was pointed out extensively in here, Samsung is not a saint either. Go read those cases.

A group of people (@HumanSmoke already used the explicit way to call them, so I try to be polite) always says "Oh please, you all don't want AMD to get bankrupt, we need them for competition" when AMD got into trouble AND the same group of people will also say "Go eat sh*t and go bankrupt NVIDIA!! You deserve this!!!" when NVIDIA got into trouble.

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Over 140 games on Steam platform alone....and they all play, and many that were made to look amazing do look amazing. Not sure where this is coming from.

As to Nvidia "going this far to profit", well then you've not been looking at other major companies either. As was pointed out extensively in here, Samsung is not a saint either. Go read those cases.

Battle Front looks considerably better than any game I've played so far, but it suffers from the same limitations as other games when it comes to how interactive and engaging the virtual environment is. The level of engagement in these games are primarily the same. Things have barely changed since the Original Half Life Game from 15 years ago. We have the same physic simulation in games, give or take a few scripted effects.

What Nvidia did and has been doing is beyond despicable. I'm not aware of any company that has gone this far.

G33k2Fr34kI'm not aware of any company that has gone this far.

Then like I said already you don't read much business news, and refused to read the stories earlier in the thread about how Samsung ruthlessly became the giant it is in Korea.

HumanSmokeJust goes to show that the mere mention of a name gets the Pavlovian response - kind of like anyone mentioning Tottenham Hotspur to me in a context not containing an insult.
Samsung are at the pinnacle of disgusting business behavior (their latest $157m slap on the hand won't even ruffle the account books), but they have some serious rivals in Asia that make Intel's past shenanigans look like kindergarten antics.

They will definitely be thinking twice next time they decide to initiate litigation, that's for sure! I guess we'll find out next year what that particular roll of the dice ends up costing them. Sounds like one of the three patents (one likely tossed, one due to expire) will have some relevance if the judgement goes against them.

Hey, leave my Spurs alone. :p They are doing okayish this year.

Friendly reminder - This is what happens when smaller evil meets bigger evil. Smaller evil gets owned.

Oh the irony surrounding this thread!

Well, that's what they get for picking a fight with someone that big more than happy to return fire. Not like this will be that big of a deal in the long run anyway so its just a lesson to them. Oh well, going to be interesting what happens after this.

"Battle Front looks considerably better than any game I've played so far, but it suffers from the same limitations as other games when it comes to how interactive and engaging the virtual environment is."

I dont care about the whole morality of corporations and lawsuits and stuff, everyone is an asshole nowadays; but what G33k said is the most correct thing. Like what the actual fuck?? The technology has improved drastically,
visuals are amazing, but you can't do jack shit in games. The environment is like a museum, looks nice, cant touch or interact.

Yeah okay some individual games have more interactivity than others but you'd thing with faster processing, more RAM, etc etc we would have a lot more games that are both - visually stunning and are intractable.

IvanP91vThe technology has improved drastically,
visuals are amazing, but you can't do jack shit in games. The environment is like a museum, looks nice, cant touch or interact.

And how is this an Nvidia or even AMD thing? What you can or can't do in a game is limited to the game engine used. Game engines are used by studios to make games. Some develop their own, and some use a licensed engine.

rtwjunkieAnd how is this an Nvidia or even AMD thing? What you can or can't do in a game is limited to the game engine used. Game engines are used by studios to make games. Some develop their own, and some use a licensed engine.

I think we've already established that absolutely everything is Nvidia's fault. The price fixing, the patent lawsuits, gameworks and everything in between.

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OT: Nothing at all will happen to Nvidia, they're gonna keep making cards, overcharging for them and Im gonna keep buying them because by pure coincidence games I play rely on Nvidia's proprietary technologies

They started this whole stupid lawsuit thing because thats all coroporations do nowadays. Instead of R&D, and finding some game-changing technology all corporations feel like doing is suing everyone for everything.
And Nvidia wanted to be part of the whole lawsuit thing because thats what everyone doing. If you aint suing someone and getting rekt, you're out of the loop!

Who isn't suing someone today? Who isn't getting an ITC ban? Who isn't getting a slap on the wrist? What happened to improving hardware? (Figured cause we're stuck on 28nm cause there is no room to grow atm)

IvanP91vFigured cause we're stuck on 28nm cause there is no room to grow atm)

You're obviously very late to the party and have just decided it's easier to get on the hate corporations train. Both sides have been stuck at 28nm for so long because TSMC has been unable to go smaller...lots of fab problems, which haven't been solved until recently.

And your first paragraph just loudly proclaims to the world that what I told you about game engines went right over your head. Game engines, of which there are quite a few of, not Nvidia, determines what can and can't be done in a game.

