Tuesday, December 13th 2016

AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

At their Austin, Texas "New Horizon" Event, AMD introduced us to live "ZEN" chips working full-tilt, showing us what AMD's passion and ingenuity managed to achieve. The "New Horizon" event was a celebration to what AMD sees as another one of those special, breakthrough moments for a company: after starting work on "ZEN" 4 years ago in 2012 as a complete new design. The focus: building a great machine, whilst increasing IPC by 40% over their previous architecture, at the same power constraints; and to create a smart machine, which could sense and adapt to environment and applications so it improves over time. The company's verdicts: "ZEN" met or exceeded their goals, with the desktop PC market being home to the very first "ZEN" product.

According to AMD's CEO Dr. Lisa Su, AMD's event was named "New Horizon" as a reference to AMD's vision in the computing space: that they're on a journey to bring a new generation of processor technology, and customers towards a new horizon of computing. Their intention? To directly connect with fans who love PC gaming, whilst doing what AMD does best - pushing the envelope on performance, power, frame-rates and technology. AMD also flaunted their renewed faith in gaming, with it being on the company's DNA and passion, whilst revisiting the old memory lane, reminiscing on the Athlon Thunderbird, the world's first chip to break the 1 GHz barrier; the launch of their first 64-bit processor; and breaking the 1 TFLOP barrier in computing power with their HD 4850 and 4870 gaming GPUs.
AMD confirmed that CPUs based on their "ZEN" micro-architecture will carry the brand "Ryzen" - a play on the "ZEN" architecture's focus on balance, high performance and low power, while introducing new features. Ryzen is AMD's take of a processor that is both powerful in purpose, and efficient in design, and it symbolizes the power of "ZEN" reaching the next horizon in computing. They will do so by starting with an 8-core, 16-thread, SMT-enabled, 3.4 GHz+ base clock and 20MB combined cache new high-performance CPU, leveraging all the improvements baked into AMD's new AM4 platform (with 3.4 GHz apparently being the lowest frequency a Ryzen, consumer-level desktop solution will carry).
To prove their words and commitment to Ryzen's performance, AMD showcased the chip's prowess in a Blender test, pitting a Ryzen CPU at 3.4 GHz base clock (without Boost), with the consumer market's only other 8-core, 16-thread CPU in the Intel i7 6900K, at its stock 3.2 GHz base clock, with Boost enabled and no adjustments, "straight out of the box". The verdict: Ryzen matched the 6900K's performance. Dr. Lisa Su was quick to point out the 6900K's pricing at $1100, though she left an intentional silence at the point where she could have made a bombastic pricing announcement for Ryzen - perhaps keeping her cards close to her chest so as to not allow Intel to figure out any pricing changes in their products (if any), should Ryzen prove deserving of such a response. But the bottom line, and the home-run hit by Lisa Su, was the announcement that Ryzen was able to match Intel's performance with 45 W less TDP - 95 W TDP on Ryzen against the 140 W TDP on Intel's 6900K. In another test, this time a Handbrake transcoding demo, Ryzen transcoded a video in 54 seconds, against 59 seconds on Intel's 6900K processor.
Again at 3.4 GHz, Ryzen was shown "beating the game frame-rates of a Core i7 6900K playing Battlefield 1 at 4K resolution, with each CPU paired with an Nvidia Titan X GPU". Not drawing any more attention than needs to be drawn towards the usage of an NVIDIA solution at their own event (which was puzzling, since AMD did show a Ryzen CPU and a VEGA-based graphics cards running Star Wars Battlefront's as-of-yet unreleased Rogue One DLC at over 60fps in 4K), we didn't actually see any reported frame-rated on the Battlefield 1 demo - only that the Ryzen-based system offered considerably less frame-skipping than the Intel solution, with the expected effects that has on the gaming experience.
AMD also announced what constitutes part of Ryzen's beating heart: their SenseMI technology, which includes "Neural Net Prediction" - an artificial intelligence neural network that learns to predict what future pathway an application will take based on past runs; "Smart Prefetch", which drinks from the "Neural Net Prediction", anticipating the data an app needs and having it ready when needed (with these two features alone being responsible for 1/4 of Ryzen's performance uplift, according to Lisa Su). Additionally, AMD announced Ryzen's "Pure Power" and "Precision Boost" features: more than "100 embedded sensors with accuracy to the millivolt, milliwatt, and single degree level of temperature enable optimal voltage, clock frequency, and operating mode with minimal energy consumption", controlling each part of the chip, independently, in milliseconds, leveraging "smart logic that monitors integrated sensors and optimizes clock speeds, in increments as small as 25MHz, at up to a thousand times a second". Finishing the pentad of new features was the "Extended Frequency Range" (XFR), a temperature-based boost function where the processor knows what temperature it's operating at, enabling higher clock speeds as the system gets cooler (and vice-versa, we'd expect, towards the 3.4 GHz base clock).
At the event, AMD showed Ryzen running a VR demo, as well as delivering performance in raytracing, with physically based shaders and materials, HDR, and a grand total of 53 million polygons in a single model. Interestingly, AMD also showed their Ryzen CPU against an Intel 6700K processor overlocked towards an unspecified frequency, comparing the chip's performance in streaming DOTA 2: where the 6700K showed severe frame-skipping on the streaming screen, but Ryzen handled it beautifully.
As a sendoff, AMD's CEO Lisa SU mentioned that Ryzen will be on desktop and notebook solutions (leaving out the server market, which could mean a brand distinction between both solutions", whilst reaffirming that Ryzen's Q1 launch is completely on track, from the only company that has both high-performance CPUs and GPUs. And as an appetizer, the good doctor did say that Ryzen's performance will only improve until their promised launch.
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205 Comments on AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

