Thursday, March 2nd 2017

AMD's Ryzen Debut: Onwards to the HEDT Market or The Stumbling Hype Train

I should break down the bad news first: we here at TechPowerUp won't be able to provide you with a timely, straight-from-the-oven Ryzen review. Like some other publications, our Ryzen review sample failed to arrive on time. And trust us - we did will it to do so as much as we could, risking a Stranger-Things-esque nosebleed. Alas, to no avail.

The good news is that while we won't be able to offer you our own review of AMD and Jim Kellers' latest high-performance x86 brainchild, we will still strive to bring you meaningful coverage on it. This article aims to make an overall aggregation on review consensus, benchmarks and capabilities of the newest AMD CPU. Trying to add something, we'll also try and evaluate whether AMD learned - or didn't learn - something from its Bulldozer launch fiasco, in a pure marketing perspective. This will justify the editorialized nature of this article, but only after we dive straight to the numbers. Without further ado, follow on to the numbers.
Multimedia, Encoding, Scientific
Reviews show consensus in that Ryzen is a powerhouse of a processor when it comes to multimedia and encoding workloads, mostly crushing Intel's competition - even in comparisons between chips with an identical number of cores. We've taken results from AnandTech, Tom's Hardware, Techspot, and Ars Technica, so as to be able to show you what different publications achieved with their Ryzen samples.
The results really do speak from themselves: AMD's Ryzen are beastly workstation CPUs, pulverizing any competition that Intel has to offer purely in price/performance ratio - and yes, what you see up there is a $499, 95W Ryzen 7 1800X offering more than double the price/performance ratio of Intel's $1089, 140 W i7 6900K. What this represents is AMD's best-case scenario of optimization and performance, and here you can see where all the hype landed: AMD's ZEN architecture posting amazing single-threaded scores in Cinebench against all Intel processors that are even remotely clocked at the same levels. AMD seemingly has the best architecture for these kinds of workloads. Office, scientific, multimedia and encoding workloads seem to be the best fit for AMD's Ryzen, with reviewers far and wide praising the performance and power consumption in these scenarios. AMD truly delivered on the hype train, at least on this side of the equation.

While their chip may not be the fastest in every single benchmark, once you take into account some measure of pricing/performance considerations, Intel's solutions fall flat. The Ryzen 7 1800X absolutely trounces - and I mean, trounces - Intel's i7-6900K and i7-6950X in any performance/watt scenarios, which has typically been a hard playground for AMD. AMD's Ryzen is nothing short of a miracle for AMD in performance/watt terms, and is a culmination of the hype train AMD so thoroughly rode. AMD's Ryzen debut challenges even Kaby Lake in the per-core/power equation, something most of us never dreamed of seeing before. This, backed by AMD's almost revolutionary jump in IPC and single-thread performance, really is a chip to end all others, such as it stands.

Another point to consider is that AMD's Ryzen platform does all of this with measly dual-channel memory, and still goes on to beat Intel's HEDT designs which feature quad-channel memory. This really does go on to show how Intel's approach to the market and its processor and platform design has been clouded in smoke and mirrors, with no real performance advantages to be derived from them.

Gaming
Gaming, however, is another story. If you're looking for the best performer, bar none, for gaming, and have no other use for your PC's beating heart, the Core i7-7700K still remains your best performance bet, due to its inherently strong architecture and freak core-clocks. While AMD doesn't in any way steal the gaming crown from Intel, they did a damn good job at getting back on the gamer's radar. Ryzen is, above all, a competent performer, and a far cry from AMD's defunct Bulldozer and derivatives.
Overall, AMD's solutions are slower than their Intel counterparts in pure FPS terms. Sometimes, the actual difference, while favoring Intel's CPUs, is negligible in pure fluidity terms; in others, the difference is markedly in Intel's favor. However, we can be looking at some bugs and needed optimizations on Ryzen's microcode and software updates for gaming and applications. AMD is fast to claim that it's working with software developers to patch and improve Ryzen support, claiming that its architecture is different enough to warrant some performance outliers. If one looks towards gaming at higher resolutions and with all eye-candy turned up to 11, however, like most of us like to play, suddenly the differences between chips seem to be minimal. Furthermore, AMD has recognized that its gaming performance needs improving, and says it expects "higher performance to occur throughout Q1 and Q2" as it works with developers and engine-makers to get Ryzen up to snuff. Oxide Games' Brad Wardell, for one, mentioned that Ashes of the Singularity currently isn't optimized for Ryzen, and promised future updates would increase performance.

