Monday, March 27th 2017

AMD Ryzen 12-Core, 24-Thread CPU Surges on SiSoftware Sandra

In an interesting report that would give some credence to reports of AMD's take on the HEDT market, it would seem that some Ryzen chips with 12 Cores and 24 Threads are making the rounds. Having an entire platform built for a single processor would have always beenludicrous; now, AMD seems to be readying a true competitor to Intel's X99 and its supposed successor, X299 (though AMD does have an advantage in naming, if its upcoming X399 platform really does ship with that naming scheme.)
The CPU itself is an engineering sample, coded 2D2701A9UC9F4_32/27_N. Videocardz did a pretty god job on explaining what the nomenclature means, but for now, we do know this sample seems to be running at 2.7 GHz Base, and 3.2 GHz Boost clocks (not too shabby for a 12-core part, but a little on the anemic side when compared to previous reports on a 16-Core chip from AMD that would run at 3.1 GHz Base and 3.6 GHz Boost clocks.) What seems strange is the program's report on the available cache. 8x 8 MB is more than double what we would be expecting, considering that these 12-core parts probably make use of a die with 3 CCX's with 4x cores each, which feature 8 MB per CCX. So, 3 CCX's = 3x 8 MB, not 8x 8 MB, but this can probably be attributed to a software bug, considering the engineering-sample status of the chip.
Source: Videocardz
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72 Comments on AMD Ryzen 12-Core, 24-Thread CPU Surges on SiSoftware Sandra

#26
Gasaraki
DippyskoodlezPhones are on 4 for power saving, 4 for performance, and iPhones are still extremely competitive with their dual core designs.

Phones really don't need a bazillion cores, it generally creates more problems than it helps.
THANK YOU. People think MOR CORZ, BETTTA!!! AMD's been trying to sell you more cores for how long now? What is the fastest gaming processor RIGHT NOW? That's right, the 7700K. Even games that use multiple cores do better with the 7700K. The Apple A8 is faster than any of the Qualcomm, Exynos, and Kirin processor with 8 cores.

The IPC and raw clocks is what matters and so far Intel still has that advantage.

However, competition is good and I hope AMD can get something out that is faster than Intel.
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#27
kruk
GasarakiTHANK YOU. People think MOR CORZ, BETTTA!!! AMD's been trying to sell you more cores for how long now? What is the fastest gaming processor RIGHT NOW? That's right, the 7700K. Even games that use multiple cores do better with the 7700K. The Apple A8 is faster than any of the Qualcomm, Exynos, and Kirin processor with 8 cores.
You have no idea what you are talking about: this is not a CPU aimed at gamers!

edit: and you should know what segment it's aimed at, since you are using a hexacore Xeon
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#28
alucasa
6 core is still considered gaming cpu by the most.

A common issue with people at PC enthusiast forums is that their whole PC experience revolve around gaming and gaming only.
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#29
TheoneandonlyMrK
GasarakiTHANK YOU. People think MOR CORZ, BETTTA!!! AMD's been trying to sell you more cores for how long now? What is the fastest gaming processor RIGHT NOW? That's right, the 7700K. Even games that use multiple cores do better with the 7700K. The Apple A8 is faster than any of the Qualcomm, Exynos, and Kirin processor with 8 cores.

The IPC and raw clocks is what matters and so far Intel still has that advantage.

However, competition is good and I hope AMD can get something out that is faster than Intel.
can an iphone play crisis, no

And for the likes of me gaming at 4k that statement is total shit(go read up) , the 7700k is without doubt the best pure gaming cpu IF your at 1080p and by and large only play dx11 era games , welcome to the future yo,
the futures full of cores and im sorry mate, but theres feck all you dual and quad core loving crazy people can do about it, well you could get into retro gaming from here on in.

so an intel and apple fanboy , wow who knew they existed.

oh and amd know about raw clocks , my old cpu can still game at 5ghz (im sure ryzen(2,3) will get there)
and they certaintly have an eye on that IPC crown to put in the cupboard with the pawned on efficiency cup and the innovation cup as well as the price performance cup
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#30
Basard
alucasaI don't think even the mainstream media does that nowadays.
If they sited their sources they'd be laughed off the air.
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#31
alucasa
BasardIf they sited their sources they'd be laughed off the air.
Journalism 101 of nowadays.