#126
Assimilator
HD64GI do and he is totally correct. A clear hint there from LS about Ryzen being cheaper. Now, why don't you wait a few weeks to see who's correct about it?
So a "hint" in a marketing presentation translates to a guarantee... got it.

You might understand how companies work, but you certainly don't understand how financially successful companies work: they produce the best product, then charge as much money for it as consumers are willing to pay. It's called "capitalism". (Your evident bias towards AMD, a company that is the exact opposite of financially successful, explains why you don't understand this.)
HD64GAnd to anyone who doesn't like Intel being challenged from AMD and being pessimistic without reason after this Ryzen demo, I have to say one word. Fanboyism...
The only one who has claimed that people don't like Intel being challenged is... you.
The only one who has accused others of being fanboys is... you.

Perhaps you should look in a mirror once in a while, or take a course on basic logical reasoning. Because there's absolutely nothing fanboy-ish about being skeptical of a company's claims if that company has consistently lied about similar claims in the past (Bulldozer anyone?). On the other hand, refusing to scrutinise those claims is exactly the type of behaviour I'd expect from an actual fanboy.

Pot, kettle, black.
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#127
Shihab
BlueberriesWe haven't been stuck, there's just no demand. What "mainstream" application uses 16 threads? WinRAR?
Depends on your definition for "mainstream". Since simple users have started the exodus do those droid and iOS toys, the PC landscape hasn't been the same as it was back when running a flash application was the most demanding task for the average user.

There's also the view that sees utility being driven by availability. PCIe wasn't meant for [direct] storage, yet when the storage industry reached the point of needing high bandwidths, PCIe was there for it. Same goes for many if not most of the GPUs' Unified Shader architectures uses these days.
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#128
Ikaruga
Q1, There is a * at the title bar of the blender window on the Intel system, which means the file was edited without saving. What's changed?

Q2,
Why can't we see the taskbar of the Intel system, what's there? (as the camera pans over the table, it seems that more apps are running on the AMD rig).
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#129
YautjaLord
IkarugaQ1, There is a * at the title bar of the blender window on the Intel system, which means the file was edited without saving. What's changed?