Other things seem to point to some underlying issues: some games show better performance with AMD's SMT disabled. AMD also says that Window's power profiles may adversely affect performance, recommending the SO's High Performance Profile. Also, some games show higher performance on Ryzen with their DX12 code-paths (Hitman), while others show lower performance with it (Rise of the Tomb Raider.) AMD also suggest disabling the HPET (High Precision Event Timer), either in the BIOS or operating system, to gain a 5-8% advantage. AMD has also reportedly informed technology partners about the need to improve microcode on Ryzen in regards to memory performance, which could be negatively affecting performance. AMD has apparently ut all of its available microcode optimizations in time for launch on the CPU cores side of the equation, somewhat leaving memory throughput, performance and latency a little on the green side. This could very well be part of the reason why the Ryzen processors don't fare so well under gaming environments.

Review consensus: AMD's Ryzen chips are promising, but are mostly - and at least for now - superseded by Intel's quad-core i7-7700K (as are most processors in Intel's line-up, for that matter), in pure gaming terms. If gaming is your primary concern, the best performing one is still the i7-7700K. This is surely disappointing from a hype-train perspective. And even if one can call AMD's Ryzen processors disappointing in gaming terms, one can also surely call Intel's chips disappointing in multimedia and encoding tasks after seeing Ryzen's debut. It's a shame, considering all the fuss about low-level APIs, DirectX 12, and all the uttered advantages of the PS4 and XBOX One multi-core CPU approaches that some more improvements still haven't been done in regards to multi-threading capability and core scalability in gaming. A last note goes to AMD's improvement over its defunct Bulldozer architecture: the improvements are such that it starts looking ridiculous.

One other thing some reviewers touched upon was gaming fluidity. Whereas Intel's i7-7700K may often post the best results in pure FPS terms, some reviewers pointed towards a prevalence of dropped frames on Intel's processor - slight hiccups in gaming that mar the otherwise stellar experience. Apparently, AMD's Ryzen 7 processors feature no such hiccups, beating Intel's i7-7700K in that regard. It is a case, it seems, of subjective experience carrying something unseen by FPS counters - to a certain degree.

Overclocking
Overclocking on Ryzen 7's chips seems to top out at 4.1 GHz (from its stock 3.6 GHz), with Techspot's Steven Walton achieving that clockspeed with a 1800X, with voltage on auto, which saw the motherboard boosting it to around 1.35v when under load. The 1700X chip, however, only managed to make 3.95GHz (from its stock 3.4 GHz). Other reviewers seemed to hit the same walls, at least on air-cooling. This seems to point to a degree of binning in the chip's allocation to either 1800X or 1700X, as would be expected, and seems to point towards a 500 MHz overclocking ceiling .

Paul Alcorn over at Tom's Hardware managed to achieve a Prime95-stable 4 GHz clock rate at 1.425V using Asus' Crosshair V Hero (with load-line calibration set to Auto), with the highest temperature being at 82°C during the stress test.

A slight note to AMD's Ryzen Master software, which the company debuted alongside its Ryzen processors, which allows you to tune a number of variables, such as the CPU's ratio multiplier, voltage, and memory speeds, from inside the operating system.
The bottom line
AMD arguably did everything right in the build-up to its Ryzen launch, the company's premier new CPU architecture that's touted to finally make it a serious contender to Intel's domination of the high-performance x86 architecture. With an under-performing and seriously outgunned architecture design on its Bulldozer line of processors - which married brains and brawn in all the wrong places - AMD found itself on a downhill battle for market share. Coupled with an over-promising, over-reaching marketing campaign, the consensus from the enthusiast community was a deserved one for AMD: the company had blatantly lied with regards to its CPUs prowess and capabilities. Lofty performance claims were the bullet-ridden corpses of AMD's dreams, made to cover a single fact: Bulldozer wasn't good enough for its surrounding environment.

