Tuesday, October 3rd 2017

Intel Core "Coffee Lake" Availability Scarce Until 2018: Report

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Intel's 8th generation Core "Coffee Lake" 6-core processors aim to restore the company's competitiveness in the mainstream-desktop (MSDT) platform, which eroded to AMD's unexpectedly successful Ryzen. The chips will hit the stores a little later this month, at price-points very close to the outgoing 7th generation Core "Kaby Lake" processors; although a report by SweClockers predicts that the chips will be scarcely available until early-2018.

Intel is launching "Coffee Lake" desktop processor family with a rather trimmed down lineup of six SKUs, two each under the Core i7, Core i5, and Core i3 brands, with the former two being 6-core, and the Core i3 being quad-core, marking an increase in core-counts across the board. While these chips will very much be available on launch-date in the retail channel, there could be an inventory shortage running all the way till Q1-2018.
Q1-2018 is particularly interesting, as that's when AMD is expected to launch its 2nd generation Ryzen processors, based on its new 12 nm "Pinnacle Ridge" silicon. This is expected to be an optical-shrink of the current "Summit Ridge" / "Zeppelin" die to GlobalFoundries' latest 12 nm node, which will allow AMD to increase clock speeds across the board at minimal power/thermal cost, restoring competitiveness lost to "Coffee Lake."
Source: SweClockers

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43 Comments on Intel Core "Coffee Lake" Availability Scarce Until 2018: Report

#26
Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
dicktracyYou're hitting a GPU bottleneck with a GTX 1080.
Here's an average of many games (to remove bias) with a GTX 1080ti:


Ryzen already bottlenecks a 1080ti. And what happens when Volta comes out? You'll need that Coffee Lake medication to keep up.
1080p? Too bad the 1080 Ti isn't really meant for 1080p gaming, and at 1440p/4K Ryzen is just barely slower, because demand is higher on GPU then again.
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#27
dicktracy
XzibitYou mean this one ?



Or these

Those are with a GTX 1080 where GPU bottleneck tend to occur. A 1080ti gets bottlenecked by Ryzen. It's no surprise that even the Radeon team used a 7700k to demonstrate Vega's graphical prowess instead of their very own CPUs. Maybe you should've used Hardware Unboxed as a reference when you tryna defend AMD since they're a well known bias site.
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#28
Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
dicktracyThose are with a GTX 1080 where GPU bottleneck tend to occur. A 1080ti gets bottlenecked by Ryzen. It's no surprise that even the Radeon team used a 7700k to demonstrate Vega's graphical prowess instead of their very own CPUs. Maybe you should've used Hardware Unboxed as a reference when you tryna defend AMD since they're a well known bias site.
AMD used Intel CPUs for Vega because Vega simply works better with less cores that have higher IPC. Nvidia drivers are more refined and make use of more cores, hence why they run very good with Ryzen as well. I also think AMD wanted to show maximum performance / take no risks, Ryzen would've slighlty reduced performance at least.
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#29
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
birdieI thought this was a news web site, not "we're AMD's fanboys" website.

Also, as much as people love to tout Zen CPUs, their IPC is not yet there, their OC'bility is nowhere and their top frequences are lacking. If you're not in a content creation business, you'll be better served by Intel.
This is a monumentally silly thing to say. He said Ryzen was "unexpectedly successfull", which is a true enough statement as the term "success" is about context and the context is probably market share (increasing compared to before Ryzen) and performance (generally competitive). That is all he said, not God Emperor AMD, master of all creation, made Ryzen, which is our Lord and Saviour the Christ of the LORD.

Tangential is how utterly fascinating it is how everyone is divided on everything these days, not just politcal matters. Someone said America is so divided you don't listen to the other part even if they agree with you, and this is echoed across the world in essentially every field.
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#30
Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
FrickTangential is how utterly fascinating it is how everyone is divided on everything these days, not just politcal matters. Someone said America is so divided you don't listen to the other part even if they agree with you, and this is echoed across the world in essentially every field.
I think people are especially overburdended by the Internet and what it does to you - make your life faster every day. It also means people have less sleep, less time to think about themselves, less time to concentrate on the really important things, etc. In the end, the world we're living in now, is very complicated and needs simplification, more concentration on whats really important and less concentration on many things that are popular in the net now. /sorry for offtopic
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#31
Flanker
At least the discussion isn't about paste vs solder this time.
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#32
Xzibit
dicktracyThose are with a GTX 1080 where GPU bottleneck tend to occur. A 1080ti gets bottlenecked by Ryzen. It's no surprise that even the Radeon team used a 7700k to demonstrate Vega's graphical prowess instead of their very own CPUs. Maybe you should've used Hardware Unboxed as a reference when you tryna defend AMD since they're a well known bias site.
AMD is selling a GPU for all computers not just AMD CPU based and the same goes for their CPUs.

