Tuesday, December 13th 2016

AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

At their Austin, Texas "New Horizon" Event, AMD introduced us to live "ZEN" chips working full-tilt, showing us what AMD's passion and ingenuity managed to achieve. The "New Horizon" event was a celebration to what AMD sees as another one of those special, breakthrough moments for a company: after starting work on "ZEN" 4 years ago in 2012 as a complete new design. The focus: building a great machine, whilst increasing IPC by 40% over their previous architecture, at the same power constraints; and to create a smart machine, which could sense and adapt to environment and applications so it improves over time. The company's verdicts: "ZEN" met or exceeded their goals, with the desktop PC market being home to the very first "ZEN" product.

According to AMD's CEO Dr. Lisa Su, AMD's event was named "New Horizon" as a reference to AMD's vision in the computing space: that they're on a journey to bring a new generation of processor technology, and customers towards a new horizon of computing. Their intention? To directly connect with fans who love PC gaming, whilst doing what AMD does best - pushing the envelope on performance, power, frame-rates and technology. AMD also flaunted their renewed faith in gaming, with it being on the company's DNA and passion, whilst revisiting the old memory lane, reminiscing on the Athlon Thunderbird, the world's first chip to break the 1 GHz barrier; the launch of their first 64-bit processor; and breaking the 1 TFLOP barrier in computing power with their HD 4850 and 4870 gaming GPUs.
AMD confirmed that CPUs based on their "ZEN" micro-architecture will carry the brand "Ryzen" - a play on the "ZEN" architecture's focus on balance, high performance and low power, while introducing new features. Ryzen is AMD's take of a processor that is both powerful in purpose, and efficient in design, and it symbolizes the power of "ZEN" reaching the next horizon in computing. They will do so by starting with an 8-core, 16-thread, SMT-enabled, 3.4 GHz+ base clock and 20MB combined cache new high-performance CPU, leveraging all the improvements baked into AMD's new AM4 platform (with 3.4 GHz apparently being the lowest frequency a Ryzen, consumer-level desktop solution will carry).
To prove their words and commitment to Ryzen's performance, AMD showcased the chip's prowess in a Blender test, pitting a Ryzen CPU at 3.4 GHz base clock (without Boost), with the consumer market's only other 8-core, 16-thread CPU in the Intel i7 6900K, at its stock 3.2 GHz base clock, with Boost enabled and no adjustments, "straight out of the box". The verdict: Ryzen matched the 6900K's performance. Dr. Lisa Su was quick to point out the 6900K's pricing at $1100, though she left an intentional silence at the point where she could have made a bombastic pricing announcement for Ryzen - perhaps keeping her cards close to her chest so as to not allow Intel to figure out any pricing changes in their products (if any), should Ryzen prove deserving of such a response. But the bottom line, and the home-run hit by Lisa Su, was the announcement that Ryzen was able to match Intel's performance with 45 W less TDP - 95 W TDP on Ryzen against the 140 W TDP on Intel's 6900K. In another test, this time a Handbrake transcoding demo, Ryzen transcoded a video in 54 seconds, against 59 seconds on Intel's 6900K processor.
Again at 3.4 GHz, Ryzen was shown "beating the game frame-rates of a Core i7 6900K playing Battlefield 1 at 4K resolution, with each CPU paired with an Nvidia Titan X GPU". Not drawing any more attention than needs to be drawn towards the usage of an NVIDIA solution at their own event (which was puzzling, since AMD did show a Ryzen CPU and a VEGA-based graphics cards running Star Wars Battlefront's as-of-yet unreleased Rogue One DLC at over 60fps in 4K), we didn't actually see any reported frame-rated on the Battlefield 1 demo - only that the Ryzen-based system offered considerably less frame-skipping than the Intel solution, with the expected effects that has on the gaming experience.
AMD also announced what constitutes part of Ryzen's beating heart: their SenseMI technology, which includes "Neural Net Prediction" - an artificial intelligence neural network that learns to predict what future pathway an application will take based on past runs; "Smart Prefetch", which drinks from the "Neural Net Prediction", anticipating the data an app needs and having it ready when needed (with these two features alone being responsible for 1/4 of Ryzen's performance uplift, according to Lisa Su). Additionally, AMD announced Ryzen's "Pure Power" and "Precision Boost" features: more than "100 embedded sensors with accuracy to the millivolt, milliwatt, and single degree level of temperature enable optimal voltage, clock frequency, and operating mode with minimal energy consumption", controlling each part of the chip, independently, in milliseconds, leveraging "smart logic that monitors integrated sensors and optimizes clock speeds, in increments as small as 25MHz, at up to a thousand times a second". Finishing the pentad of new features was the "Extended Frequency Range" (XFR), a temperature-based boost function where the processor knows what temperature it's operating at, enabling higher clock speeds as the system gets cooler (and vice-versa, we'd expect, towards the 3.4 GHz base clock).
At the event, AMD showed Ryzen running a VR demo, as well as delivering performance in raytracing, with physically based shaders and materials, HDR, and a grand total of 53 million polygons in a single model. Interestingly, AMD also showed their Ryzen CPU against an Intel 6700K processor overlocked towards an unspecified frequency, comparing the chip's performance in streaming DOTA 2: where the 6700K showed severe frame-skipping on the streaming screen, but Ryzen handled it beautifully.
As a sendoff, AMD's CEO Lisa SU mentioned that Ryzen will be on desktop and notebook solutions (leaving out the server market, which could mean a brand distinction between both solutions", whilst reaffirming that Ryzen's Q1 launch is completely on track, from the only company that has both high-performance CPUs and GPUs. And as an appetizer, the good doctor did say that Ryzen's performance will only improve until their promised launch.
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205 Comments on AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