A multitude of variables contributed to this particular equation: the cost in time and resources to develop with a multi-threaded workload in mind; the fact that the vast majority of consumers still carried either dual-core or quad-core systems; and Intel's own stance on the processor market, leveraging its indubitably better CPU architecture towards a steady stream of quantifiable yet unremarkable improvements over the years... Whilst keeping core-count increases away from the mainstream market through wallet-murdering pricing. Coupled with a slower than expected transition to GPU-leveraged computing tasks meant AMD's Bulldozer was ill-suited for the workloads that actually existed, much to the chagrin of many customers: that the 4-module, 8-thread 3.6GHz FX-8150 (Zambezi) generally (yet not always) led the 3.3GHz 6-core, 6-thread Phenom II X6 1100T (Thuban) K10 - but generally fell flat, performance-wise, of the 3.3GHz 4-core, 4-thread Core i5-2500 (Sandy Bridge). Lofty performance goals were cried from terraces, but when plied with scrutiny... Failed to keep in balance.

AMD's vision for Bulldozer hinged on the belief for fastly-developing multi-threaded workloads and the precipitous offload of floating point workloads to GPUs. This belief stemmed from AMD's much vaunted, then downplayed, Fusion strategy: the integration of CPU cores and GPU cores into accelerated processing units (APUs) so that mathematical tasks can use the GPU cores. Bulldozer was supposed to usher in a multi-threaded, GPU compute accelerated world. Thus, the problem with Bulldozer stemmed partly from an excessive confidence in the computing and software ecosystems. But it also has to be said that AMD maybe sacrificed too much, too soon, in regards to its generally strong K10 architecture in the pursuit of higher parallelization. The software of those days benefited from strong single-threaded performance. And until now, not much has changed (as Bulldozer's iterations can attest), and most likely won't change. Intel's decade-long approach - to have fewer, wider cores, and extract higher parallelism through the usage of Hyper-Threading - is now AMD's own as well.

Cue the Ryzen launch, and it would almost seem to be mirroring AMD's Bulldozer claims: lofty 40% improvement over the previous architecture claims were met with lukewarm enthusiasm and mild distrust from general consumers, enthusiasts and tech industry experts alike. That a company worth many times less than Intel, with a fraction of it's R&D budget, and which bled money for years, tearing itself apart with spin-offs, sales and lease-back of their own infrastructures could manage to achieve that kind of a performance uptick was a hard pill to swallow. And even so -that would hardly make it competitive with Intel's products. Follow the trickle of leaks and performance hints grew to instill confidence and enthusiasm in the x86 landscape as few times before it.

Ryzen is a return to form by AMD: a simultaneous return to the fold of the slowly-advancing ecosystem, with strong single-thread performance (right up within Intel's range), amazing multi-thread performance, and a level playing field with Intel through the use of SMT; and a look ahead at the future, with the company firmly planting its roots on a higher core-count approach without sacrificing single-threaded performance. It's one of those rare cases of having your cake and eating it too: AMD's Ryzen debut is a serious shakedown of the high-performance x86 market, having prompted various responses from Intel even before the chips were in consumers' hands. With Ryzen being what it is, and costing what it does, AMD will be stoking the furnaces at Intel for some much-delayed innovation and advancements - even if simply in core-count terms. AMD is by no means a saint, but in this case, this is most likely a turning point in the entire x86 hardware and software ecosystem - prompting a race for the pursuit of no holds-barred, increasingly-higher performance and core counts. That AMD's Ryzen is a tad disappointing in gaming terms has a measure of truth - though those differences seem to fade in high-settings, full-blown graphical presentations. But that AMD's Ryzen is a market-bending force in the multimedia, encoding and scientific workloads is a fact unto itself. And if you throw price-performance considerations into the mix, AMD's Ryzen is close to the second coming of the high-performance x86 market. It's not perfect. But it's definitely great.

AMD's toils resulted in Ryzen. A new horizon in the high-performance computing segment. And now, the ball is firmly in Intel's court, and I for one am eagerly expecting the blue giant's move.

Late edit: A last note goes to the fact that AMD's stock fell by 5.3% during the first two hours of Ryzen's launch. However, the trend has already reversed. As always, when a given product fails to hit all of the impossible marks set upon it by a hype train, Wall Street knee-jerks. However, I would say that the overturning that has already happened is here to stay, and will continue climbing to somewhere closer to AMD's pre-Ryzen-launch levels. Ryzen is a great chip, and has the potential to completely turn things around in the workstation and server market if its execution goes as planned, and even its gaming performance is subject to some measure of improvement in the coming months. AMD managed to deliver an incredible architecture from a very tight spot. Everyone will be able to see that, in time. But now, we're all still reeling from some measure of broken dreams and impossible expectations.
Sources: Techspot, Tom's Hardware, AnandTech, ArsTechnica
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160 Comments on AMD's Ryzen Debut: Onwards to the HEDT Market or The Stumbling Hype Train

#51
YautjaLord
Crit (Logan, this guy is metalhead of hardware YT reviewers is he? :)), Linus & Bitwit reviewed this 1800X beast; DOOM & GTA V @ 2160p/4k in Bitwit's review favor 6900K, though not by much. Also, 1+ to what the54thvoid said - workstation powerhouse with 4k capabilities, just not so uber as expected. I'd still vote with my wallet for both i7 7700K & R7 1800X rigs to see how both trade blows in all games i have + DOOM (later this year) @ 2160p while also running Blender (on both rigs) at the same time.