Q2,
Why can't we see the taskbar of the Intel system, what's there? (as the camera pans over the table, it seems that more apps are running on the AMD rig).
That. Have to watch that stream again, but i have the same question, you basically ninja-posted me? lol

Wait for TPU or any other tech site to benchmark this beast vs all the best Intel offerings, that's the best solution, God that's irritating. :laugh:

Or for CES 2017.
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#130
john_
HD64GAnd to anyone who doesn't like Intel being challenged from AMD and being pessimistic without reason after this Ryzen demo, I have to say one word. Fanboyism...
Everyone wants AMD to challenge Intel, at least in theory. In reality they also want AMD products to lose in direct comparisons. They want AMD to offer products that will lower the prices of Intel(and Nvidia) products, but at the same time to be INFERIOR IN EVERYTHING compared to those products. Performance, features, efficiency, overclocking, so they can continue feeling they are part of a higher society that uses superior brands compare to those used by regular... peasants. They want those products to be only good when looking at performance per dollar and only in the beginning. They are dreaming that then, Intel(and Nvidia) will come with their hammers and drop them on AMD's head in the form of nice price cuts, making AMD to lose that advantage also. Ironic and hypocritical at the same time. The worst part here? I am not sure I am exaggerating. So, nothing strange if some people will find plenty of faults on RYZEN.
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#131
bug
john_Everyone wants AMD to challenge Intel, at least in theory. In reality they also want AMD products to lose in direct comparisons. They want AMD to offer products that will lower the prices of Intel(and Nvidia) products, but at the same time to be INFERIOR IN EVERYTHING compared to those products. Performance, features, efficiency, overclocking, so they can continue feeling they are part of a higher society that uses superior brands compare to those used by regular... peasants. They want those products to be only good when looking at performance per dollar and only in the beginning. They are dreaming that then, Intel(and Nvidia) will come with their hammers and drop them on AMD's head in the form of nice price cuts, making AMD to lose that advantage also. Ironic and hypocritical at the same time. The worst part here? I am not sure I am exaggerating. So, nothing strange if some people will find plenty of faults on RYZEN.
That (what you just wrote) is just fanboyism in a different form. Not even Bulldozer or P4 were "INFERIOR IN EVERYTHING", so why would anyone expect this from either camp? What happens is marketing presentations are inherently one-sided and whoever doesn't wear horse-goggles, is taking them with a pinch of salt. Maybe too much salt in cases.
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#132
john_
bugThat (what you just wrote) is just fanboyism in a different form. Not even Bulldozer or P4 were "INFERIOR IN EVERYTHING", so why would anyone expect this from either camp? What happens is marketing presentations are inherently one-sided and whoever doesn't wear horse-goggles, is taking them with a pinch of salt. Maybe too much salt in cases.
I was very specific. Direct comparisons with products in the same category and what some people WANT, not what it really is. For example, you will find plenty of people saying that a i3 is superior to an 8 core FX. Nothing more.
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#133
bug
john_I was very specific. Direct comparisons with products in the same category and what some people WANT, not what it really is. For example, you will find plenty of people saying that a i3 is superior to an 8 core FX. Nothing more.
Depending on what they mean, those people can be right or wrong. They're right if they're talking about single-thread performance and wrong if they need to do heavily multi-threaded work. Just stating the obvious.
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#134
HD64G
AssimilatorSo a "hint" in a marketing presentation translates to a guarantee... got it.

You might understand how companies work, but you certainly don't understand how financially successful companies work: they produce the best product, then charge as much money for it as consumers are willing to pay. It's called "capitalism". (Your evident bias towards AMD, a company that is the exact opposite of financially successful, explains why you don't understand this.)



The only one who has claimed that people don't like Intel being challenged is... you.
The only one who has accused others of being fanboys is... you.

Perhaps you should look in a mirror once in a while, or take a course on basic logical reasoning. Because there's absolutely nothing fanboy-ish about being skeptical of a company's claims if that company has consistently lied about similar claims in the past (Bulldozer anyone?). On the other hand, refusing to scrutinise those claims is exactly the type of behaviour I'd expect from an actual fanboy.