#101
Ja.KooLit
wow all haters to AMD you can continue buying expensive intel or nvidia :)

Dont you guys happy if AMD actually deliver what they promised?

Anyway, if these Ryzen is a success and intel will step up. Consumers will get alot of benefits
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#102
Dbiggs9
Found this on the Rumor Board.

Ryzen SR7 $549 USD 8c 3.6ghz 4.2-4.4 boost
Ryzen SR5 $329 USD 6c 3.8ghz 4.4-4.7 boost
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#103
ADHDGAMING
AssimilatorYou have no understanding of how companies work, do you?
only need to know how Lisa Sue works in this case....
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#104
HD64G
AssimilatorYou have no understanding of how companies work, do you?
I do and he is totally correct. A clear hint there from LS about Ryzen being cheaper. Now, why don't you wait a few weeks to see who's correct about it?

And to anyone who doesn't like Intel being challenged from AMD and being pessimistic without reason after this Ryzen demo, I have to say one word. Fanboyism...
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#105
Nergal
Whatever people speculate on speed and pricing.

It will be GOOD ENOUGH to compete with Intel.

Prices will drop.

Going "Full Red" is now a real option.
OctaveanIf a RYZEN 8 core 16 thread monster came in at about ~$300 to ~$400 USD retail I would be very interested and tempted. However, if Intel were to drop prices on the Core i7 6900K to the same price range it would be easier and simpler for me to just buy the Core i7 6900K because its a drop-in upgrade. That is a big "if" though.
And to be honest, would you buy a CPU from a company that was priced 1.100 previous month, and now suddenly only 400? Doesn´t that just show that the company asked too much initially? And you would support that?
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#106
YautjaLord
Dbiggs9Found this on the Rumor Board.

Ryzen SR7 $549 USD 8c 3.6ghz 4.2-4.4 boost
Ryzen SR5 $329 USD 6c 3.8ghz 4.4-4.7 boost
lol He said Rumor Board. FUDZilla charts? rofl jk

Found Guru3D, Paul's Hardware (ft. Bitwit) & some other coverage of the event on YT, check 'em out:


Motherboards, God-f*ckin-dangit! :laugh: C'mon AMD, glad there's actually a 4k rig fitted with Zen & Titan X Pascal, i want actual numbers n sh!t! Dangit, i'm hyped. lol
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#107
bug
night.foxwow all haters to AMD you can continue buying expensive intel or nvidia :)

Dont you guys happy if AMD actually deliver what they promised?