P.S. Should mention: i also have a sh1t to do in Blender for Carmageddon: Reincarnation & Carmageddon: Max Damage (basically Reincarnation++) plus wanna see how both games play & look @ 4k. :) Cheers.
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#52
Raendor
phanbuey"
One thing I did notice is that all the games I have looked at so far -- which is considerably more than the four shown here -- were smooth on the Ryzen processors. GTA 5 for example plays really well on the Core i7-7700K, but every now and then a small stutter can be noticed, while the 1800X runs as smooth as silk, sans stuttering from what I observed.

I found a similar situation when testing Battlefield 1. Performance was smooth with the Ryzen processors while every now and then the quad-core 7700K had a small hiccup. These were rare but it was something I didn't notice when using the 1800X and 1700X. But as smooth as the experience was, it doesn't change the fact that gamers running a high refresh rate monitor may be better served by a higher clocked Core i7-6700K or 7700K."

^^^ This... is so true... i experience this every day.

The intell z170/270 platforms hitch, and then continue bombing along at 200FPS; I would gladly trade avg fps for a hitch free performance.


www.techspot.com/review/1345-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x/page7.html
There's no hitch and it must be either something wrong with your setup, OS, connection, etc as I never had single hitch in BF1 on my 6700k and 1080 since the day of its release and never saw a review with such issue in place.
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#53
phanbuey
RaendorThere's no hitch and it must be either something wrong with your setup, OS, connection, etc as I never had single hitch in BF1 on my 6700k and 1080 since the day of its release and never saw a review with such issue in place.
Well you saw it in a review on a 7700k - and I was sad to see it in my setup...

It could be Gsync, it could be my mobo and some sort of PCI-e / m2 or USB3.1 IO issue - but the hitching is definitely present - subtle but there.

Taking out the m2 ssd reduced it substantially (it was really bad before and coincided with disk access) - dropping down to sata 6 ssd made it better, but its still there -- i suspect its my PCI-E wifi card, but im not willing to give that up.

Either way the 6700K is not consistently smooth on my z170, and ive seen other people mention the same.
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#54
thebluebumblebee
EroticusWhat happened with TPU .... ?
In that specific instance, it was fitting. His frustration had been building since the superb HD5870.
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#55
erocker
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Better than Phenom's launch.. I'll wait for Phenom II... Erm.. Ryzen II.
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#56
snakefist
It is not unlike what I've expected - 8 cores / 16 threads; there are uses for that... And gaming isn't the best one. Probably more than half of these cores sits quietly doing nothing, while the rest utilise one thread - and it's probably the best case scenario... Intel still has single thread advantage, and sadly most of today's software doesn't utilise enough cores. Or threads (i7/i5 gaming). Or APUs computing power. Or other useful things.

In software that needs high parallelism, Ryzen shines, especially in price/performance.

Personally, I'm most interested in cheapest 4/4 variant (one going against faster Pentiums and i3) and 4/8 (they say i3, I hope for something more like i5). Yes, and APUs with similar characteristics. How much they OC? What are advantages of 6/8 cores in real-life scenarios - in other words, are those enough? With small price differences, they *should* be a match for Intel offerings. Or adjusted to become that.

People should read the reviews right. Since I don't render things 24/7 and compress video material very rarely, those tests mean little to me. In fact, users who need these features are probably thrilled by performance or at least price/performance.

For me, I look for tests that apply to what I do - there's nothing wrong having everything tested in a review, except they are not equally important for everyone. This batch of tests proves that Ryzen is quite a decent contender, and that models suiting my needs will probably be the same.
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#57
VSG
Editor, Reviews & News
I disagree with the Facebook post, it's borderline baiting. This article as it is now is fine in my opinion.
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#58
Vellinious
phanbueyI don't think those are going to perform that well...