FrickAnyway, part deux: How would this work, if they're not allowed to sell stuff for a spell? The stores already have the cards, can they sell them, or is it just Nvidia who can't sell chips anymore? What about the OEM's?

It actually doesn't sound like it affects cards. From the source article (and some of the legalese-to-English translations I've read so far)

The case decided Tuesday involves a retaliatory case filed by Samsung, which claimed that Nvidia’s Shield tablet computers infringed three patents related to how the chips are made.

By the sounds of it, the age of the patents -one expires next year, one in 2017, and the fact that they may be considered fundamental technology common to across the industry might work against Samsung (Nvidia's patent claims were partially dismissed on the same basis).

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HumanSmokeIt actually doesn't sound like it affects cards. From the source article (and some of the legalese-to-English translations I've read so far)


By the sounds of it, the age of the patents -one expires next year, one in 2017, and the fact that they may be considered fundamental technology common to across the industry might work against Samsung (Nvidia's patent claims were partially dismissed on the same basis).

In Nvidias case the judge dismissed the patent before it went to the commission for final judgement. Here the Judge did no such thing.

XzibitIn Nvidias case the judge dismissed the patent before it went to the commission for final judgement. Here the Judge did no so such thing.

It makes no difference where at what point the ruling arrives since I didn't specify anything of a sort

Of the three patents that Nvidia claims Qualcomm and Samsung violated, two were ruled non-infringing, while the third was ruled invalid under the so-called “obviousness” test..[ ]... That patent covers “shadow mapping while rendering a primitive in a graphics pipeline.” Pender’s decision found that while Adreno, PowerVR, and Mali GPUs violate claims 23 and 24 of the ‘372 patent, the patent is invalid because the method described in Claims 23 and 24 isn’t novel.[ ]...Pender’s ruling suggests that Nvidia’s construed patent claims were too broad to be valid

Ruling: Patent valid but considered fundamental technology (prior art)

HumanSmokeIt makes no difference where at what point the ruling arrives since I didn't specify anything of a sort

Ruling: Patent valid but considered fundamental technology

The ruling has to come from a Judge then submitted for final review by the commission which is the point this is at. If anything was going to be tossed out it would have been by this point.

One of my ancestors created the wheel and another figured out how to make fire..
You all know what that means?
It means I'm suing all y'all.

HumanSmoke

Xzibit

HumanSmokeBy the sounds of it, the age of the patents -one expires next year, one in 2017, and the fact that they may be considered fundamental technology common to across the industry might work against Samsung (Nvidia's patent claims were partially dismissed on the same basis).

In Nvidias case the judge dismissed the patent before it went to the commission for final judgement. Here the Judge did no such thing.

Ruling: Patent valid but considered fundamental technology (prior art)

So your first trolling attempt failed, since all I claimed was that Nvidia's patent claim was partially vacated due to patent falling under a fundamental technology classification - which I just proved to be the case, and now you're going to tell me you're an expert on patent law even though you got your last legal interpretation completely wrong.....

XzibitThe ruling has to come from a Judge then submitted for final review by the commission which is the point this is at. If anything was going to be tossed out it would have been by this point.

For the record, I stated "they may be considered fundamental technology", because people with a better understanding of technology patents and the laws surrounding them have couched their words in the same manner. You want to play Perry Mason, be my guest - I've got better things to do over the holidays.

jmcslobOne of my ancestors created the wheel and another figured out how to make fire..
You all know what that means?
It means I'm suing all y'all.

Good luck. I think one of my ancestors invented written language - better compose your litigation brief entirely out of pictures just to be on the safe side! ;)

rtwjunkieAnd your first paragraph just loudly proclaims to the world that what I told you about game engines went right over your head.

Because I was trolling and i don't care.

And yes, I do hate corporations for suing each other. They need to learn to play nice, suing each other isn't helping anyone at all.

All this patent litigation isn't necessary and wastes human and financial resources.

I'm glad this is the result because the world doesn't need more corporations suing each other.

Hopefully the negative result of the lawsuit will mean less lawsuits... oh who am I kidding, corporations and CEOs are all little crying babies.

All I want is 16/14nm GPUs, not lawsuits.

HumanSmokeSo your first trolling attempt failed, since all I claimed was that Nvidia's patent claim was partially vacated due to patent falling under a fundamental technology classification - which I just proved to be the case, and now you're going to tell me you're an expert on patent law even though you got your last legal interpretation completely wrong.....

For the record, I stated "they may be considered fundamental technology", because people with a better understanding of technology patents and the laws surrounding them have couched their words in the same manner. You want to play Perry Mason, be my guest - I've got better things to do over the holidays.

I see your in the CHRIST-Mas spirit. I'm not the one that seems to be going out of his way to miss-interpret what a Judge says.

NVIDIA won't get banned. If it goes against them in the end they'll just pay Samsung off.