I expected better from TPU. The article needs to be updated and the title changed. It's been confirmed that this claim is false. There is enough misinformation out there as is.

It's NOT microsoft's doing. Lenovo failed to provide a linux driver for the new SSD RAID setup, and/or an option in the UEFI to turn it off and switch to AHCI.

ManofGodYeah! After all, why the hell should people be able to put food on the table and be paid for the work! The nerve of some people! /s ;) :D

I don't see Microsoft giving anything back just amassing money and since they are a public company they have to. If they were non-profit then I would definetly support them. Because they want bigger profit you have weird things like multiple desktop editions which is just too much choice, and server editions are even worse not counting the licensing per core rather than socket in Server 2016.

ssdproSelf-loathing. Every OS has its positives and negatives. Mac OS hinders productivity so badly it is relegated to internet browsing and graphic design-type jobs. Windows 10 is productivity perfected but has become a nanny OS. Linux (I'll speak for Ubuntu and Fedora) is always just a bit behind. It is slow to support new hardware properly, slow to get widespread software usability. Those Linux guys just hate seeing a Windows user using the newest hardware and accomplishing what they do more quickly. I tried Ubuntu years ago, couldn't adapt (we'll just say that is my fault for the sake of argument). I tried Fedora as recently last spring - I spent all of my time reading forums and fixing problems and not getting work done.

Pretty sums up where I stand. Just can't help but be nonplussed by the "all-I-do is internet" camp that seem like they have to hate on others in order to justify their purchase/use of product,and it seems they the more they spend on getting less the more they have to hate.

GigglesI don't see Microsoft giving anything back just amassing money and since they are a public company they have to. If they were non-profit then I would definetly support them. Because they want bigger profit you have weird things like multiple desktop editions which is just too much choice, and server editions are even worse not counting the licensing per core rather than socket in Server 2016.

You seem to miss the point: They pay their employees.

GigglesI don't see Microsoft giving anything back just amassing money and since they are a public company they have to. If they were non-profit then I would definetly support them. Because they want bigger profit you have weird things like multiple desktop editions which is just too much choice, and server editions are even worse not counting the licensing per core rather than socket in Server 2016.

Depends on how you want to look at it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_Pledge

eddmanI expected better from TPU. The article needs to be updated and the title changed. It's been confirmed that this claim is false. There is enough misinformation out there as is.

I feel you. I'd expect this from a random user but not the news editor. Anyway I think I got the solution:


:D I kid, I kid.

Seriously though, why hasn't the post been amended?

R-T-BYou seem to miss the point: They pay their employees.

Non-profits can use part of their revenue to pay for salaries but everything else should go back to the community, which would be hiring more developers?

bugDepends on how you want to look at it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_Pledge

They are not making the right kind of change, if they wanted to change the world they should be doing more direct kind of change, for example all these individuals could fund a non-profit which would make quality electronic products where the company itself would set the prices which would only cover all the production costs and employee wages, that way people could get their hands on supported, quality, affordable products. But if such a company grew then it would become a pain in the neck for all the companies that these people are involved in. Supporting education won't change the fact that we live in capitalistic world. Continuous lobbying and ads about the world problems also wouldn't hurt in this irrational world.

You're arguing more for a utopian vision than a realistic one.

AssimilatorOh my god this is such disgusting FUD from TPU.

Microsoft is not blocking anything or anyone. It's Lenovo who have chosen to use a proprietary NVMe RAID controller and only write a Windows driver for it. If you want a Linux driver, yell at Lenovo to write one, or get off your fat ass and write one yourself (isn't that what open source is all about?).

But nope, Linux fanboys would rather blame Microsoft (spelled with a dollar sign because that's edgy and cool) because that's easier than actually trying to understand what's actually going on, and also because they are subhuman and/or certifiably retarded. As some of the posters in this thread have demonstrated.

These are the same people who vote in elections for important things like splitting from Europe and choosing the next US president. And we wonder why the world is screwed.

So right on so many levels.

So when exactly btarunr will change the title and update the news post? Too many people already believe that Microsoft is even more evil now xD

EasoSo when exactly btarunr will change the title and update the news post? Too many people already believe that Microsoft is even more evil now xD

You're saying is it not??

I like how this thread went from calling Microsoft evil based purely on (already thoroughly debunked) FUD, to calling them evil because they should be acting like the second coming of (insert favorite prophet/son of deity/enlightened prince here) and aren't.

Zip up your pants people, your fanboy/bias/double standard is showing.

GigglesThey are not making the right kind of change, if they wanted to change the world they should be doing more direct kind of change, for example all these individuals could fund a non-profit which would make quality electronic products where the company itself would set the prices which would only cover all the production costs and employee wages, that way people could get their hands on supported, quality, affordable products. But if such a company grew then it would become a pain in the neck for all the companies that these people are involved in. Supporting education won't change the fact that we live in capitalistic world. Continuous lobbying and ads about the world problems also wouldn't hurt in this irrational world.

Oh goodie, another one that knows exactly how others should spend their money.

Nothing to see here, you don't see apple allowing people to install Windows on their macs or iPhones and no one complains so lenovo can lock their devices to whatever they want, don't like it? Buy a different brand simple!

NdMk2o1oNothing to see here, you don't see apple allowing people to install Windows on their macs or iPhones and no one complains so lenovo can lock their devices to whatever they want, don't like it? Buy a different brand simple!

Read the comments :)

NdMk2o1oNothing to see here, you don't see apple allowing people to install Windows on their macs or iPhones and no one complains so lenovo can lock their devices to whatever they want, don't like it? Buy a different brand simple!