Pure speculation here = but it doesn't seem like power/temps are the limiting factor on the core speed right now. In fact they could have packed another set of cores onto the ryzen for a 12 ct that would match the Intel 8c power wise...
I think you're missing the fact that with the smaller processes, in both GPU and CPU, temps are a limiting factor, even if they aren't reaching their "maximum temp" before throttling. Maxwell, Pascal, Broadwell-E, all run better, with lower voltages at the same clocks, at lower temps.

IF, and it's a big if...but IF, that holds true with Ryzen as well, as I suspect it will, then the 4 core / 8 thread processor should have more headroom for overclocking, and thus add to the single core performance to get them closer to their Intel counterparts.
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#59
HD64G
R0H1TYes, as it's been rightly pointed out that SMT is the culprit here. This will need another OS hotfix, just like the last one for Piledriver, however SMT gains (outside of games) are greater for AMD in just their first try.
Those gaming results with SMT on and off clearly shows that the way SMT is working in Ryzen benefits only sw made to utilise more than 8 threads while games use up to 8 atm. So, anyone wanting to relax from producing content and turn to gaming can just disable SMT and have the best of both worlds in one PC setup. For the cost of it it is a win for enthusiasts imho. Pure gamers will wait a month and get the 1600X and turn SMT off and have fun. And when multitasking is in program turn it on again.
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#60
lexluthermiester
erekVery disappointing 1080p Gaming Performance
You need glasses.. Or perhaps learn how to read..
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#61
Raendor
phanbueyWell you saw it in a review on a 7700k - and I was sad to see it in my setup...

It could be Gsync, it could be my mobo and some sort of PCI-e / m2 or USB3.1 IO issue - but the hitching is definitely present - subtle but there.

Taking out the m2 ssd reduced it substantially (it was really bad before and coincided with disk access) - dropping down to sata 6 ssd made it better, but its still there -- i suspect its my PCI-E wifi card, but im not willing to give that up.

Either way the 6700K is not consistently smooth on my z170, and ive seen other people mention the same.
It could be DX12 (if enabled). As I said, that's the first time I saw someone reporting an issue, trying to relate it to cpu. I never experienced a single hitch in bf1 or cpu usage spikes that could cause it. It was a smooth experience day one with 6700k and 1080 on 1440p gsync monitor, that doesn't save you from hitches if those occur. I'd look for a cause elswhere. Especially now that you've mentioned wifi card.
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#62
R0H1T
HD64GThose gaming results with SMT on and off clearly shows that the way SMT is working in Ryzen benefits only sw made to utilise more than 8 threads while games use up to 8 atm. So, anyone wanting to relax from producing content and turn to gaming can just disable SMT and have the best of both worlds in one PC setup. For the cost of it it is a win for enthusiasts imho. Pure gamers will wait a month and get the 1600X and turn SMT off and have fun. And when multitasking is in program turn it on again.
I think, at this point in time, it might just be an OS (scheduler) issue, we'll see if MS provides a quick fix for this.
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#63
cadaveca
My name is Dave
R0H1TYup, I guess everyone wanted a 5Ghz OC monster with eight channel memory & 60x pcie 4.0 lanes, while we are at it why doesn't AMD pay us to use Ryzen :rolleyes:
No, that's not it. I do have Ryzen here, and it isn't bad, its' just not perfect, either.
proxuserI just wonder how much Intel pay to you guys ?
oh Gawd, I wish. I've had Ryzen for nearly 48 hours, and I really feel this is BD 2.0, but this time, its actually exciting. Needs more frequency, seems a bit overpriced, but works amazingly well when you need all those cores. When you don't need the cores, the IPC is really close to intel, but Intel is just faster in raw clocks right now. Base speed is low, but so is power consumption, where BD had high power use.
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#64
R0H1T
cadavecaNo, that's not it. I do have Ryzen here, and it isn't bad, its' just not perfect, either.
That is to be expected, a new CPU uarch, better SMT, clocks about the same as BDW-E & needs some OS fixes.
If one needs X99 perks, like quad channel mem or 40x pcie 3.0 lanes, they'll have to shell out a premium. You can't have your cake & eat it too, I suspect Naples could be better in that regard.
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#65
ensabrenoir
proxuserI just wonder how much Intel pay to you guys ?
....er.....nothing. :) No one hates Amd.....a lot of people just get a "ryze" out of trolling the over hpers who acted like Amd are saints who fight for the little guys and their products are the digital next coming or something.
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#66
phanbuey
My wife keeps calling it "Raisin".
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#67
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
Since the primary use for my PC is gaming, I'm disappointed with Ryzen and will be sticking with Intel for my next upgrade. It would have been nice to have an 8 core CPU with 16 threads in my rig. :ohwell:

However, AMD has done an incredible job at getting back in the game with Ryzen and should help to keep a lid on Intel prices, so maybe Ryzen 2 will finally be able to beat Intel and become the CPU of choice for us gamers.