Anyway, if these Ryzen is a success and intel will step up. Consumers will get alot of benefits
Everybody's gonna be happy if AMD delivers. But can you say they'll deliver based on marketing presentations? It's looking good so far (when AMD didn't deliver, they haven't leaked anything before the actual release), but let's wait for the real deal.
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#108
R0H1T
dozenfuryFYI, another site (AT) they did some CSI-ish examination of the presentation, because scores were suspiciously not lining up with where they should be in that Ryzen demo and they noticed something. In the AMD Ryzen demo, the video shows that the render sample value is changed to 100 instead of the default 200, which dramatically changes the scores. So if you download the demo from AMD and just hit go, you will have the default 200 render sample value and will have a slow score. You will need to change the render sample value to 100 to get an accurate comparison, and that's assuming they also didn't change anything else.

Incredibly sneaky, and more reason to wait for real third-party unbiased benches. I'm very hopeful it turns out to be good, but stuff like this raises some major red flags especially considering AMD's history of letdowns.
Well unless AMD has somehow handicapped the 6900K system & then run the blender/x264 benches (without changing anything else?) your assumption or allegation sounds frivolous. I'm pretty sure the two configs, hardware & software, would be as similar as possible & between them the SR7 won. They haven't released their test system specs but it (the demo) does show you that Ryzen has exceeded the 6900K at a lower TDP & with similar config in a couple of benches, obviously you can't make the two exactly the same so we'll take whatever we have with a pinch of salt. Anything more would be speculation at best.
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#109
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
R0H1TWell unless AMD has somehow handicapped the 6900K system & then run the blender/x264 benches (without changing anything else?) your assumption or allegation sounds frivolous. I'm pretty sure the two configs, hardware & software, would be as similar as possible & between them the SR7 won. They haven't released their test system specs but it (the demo) does show you that Ryzen has exceeded the 6900K at a lower TDP & with similar config in a couple of benches, obviously you can't make the two exactly the same so we'll take whatever we have with a pinch of salt. Anything more would be speculation at best.
My honest guess is they dropped render time because no one wants to sit there and wait for a minute for both rigs to render something. It looks like both ran the same test just dropped in time?
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#110
Fx
I have been waiting for Zen before building my next gaming rig. I am really encouraged by this news that its performance will deliver. I will be buying the first iteration of Ryzen, and sell it for a better chip as they roll them out.
Good job AMD :toast:
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#111
Franzen4Real
XzibitMight want to read and know what the event was for first.

This was a Zen preview not a VEGA preview. "New Horizon begins now. Join our journey into the future with a special preview of our newest CPU"



The BF1 demo was to showcase Zen @ 4k Ultra settings reguardless of GPU. That's why they used a Titan X(P). Not to disclose VEGA. RX480 wouldnt have been an option for those settings.

I doubt AMD or Nvidia will go out of their way to showcase a unreleased product just to satisfy some forum naysayers so they can move on to the next thread and complain about something else 5 minutes later.



I'm sure we'll get some here.
So true
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#112
Octavean
NergalAnd to be honest, would you buy a CPU from a company that was priced 1.100 previous month, and now suddenly only 400? Doesn´t that just show that the company asked too much initially? And you would support that?
That is certainly one way of looking at it and I don't begrudge anyone their particular viewpoint on this. However, there are more ways of looking at it including being able to buy a product at a greatly reduced price which to most people is typically seen as a good thing as is competition. We are getting ahead of ourselves though, Intel hasn't dropped any prices just yet and they may never.

No matter what happens though I'm reasonably satisfied with the hardware choices I've made. Its well known that hardware metrics / performance levels are surpassed as time goes by (efficiency too). I've enjoyed excellent hardware performance for a number of years and none of that changes because a newer faster bit of kit hit the block or will soon in 2017. If we are bing totally honest here I'm willing to stick with what I have for another year or two if not more. It is self indulgent to consider an upgrade at this point or at least it is for me.

Either way I am pleased the AMD is finally poised to match and possibly dictate price / performance levels. Everybody wins!!!

I will be considering an AMD platform for next build though and I would consider investing in the company before RYZEN launch in anticipation of their stock going up,....
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#113
thesmokingman
AscalaphusYou're missing the bigger picture:
It will cost LESS than a i7-6900k as well.
I'm betting it will be cheaper too but that's not the point. It's too early for grandiose titles like that.
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#114
cyneater
night.foxwow all haters to AMD you can continue buying expensive intel or nvidia :)

Dont you guys happy if AMD actually deliver what they promised?

