Monday, December 19th 2016
Tom Clancy's "The Division" Gets DirectX 12 Update, RX 480 Beats GTX 1060 by 16%
Over the weekend, gamers began testing the new DirectX 12 renderer of Tom Clancy's "The Division," released through a game patch. Testing by GameGPU (Russian media site) shows that AMD Radeon RX 480 is about 16 percent faster than NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB, with the game running in the new DirectX 12 mode. "The Division" was tested with its new DirectX 12 renderer, on an ASUS Radeon RX 480 STRIX graphics card driven by Crimson ReLive 16.12.1 drivers, and compared with an ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 6GB STRIX, driven by GeForce 376.19 drivers. Independent testing by German tech-site ComputerBase.de supports these findings.
Sources:
GameGPU, ComputerBase.de, Expreview
142 Comments on Tom Clancy's "The Division" Gets DirectX 12 Update, RX 480 Beats GTX 1060 by 16%
Even today they still hold price in Europe from 430-700 EUR which is insane.
Another reason is "I don't want to be bent over when buying monitor with adaptive sync".
Oh, and the main point, which you seem to have COMPLETELY MISSED: AMD GPUs age gracefully, nVidia's GPUs end their lives in shame, with 960 beating 780Ti. But GPUs are not only about flops and doesn't cover things, such as geometry processing, for instance.
The cost of the 1060 is still 10% more than the 480 in some parts; in others, they have the same.
Why? Because they have about the same performance now. (DX11/12 +- titles)
So those owners who initially bought a 1060 at a surplus price have done a worse deal than the 480 buyers.
Making the early 480 adaptors "right" and the 1060 ones "wrong"
(basically, the card which was the cheapest for you at the moment was the correct card)
But this discrepancy will only increase in time.
It´s rather plain to see that the flops are way higher. In the end, that combined with DX12 will cause 480 owners to have a longer, better experience with their card.
Even the rushed dump of the 1060 by NV, which was clearly specced higher than they originally intended, can´t hide the strenght of the 480 in the end.
Fiji was 28nm, so was Grenada. Grenada was pretty much being phased out in retail supply when Polaris was gonna hit retail. So I reckon Fiji had also stopped being produced. It was no way as popular as Hawaii/Grenada, so unlikely to keep selling due to demand and pricing. I would assume margins must have also been smaller compared with Hawaii/Grenada, so doubt that whole supply channel had room to keep making and lowering the price to make it sell.
Past 5 months off and on Fury has been under £300 at etailers, I just reckon even if the relative performance has been better on Fiji buyers just go RX 480 or GTX 1060. Hmm I don't think AMD went AIO on Fury X just due the spec of GPU, I think it was to give a better quieter product.
290X TDP 290W - reference design had blower, which was noisy, etc.
390X TDP 275W - reference design had blower, which was noisy, etc.
Fury X TDP 275W - reference design AIO unit, not noisy, etc.
I'll be honest I got a Fury/X in March 16 just to try, I ended up keeping it :) . I had a Vapor-X 290X at the time, as I could sell that for no loss and swap to Fury X which didn't need the cost of custom water cooling it was a no brainer to keep it. Due to the promo price/cashback site I used the Fury X was costing me ~£250 back in March 16 :D .
They Fury Tri-X and Fury X were way quieter and cooler running cards than any of the Hawaii cards I have owned. I have owned 3x 290 Tri-X, 1x Vapor-X 290X and 1x Asus DCUII 290X. The Fury Tri-X I even unlocked to 3840SP which when benched against the genuine Fury X was on par for performance in some things I tested.
I do agree for the SP count Fiji really should perform so much better, I do not know much about GPU architecture, small discussion I had with The Stilt it boiled down to ROPs.
I would only play games in DX12 using nVidia if it's a GameWorks or nVidia paid games like Tomb Raider and shit, that's the only time nVidia crap works well on dx12.
For sure though AMD has failed to optimize as well as they could in the past on easier to run games, and they just waited for games to get harder to run for full SP saturation (Instead of programing so they can run lighter loads more efficiently). However I would say AMD is improving on this front quite a lot lately. Once again I point out that AMD doesn't want to release Enthusiast cards until they fully nip that driver optimization problem in the butt.
But sadly, AMD never made a decisive profit from those cards. Yet, Nvidia was swimming with money. AMD lost the advantage with Maxwell, but sooner than later, with Raja on the helm, I hope they get what they deserve.
Anyway, apologies for my rather foolish and childish posts, but with RX 480 getting better and better after new updates, people should in some extent avoid bragging launch day performance.
Some good explanations here:
www.anandtech.com/show/9124/amd-dives-deep-on-asynchronous-shading
www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/9
I would love to know who makes these decisions...
-The example I gave with the 290X vs 7970
-Based on TFLOPs and effective bandwidth the 390X shouldn't really be any stronger than the 480 (It should be 10% weaker based on the IPC increase from GCN 4.0). And yet, the 390X still maintains a 10% lead.
-Consider how SO MANY cut down AMD cards perform almost the same as their full brethren (7950, 290, Fury, 470) even with as many as 15% less SP's. (It isn't just because they share the same bandwidth)
-Nvidia cards almost always have FAR more ROP's than their AMD counterparts, and this explains how they can get along with less bandwidth (Until they choke a year after they come out lol). Afterall ROP's are what feed the bandwidth.
^I would like this dev to explain these things.
When Nvidia went for tiled rendering (a feature that allows more efficient use of resources and thus lower power usage), AMD went and stuffed so many shaders onto the GPU, they couldn't feed them effectively (they needed async for that). Apparently this is hailed as futureproofing these days.
Also, my two 390X toxic GPUs didn't score much more than my 290X Tri-X cards did. The 390s were a big waste of money.