No one is defending anything. Stick to facts and sources rather then these silly dramatic cheerleading.
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#33
laszlo
interesting how fast a thread/news can go completely off-topic lately... no mods to clean-up the mess?
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#34
bug
laszlointeresting how fast a thread/news can go completely off-topic lately... no mods to clean-up the mess?
You say "mess", they say "page hits" ;)
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#35
Tomorrow
laszlointeresting how fast a thread/news can go completely off-topic lately... no mods to clean-up the mess?
Haha. This is small time. You should see wccftech. The first hundred posts are usually memes with another hundred arguing unrelated topic and then another hundred showing off their computers. If you're lucky you may spot one or two readable comments in that sea of junk.

On TPU it is atleast somewhat civilized even when not completely on topic.
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#36
B-Real
dicktracyYou're hitting a GPU bottleneck with a GTX 1080.
Here's an average of many games (to remove bias) with a GTX 1080ti:


Ryzen already bottlenecks a 1080ti. And what happens when Volta comes out? You'll need that Coffee Lake medication to keep up.
Yeah, I'm still wondering how many of the 1080 Ti owners use it for 1080P gaming. Even the 1080 is not for FHD.
birdieI thought this was a news web site, not "we're AMD's fanboys" website.

Also, as much as people love to tout Zen CPUs, their IPC is not yet there, their OC'bility is nowhere and their top frequences are lacking. If you're not in a content creation business, you'll be better served by Intel.
You know what a new 6 or 6+ core -X Intel CPU does when overclocked? Gets hot. Very hot. You can OC them by about 400 MHz. You can do that with a 1600 or 1700 to. So what the heck are you talking about.
dicktracyMaybe you should've used Hardware Unboxed as a reference when you tryna defend AMD since they're a well known bias site.
Hell yeah, they are biased... wake up now.
FeelinFroggyI am afraid you are mistaken. The 7700k gets an average of 20% more fps in games than the 1600x.

Here is a review from 2 months ago.
Wonder why nearly every review site used the 1080 at tests. Maybe it is more likely they will use it with a 1070 or 1080 than a 1080Ti? Anyway, The 1600 is about 11-12% slower than the 7700K and costs nearly 50% less.
Hugh MungusWill ryzen @4ghz bottleneck 1080 (ti) or vega @1660mhz noticeably at 1440p with g-sync/freesync? Might not be able to get 8700k or even 8600k if this is true and I can always upgrade to the next zen cpu and x470 later I suppose, so ryzen might be my best bet.
Just compare FHD-1440P reviews of CPUs. The more the resolution is, the more important the GPU gets. It won't bottleneck them.
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#37
Durvelle27
dicktracyYou're hitting a GPU bottleneck with a GTX 1080.
Here's an average of many games (to remove bias) with a GTX 1080ti:


Ryzen already bottlenecks a 1080ti. And what happens when Volta comes out? You'll need that Coffee Lake medication to keep up.
You should really learn what a bottleneck is
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#38
StrayKAT
....and I thought I was going off topic merely talking about chipset differences :p
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#39
erocker
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z370 Asus boards have showed up on Newegg. I'm thinking there will be some available at midnight tonight.
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#41
Xzibit
FeelinFroggyI linked to the more recent one because AMD fans don't believe in the first reviews of Ryzen as legitimate. While you cherry pick results showing Battlefield 1 over and over again.
Why would you care what AMD fans think when your out to prove
FeelinFroggyI am afraid you are mistaken. The 7700k gets an average of 20% more fps in games than the 1600x.

Here is a review from 2 months ago. Look at the graphs.

www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-1920x-review/
Looks to me it was the only situation where that claim could be meet. When certain factors are meet. Would that not meet the definition of cherry picking more so then just showing links to what the majority of reviewers concluded ?
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#42
R0H1T
JackOneI think people are especially overburdended by the Internet and what it does to you - make your life faster every day. It also means people have less sleep, less time to think about themselves, less time to concentrate on the really important things, etc. In the end, the world we're living in now, is very complicated and needs simplification, more concentration on whats really important and less concentration on many things that are popular in the net now. /sorry for offtopic
We should all move to Amazon & start living with the native tribes, in the meantime drop your consoles or PC to the nearest orphanage or govt school, also start practicing yoga till you reach Brazil.

Yeah this is an age of information overload, too bad the politicians & their sponsors i.e. corporations, only care about themselves!
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#43
FeelinFroggy
XzibitWhy would you care what AMD fans think when your out to prove
I'm not out to prove anything, because I can read a chart.
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