Pot, kettle, black.
You question the knowledge of an unknown person on economics and you pretend you know better? Who is showing immaturity now? And who is constant in being (or petending to be) ignorant of clear truths just to poke AMD? AMD CEO clearly put the i7 6900K price into perspective to show that Ryzen will be cheaper even being as fast as the Intel CPU. If that's difficult to get it, it is your empathy towards AMD, not us being irrelevant to economics and capitalism...

As for me, I just buy the best b4b for decades now and don't allow any marketing or prestige bs to milk from me...

Insults directly sent back in your face :slap: as you took personally a general opinion I posted about some of the people in forums that enjoy bashing on AMD no matter how and what they do. And I always like small companies to challenge big ones and providing us more value for our hardly earned money. ;)

Don't bother to keep replying, as I won't spend any time more for you.
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#135
Nergal
AssimilatorSo a "hint" in a marketing presentation translates to a guarantee... got it.

You might understand how companies work, but you certainly don't understand how financially successful companies work: they produce the best product, then charge as much money for it as consumers are willing to pay. It's called "capitalism". (Your evident bias towards AMD, a company that is the exact opposite of financially successful, explains why you don't understand this.)



The only one who has claimed that people don't like Intel being challenged is... you.
The only one who has accused others of being fanboys is... you.

Perhaps you should look in a mirror once in a while, or take a course on basic logical reasoning. Because there's absolutely nothing fanboy-ish about being skeptical of a company's claims if that company has consistently lied about similar claims in the past (Bulldozer anyone?). On the other hand, refusing to scrutinise those claims is exactly the type of behaviour I'd expect from an actual fanboy.

Pot, kettle, black.



It is clear to everyone that ZEN will be at the very least a somewhat decent product that will bring AMD in direct competition.

Everyone is free to speculate on the details and discuss with each other about those ideas, which is why we have this nice tech-savvy forum platform.

Not to insult.
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#136
Shihab
john_I am not sure I am exaggerating. So, nothing strange if some people will find plenty of faults on RYZEN.
Well, at least at some level you're aware that what you just said has no shred of rationality or proof.
I agree with Assimilator on one part: There's too much circular reasoning going around here.
Fanboys exist on both camps, yet many consumers belong to neither. Just because someone criticizes a product of one doesn't necessarily paint them the other's colours.
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#137
simlariver
I remembrer a few years back, right after the Athlon X2 came out, that AMD signed a massive deal with a software firm that was supposed to provide CPU architecture design and replace hundred of engineers in the process. the whole thing ended up being a flop and the whole thing was swept under the rug by the board of directors. It's a classic effect of a company being run by "admin-type" people that don't understand the underling technology enabling their core product.

Anybody else remember that episode or am I the only one ?

I guess ZEN is the first man-made cpu design since they got stuck with the robot-designed cpu cores fiasco a while back. I'm glad they are coming back but I'll wait for reviews and some general feedback before I approve of it. Also, I think that AMD will help the same of their new hardware platform by giving away lots of free games like they have been doing for a while. That's something Intel will have a harder time to match.

Edit: Benchmark, benchmark, benchmark ... In the end, that's mainly what we are waiting for.
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#138
john_
ShihabyoooWell, at least at some level you're aware that what you just said has no shred of rationality or proof.
Nice cut and paste and a happy conclusion.
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#139
YautjaLord
Checked the CES website, Samsung (i think), NVidia, were among the attendees, haven't seen AMD, hell even typed "AMD @ CES 2017" in Google - nothing that shows even were they'll gonna located in that expo. lol Two n a half weeks, or even more left til that expo goes live. ASUS, MSI, etc... show nothing on their homepages that reads AM4/X370 either. I need every info bout these!!!!! I gonna finish both original Carma & Splat Pack b4 this event happens, ffs! :laugh:
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#140
Xzibit
YautjaLordChecked the CES website, Samsung (i think), NVidia, were among the attendees, haven't seen AMD, hell even typed "AMD @ CES 2017" in Google - nothing that shows even were they'll gonna located in that expo. lol Two n a half weeks, or even more left til that expo goes live. ASUS, MSI, etc... show nothing on their homepages that reads AM4/X370 either. I need every info bout these!!!!! I gonna finish both original Carma & Splat Pack b4 this event happens, ffs! :laugh:
Here you go

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#141
Vayra86
All I am interested in at this point, is how well it will overclock.