Anyway, if these Ryzen is a success and intel will step up. Consumers will get alot of benefits
Not haters ... just re-living the athlon XP ...

AMD's last P4 killer was the Athlon 64 since then they have been full of marketing BS...

Until someone other than AMD benchmarks the new chips
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#115
bug
R0H1TWell unless AMD has somehow handicapped the 6900K system & then run the blender/x264 benches (without changing anything else?) your assumption or allegation sounds frivolous. I'm pretty sure the two configs, hardware & software, would be as similar as possible & between them the SR7 won. They haven't released their test system specs but it (the demo) does show you that Ryzen has exceeded the 6900K at a lower TDP & with similar config in a couple of benches, obviously you can't make the two exactly the same so we'll take whatever we have with a pinch of salt. Anything more would be speculation at best.
Every single leak about Zen has been a Blender benchmark. Doesn't that raise any flags?
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#116
YautjaLord
bugEvery single leak about Zen has been a Blender benchmark. Doesn't that raise any flags?
Not entirely, but mostly yeah, Google gives mostly the slides of either a aforementioned benchmark or AMD's hardware slides when i search for this stuff & also that AM4 mobo slide looks fugly. lol But atleast it can play BF1 in 4k n can be fitted with Titan X Pascal, good right? lol jk *not sarcastic*

Don't tell me TPU staff only gonna have the samples of both any AM4/X370 mobo & SR7 @ the same time or even after CES 2017, my head about to explode already, can't cope up with hype-based awesomeness overload of yesterday's sneak preview. :laugh:
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#118
ValenOne
renz496AFAIK FP16 support in games is not that new. if anything using FP16 probably going to reduce image quality. on mobile (like SoC) the reason to use FP16 is to save power and bandwidth. can you provide the link talking about the importance of FP16 in upcoming SM6?
Native 16 FP support was removed during DX10 era.


Note float16 'half' types. 16 bit FP has existed since DX9a.

Xbox Scorpio would have PS4 Pro's double rate 16 bit FP mode.
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#119
bug
YautjaLordDon't tell me TPU staff only gonna have the samples of both any AM4/X370 mobo & SR7 @ the same time or even after CES 2017, my head about to explode already, can't cope up with hype-based awesomeness overload of yesterday's sneak preview. :laugh:
AMD themselves didn't have both Zen and Vega samples for their own show. Another raised flag.
But let's be clear, when I say "raised flag", I mean things are still uncertain, I'm not implying AMD is doing something sneaky.
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#120
ValenOne
bugAMD themselves didn't have both Zen and Vega samples for their own show. Another raised flag.
But let's be clear, when I say "raised flag", I mean things are still uncertain, I'm not implying AMD is doing something sneaky.
AMD's show has demo'ed both RyZEN and Vega, hence they have engineering samples.
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#121
DeathtoGnomes
bugAMD themselves didn't have both Zen and Vega samples for their own show. Another raised flag.
But let's be clear, when I say "raised flag", I mean things are still uncertain, I'm not implying AMD is doing something sneaky.
wtf are you on about? did you not watch the same livestream I did? what source for your "facts" there?
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#122
thesmokingman
bugI'm not implying AMD is doing something sneaky.
Ironically, that is exactly what yer implying.
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#123
bug
rvalenciaAMD's show has demo'ed both RyZEN and Vega, hence they have engineering samples.
Yeah, but when showing us how powerful Zen is, they paired it with a Titan X. Which is fine by me, but a bit puzzling.
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#124
Octavean
bugYeah, but when showing us how powerful Zen is, they paired it with a Titan X. Which is fine by me, but a bit puzzling.
No there was a RYZEN + Vega segment to the demo too as evident by the following clip of the even't:

www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· xD_xP2B0
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#125
R0H1T
bugEvery single leak about Zen has been a Blender benchmark. Doesn't that raise any flags?
I guess you must've missed the handbrake demo, or the multitasking one with Dota2 & twitch?
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