Catch / create gossips.

Cite them as "anonymous sources" or "our sources"

Create articles outta ass.

Make it sound like doom and gloom.

New truth is born.
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#32
LucidStrike
TheLostSwedeI also don't see what was inappropriate with what I said
You seemed to assume it was an intentional omission rather than human error. Even now, you presume to explain, pointedly, the importance of proper attribution to someone who has already explained they always intended to source and just forgot. Basically, you were inappropriately harsh.

Sometimes, people are being callous, but sometimes they'really just being human.
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#33
alucasa
Wat? None of us is a human. We are all bots.
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#34
EarthDog
idxWarring : here comes the cores race! :fear:
Which most people shouldn't give a rats arse about...
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#35
DeathtoGnomes
alucasaWat? None of us is a human. We are all bots.
Go change your batteries your spell checker missed an H in What. :D:kookoo:

Great story still.
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#36
Relayer
alucasa6 core is still considered gaming cpu by the most.

A common issue with people at PC enthusiast forums is that their whole PC experience revolve around gaming and gaming only.
It tends to revolve around whatever their favorite brand is better at. ;)
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#37
HopelesslyFaithful
RaevenlordStrong, inappropriate wording there, when I mentioned their site on the article. The absence of source link was no more than a forgetful moment. And you will likely be happy to know that I had already included the source before I even set eyes on your comment. Maybe less rocks on hand would have been nice.

Thank you, anyway. I'm sure that your words weren't meant to say what they mean.
maybe try not to save face when you plagiarize and just say yea i already fixed it thanks.....you look worse when you try to defend a stupid error with posturing.

inappropriate wording....are you a child? Grow up.
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#38
jigar2speed
GasarakiTHANK YOU. People think MOR CORZ, BETTTA!!! AMD's been trying to sell you more cores for how long now? What is the fastest gaming processor RIGHT NOW? That's right, the 7700K. Even games that use multiple cores do better with the 7700K. The Apple A8 is faster than any of the Qualcomm, Exynos, and Kirin processor with 8 cores.

The IPC and raw clocks is what matters and so far Intel still has that advantage.

However, competition is good and I hope AMD can get something out that is faster than Intel.
Go home kid, you are discussing wrong things at wrong place. This CPU isn't for gaming, this is aimed at people who use computers to earn money.

EDIT: Its sad that it came from someone using a Xeon.
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#40
Vayra86
I'd be much more interested in seeing the amount of memory channels / quad channel on that platform than worries about that L3 cache.
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#41
HopelesslyFaithful
tiggerYup every home PC user needs 12 cores
I would take a 16 core in a heart beat to replace my 1650V3 if it was unlocked and supported ECC RAM.
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#42
lexluthermiester
RaevenlordStrong, inappropriate wording there, when I mentioned their site on the article. The absence of source link was no more than a forgetful moment. And you will likely be happy to know that I had already included the source before I even set eyes on your comment. Maybe less rocks on hand would have been nice.

Thank you, anyway. I'm sure that your words weren't meant to say what they mean.
I think you may have taken that far more harshly than he intended. I read that as a simple suggestion, not harsh criticism.
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#43
pantherx12
GasarakiTHANK YOU. People think MOR CORZ, BETTTA!!! AMD's been trying to sell you more cores for how long now? What is the fastest gaming processor RIGHT NOW? That's right, the 7700K. Even games that use multiple cores do better with the 7700K. The Apple A8 is faster than any of the Qualcomm, Exynos, and Kirin processor with 8 cores.

The IPC and raw clocks is what matters and so far Intel still has that advantage.

However, competition is good and I hope AMD can get something out that is faster than Intel.
What matters is end user requirements.

The i7700k would be a waste of my money for my use case ( gaming + abusing hardware anyway I can) . So my upgrade path at the moment is Intel or Amd 8 cores +. I'm seriously tempted to get the 16 core 32 thread hedt part if it turns out to be real and no more than twice the price of 1800x.

We're also hitting a kinda hard limit of what's possible with Silicon in terms of transistor size, we might get 7nm but I'm not holding my breath, we're at that point where not only is it hard to keep transistors in an off state because the electrons can jump the gap between the anode and cathode the wires( in chip) are so small that extra volts could just straight up burn them out.