Also, is there a chance that the quad core Ryzen 5 CPUs will be cherry overclockers and hence match Intel that way?

@Raevenlord great article as usual and I hope that Ryzen sample isn't delayed much longer for TPU.
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#68
zAAm
I'll be waiting for all the hot-fixes and driver and BIOS updates to come out and then we'll see how it goes.

Since I've had my i7 920 now for going on 9 years, it might pay off to go with more cores just for future proofing vs the 7700K... And let's be honest, even an i5 is fine for most games these days.
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#69
TheoneandonlyMrK
MescalambaSo, it ended better than I expected. Except the usual "software needs tuning". Thats one of AMD ages lasting problem with software somehow needed to be fixed or tuned to actually work well with them. Bit irritating. Especially since sometimes software is never actually fixed to work really well with it.. and then you wait and wait. And buy Intel.

Also that single thread leaves something to be desired..

But on positive notes, its fast, its cheap. Only problem is that migrating to this would require me buying new mobo, new ram and new CPU.

Think I will rather move towards X99..
Intel's compiler hasn't changed much neither have their cores so yes they work as expected out of the box, Innovation though takes time and effort, good god why am I skint at the worse times.
Ie all the same time.
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#70
dalekdukesboy
phanbueyMy wife keeps calling it "Raisin".
Hey, don't want to hear about how your wife describes you after you get out of shower!
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#71
lexluthermiester
dalekdukesboyHey, don't want to hear about how your wife describes you after you get out of shower!
Aww now come on now, that was low...
[pun intended]
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#72
Jism
R0H1TThat is to be expected, a new CPU uarch, better SMT, clocks about the same as BDW-E & needs some OS fixes.
If one needs X99 perks, like quad channel mem or 40x pcie 3.0 lanes, they'll have to shell out a premium. You can't have your cake & eat it too, I suspect Naples could be better in that regard.
Boom. Right in the kisser. So AMD did create a CPU that is able to compete with a twice as expensive Intel CPU. They did a very good job if you ask me. Right back into the game.

I'm going to pick my components this weekend for an AM4 system. I'm convinced. :) Time to put the 8320 to rest.
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#73
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
phanbueyMy wife keeps calling it "Raisin".
haha! :laugh:
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#74
Eroticus
"This video shows raw benchmarks captured with the AMD Ryzen 1700 (3.9GHz) CPU versus the i7 7700K (5GHz) from Intel. GPU is GTX 1080. For more details on test systems and full review, please refer to my 1700 review."

Almost same fps, and GPU on AM4 board run 4~6*c cooler.

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#75
dalekdukesboy
RaevenlordIndeed. We were toying with how best to present this. There is some measure of hype train crashing, but there is also a lot to like. Overall, Ryzen is at its best, stellar, and at its worst, competitive with Intel's solutions. So, I tried to bring those two up in the final title.



Thanks =) Acorn sounds so much more natural though :p
MescalambaSo, it ended better than I expected. Except the usual "software needs tuning". Thats one of AMD ages lasting problem with software somehow needed to be fixed or tuned to actually work well with them. Bit irritating. Especially since sometimes software is never actually fixed to work really well with it.. and then you wait and wait. And buy Intel.

Also that single thread leaves something to be desired..

But on positive notes, its fast, its cheap. Only problem is that migrating to this would require me buying new mobo, new ram and new CPU.

Think I will rather move towards X99..
SasquiThe sure blew the walls off the price point for multi core applications! Got to hand it to them for that at least.
cadavecaNo, that's not it. I do have Ryzen here, and it isn't bad, its' just not perfect, either.




oh Gawd, I wish. I've had Ryzen for nearly 48 hours, and I really feel this is BD 2.0, but this time, its actually exciting. Needs more frequency, seems a bit overpriced, but works amazingly well when you need all those cores. When you don't need the cores, the IPC is really close to intel, but Intel is just faster in raw clocks right now. Base speed is low, but so is power consumption, where BD had high power use.
Sigh....where to begin with all of this.
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