Actaully you can install Windows on a mac, but the point is the PC is an open platform and attempts to lock it down should be opposed.

That being said, that is NOT what is happening here.

I would say it's Lenovo's fault entirely. After seeing their battery saver feature only accessible under Windows... At least, that's true for the L50-B series. The setting is modifiable by a Windows app, and there's no Linux equivalent. Of course, no BIOS setting regarding that.

On the E351 model, turning off wifi via the wifi app (yes, there's a wifi app, as if Windows couldn't handle that itself) will result in wifi being stuck on "off." You gotta enter the BIOS to get it back to "on." (On a side note, a newer BIOS version or something might fix the problem, but the owner only wanted a quick and cheap solution, so I didn't look further.)

TRWOVNow you know people, if Linux doesn't have support for a hardware feature it's Microsoft's fault... somehow :banghead:

The Linux kernel that Unraid 5 uses doesn't fully support my built in network chip and had to get a network card. I guess I should blame Microsoft too... for some reason.

Of course it's not MS's fault. Unless they're bribing hardware manufacturers somehow... But we don't know that. Hence my opinion: it's the hardware manufacturer's fault. They make the drivers, and it's their own proprietary. No one is legally allowed to modify said code (not to mention how hard that would be), so it's up to them to deliver.

BiggieShadyMore like painstakingly reverse engineer complete raid controller logic because it's proprietary stuff ... that takes huge amount of time all for unstable and mediocre result. If it was for example an audio driver, occasional bugs wouldn't mean much, but this one needs to be bugless

I fully agree. Too often, hardware is limited by crappy drivers, sometimes even on Windows. Xonar drivers are a prime example of that phenomenon.

ssdproSelf-loathing. Every OS has its positives and negatives. Mac OS hinders productivity so badly it is relegated to internet browsing and graphic design-type jobs. Windows 10 is productivity perfected but has become a nanny OS. Linux (I'll speak for Ubuntu and Fedora) is always just a bit behind. It is slow to support new hardware properly, slow to get widespread software usability. Those Linux guys just hate seeing a Windows user using the newest hardware and accomplishing what they do more quickly. I tried Ubuntu years ago, couldn't adapt (we'll just say that is my fault for the sake of argument). I tried Fedora as recently last spring - I spent all of my time reading forums and fixing problems and not getting work done.

If you want faster hardware support, you choose pick a Linux distribution that's rolling release. It took Ubuntu almost a year to have out-of-the-box support for QCA9377 (a laptop wifi card). I needed to install the driver manually with version 15.10 and 16.04, but with version 16.04.1, no need to do it anymore.

Maybe something Arch-based would fulfill your needs? I use Manjaro daily and haven't looked back since. What's funny though, is that I originally started using it because I needed a distro with a non PAE 32 bit kernel... xD

Anyway, I haven't spent much time fixing things since all my hardware is supported by default. But then, it's not exactly what you'd call a new laptop.

About adjusting, it does take some time to adjust, but a lot of Linux distros are well documented (including Arch Linux and Manjaro) and you can learn about its innards in a very straightforward manner.

cyneaterLunix is free.

Where as there is the insane apple tax and the microsoft tax...

It's not just about price. It's also about freedom. You're the one in control... But then, you need to learn how it works. For instance, it took me a while to know that Dolphin should be launched with "kdesu" (I'm using KDE) instead of "sudo" or "su". Since Windows can be so permissive, users are often frustrated about the secure aspect of Linux.

NutZInTheHeadMicro$h!t at it again.
I so much like Vulkan to really take off fast so I don't have to deal with Microsoft products.
I am a PC gamer and currently the only reason I put up with Microsoft is because there is no other option for me.

Can I install Windows RT on Android+ARM based tablet? Stop being a hypocrite.

Since Linux is open source, modify your own Linux distro to support the software RAID controller.

HD64GSame dirty tactics again. Pushing Win10, auto-installing Win10, now blocking changing Win10. Those moves make me to totally disgust MS and their practices.

It's the same with Apple's iOS and Google's Android+ARM based mobile devices.

I support a view that Windows should bundle app store, music app, web browser, etc just like Apple's MacOS X/iOS and Google's Android.

rvalenciaI support a view that Windows should bundle app store, music app, web browser, etc just like Apple's MacOS X/iOS and Google's Android.

They don't already?

rvalenciaCan I install Windows RT on Android+ARM based tablet? Stop being a hypocrite.

Since Linux is open source, modify your own Linux distro to support the software RAID controller.

It's up to the manufacturer to either come up with a driver for Linux or give documentation. Ain't nobody got time for all that reverse engineering.

R-T-BThey don't already?

I'm against EU's and South Korea's directive on "Windows N/KN" editions.

winsupersite.com/windows-10/what-are-windows-10-n-and-kn-editions

Unless it is advertised as a windows only laptop, isn't it going to hit on the anti-competitive or miss information of the product?

I'm not sure why lenovo even considered such an agreement. It is not like 90% of their base will install linux on it, and it is not like windows isn't already pre-installed.
This is just weird.

M$ these days...:shadedshu:

People need to read the comments: There was no such agreement. This has been debunked thoroughly.

NaitoIf it wasn't for Microsoft, we'd all be using either a proprietary IBM platform or something from Apple. Wintel did a lot more for the computer industry than you and many others give credit for... :shadedshu:

If it wasn't for the competition, we'd be at what, ms dos version 25.0?, , , ,

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