So with that in mind more cores is going to be all we're likely to get now rather than much more power.

That i7700k could potentially really start to lag behind if hardware industry is being forced to move away from IPC and clock speeds. :) Have to admit though I'm no industry analyst but certainly seems we're heading into the many cores era.
tiggerYup every home PC user needs 12 cores
More cores equals more gigahertz, haven't you been on ebay?

The 1800x will be sold as a 32 ghz cpu ( possibly 64 if they count hyper threading lol)
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#44
Raevenlord
News Editor
krukYou have also forgotten a link here: www.techpowerup.com/231696/amds-elusive-polaris-12-makes-an-appearance-on-compubench and you ignored my hint to check if Polaris was LPP or LPE: www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amds-upcoming-rx-500-rebrands-to-use-lpp-process-higher-clocks-lower-power.231692/#post-3623708 (and you included the link to wccftech named BenchLife).

Please, take your time when writing news and always try to use multiple sources.
Thank you for bringing those up =) Fixed.

Some posts can't be used with multiple sources, when there is a single original source (either by leak or exclusive report). Others can. I'm not saying I always do one thing or the other, 100% correctly, but, there are always examples for one side, like yours, or mine.

There are also times when one can't answer, by forgetfulness or lack of time. Regarding your LPP and LPE hint, I did search, and found multiple reports claiming that the original Polaris was using LPP. Also, multiple reports that it was to use LPE. But all recent reports regarding the Polaris refresh mentioned how it was to use an LPP process. So, I chose to run with it.
ZoneDymounrelated to the article, but seeing the original post I have a hard time imagining how it could have been brought up any more friendly....
lexluthermiesterI think you may have taken that far more harshly than he intended. I read that as a simple suggestion, not harsh criticism.
Borrow was originally "Steal".
HopelesslyFaithfulmaybe try not to save face when you plagiarize and just say yea i already fixed it thanks.....you look worse when you try to defend a stupid error with posturing.

inappropriate wording....are you a child? Grow up.
Sure =) Whatever you say, bro.



Edit: merged double posts.
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#45
idx
DippyskoodlezPhones are on 4 for power saving, 4 for performance, and iPhones are still extremely competitive with their dual core designs.

Phones really don't need a bazillion cores, it generally creates more problems than it helps.
MediaTek X25 and X20 already on 10 cores.
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#46
alucasa
Hm, I vaguely recall AMD"s marketting tactics from more than a decade ago.

"Real man uses real core."
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#47
idx
GasarakiTHANK YOU. People think MOR CORZ, BETTTA!!! AMD's been trying to sell you more cores for how long now? What is the fastest gaming processor RIGHT NOW? That's right, the 7700K. Even games that use multiple cores do better with the 7700K. The Apple A8 is faster than any of the Qualcomm, Exynos, and Kirin processor with 8 cores.

The IPC and raw clocks is what matters and so far Intel still has that advantage.

However, competition is good and I hope AMD can get something out that is faster than Intel.
What is it that hurts you when someone want more than 4 cores ? I just dont get it.
alucasaHm, I vaguely recall AMD"s marketting tactics from more than a decade ago.

"Real man uses real core."
I also still recall intel saying "consumer DO NOT need more than 4GB ram, 32bit systems are here to stay...". That was when AMD started pushing for 64bit instructions ( right now it is in every single intel x64 CPU btw).
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#48
alucasa
32bit systems are still at large even now, especially in web hosting (server environment).

So, yeah, it's here to stay. I reckon it will take extra 20 years for 32bit to be fully phased out.

4gb system ram still works now.
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#49
idx
alucasa32bit systems are still at large even now, especially in web hosting (server environment).

So, yeah, it's here to stay. I reckon it will take extra 20 years for 32bit to be fully phased out.

4gb system ram still works now.
Software side yes (leftover, backward compatibility or for very limited systems). but the 4gb ram and 32bit cpu I highly doubt that this is even usable for anyone these days.
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#50
alucasa
On desktop, it's bare minimum.

Server side though? People still run on 256mb ram with stripped down unix on the cheap.
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