Depending on the final single threaded perf I'm ugraded either which way, but AMD will definitely be cheaper and insta-buy if it easily clocks 4+ Ghz.
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#142
EarthDog
Vayra86All I am interested in at this point, is how well it will overclock.

Depending on the final single threaded perf I'm ugraded either which way, but AMD will definitely be cheaper and insta-buy if it easily clocks 4.5+ Ghz.
Fixed that for you... :)
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#143
Vayra86
EarthDogFixed that for you... :)
Gotcha, but even at 4 I would consider it because of the additional cores at similar price point.
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#144
YautjaLord
XzibitHere you go

Advanced Micro Devices
Booth Locations:
Venetian, Lvl 3 - San Polo 3402,
Venetian, Lvl 3 - San Polo 3403
Venetian, Lvl 3 - San Polo 3404

Advanced Micro Devices
Booth Locations:
Venetian Tower - Suite 30-316,
Palazzo Tower,
Hospitality - Venetian Palazzo Hospitality Suites
CES website is a forest, thanx for info. :) But it's not like i'm goin to attend it. lol Hope they'll (CES) stream it live, how's their Android app works on - say - Galaxy J5? Had Twitch.tv app on this thing, worked like sh!t.
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#145
EarthDog
Vayra86Gotcha, but even at 4 I would consider it because of the additional cores at similar price point.
For overclocking purposes, it better hit 4.5ghz+. I'm talking about pushing these things. Not daily driving on an overclock.

Forgot I was at TPU amd not my homesite. Expectations are different.
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#146
bug
Vayra86All I am interested in at this point, is how well it will overclock.

Depending on the final single threaded perf I'm ugraded either which way, but AMD will definitely be cheaper and insta-buy if it easily clocks 4+ Ghz.
How could have your overclock set in stone when you don't know Zen's IPC?
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#147
YautjaLord
EarthDogFor overclocking purposes, it better hit 4.5ghz+. I'm talking about pushing these things. Not daily driving on an overclock.

Forgot I was at TPU amd not my homesite. Expectations are different.
4.5GHz can be daily, 24/7 OC, but yeah i'm with you on that one. 4.0 or even 4.2GHz can be this thing's Turbo/XFR*(?) clock (depending on cooling solution), make this beast go higher; i intent on testing 4.0GHz with Prime95 raping it for 1 hour, 4.5GHz raped with Prime95 for 4 - FOUR - hours!!!!! lol After benchmarks here surface & once i have the LCS (EKWB custom liquid loop) along with the rest of planned components, ofc.

*eXtended Frequency Range, type of Turbo Core? Or is it Precision Boost? Both sound more or less the same to me.
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#148
BiggieShady
For those who are wondering about IPC judging from the multi threaded tests, the only way possible that Ryzen's IPC is much worse than Broadwell E, is if SMT is much better than HyperThreading ... 8c16t broadwell e has tons of cache and HT is rather mature/refined after all these years, so the IPC should be competitive.
About OC potential, 3.4 GHz base clock is nothing to sneeze at for a 8c16t part ... and with total power consumption lowered, the only real question that remains: Will the chip be as resistant (to electromigration) as intel's at temps over 80C?
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#149
Eknex
Do you think that the price of socket 2011-3 will decrease with the output of AMD Zen?
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#150
rruff
john_For example, you will find plenty of people saying that a i3 is superior to an 8 core FX. Nothing more.
That would be me! An i3 performs better (faster) in any task that uses 4 threads or less (which is the great majority) and consumes a lot less power ($) doing it.

So tell me I'm a fanboy. I'd happily get AMD if it made sense. I *was* an AMD fan until it stopped making sense ~8 years ago. I really hope it will make sense again, because we will all be better off. Competition is good.
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