No microATX!!?? :banghead:

Out of nowhere? GDC Is on Monday..

They are still releasing boards with chunky VRM heatsinks, smh. I had an M5A99X EVO AM3+ board that had better heatsinks with actual fins and that motherboard is 6 years old.

And I second the guy for not having u-ATX options yet. And almost no love for Mini-ITX from all the other manufacturers, one board from each just isn't enough.

This feels more like a Strix than a Crosshair. Could be Strix X470-E.

btarunrThis feels more like a Strix than a Crosshair. Could be Strix X470-E.

Definitely, although they might have changed what color scheme and looks boards have with their branding and did a switcheroo. Looks like some kind of board for the Asian gaming market from the close-up picture. It's very tame so I don't think anyone will be bothered by that.

IceShroomNo microATX!!?? :banghead:

Currently only Gigabyte has X370 based mATX motherboard, I am not sure why all manufacturers have neglected AM4 platform when it came to offering good mATX offerings. Doesn't seem like things will improve with Ryzen Refresh.

EntropyZThey are still releasing boards with chunky VRM heatsinks, smh. I had an M5A99X EVO AM3+ board that had better heatsinks with actual fins and that motherboard is 6 years old.

And I second the guy for not having u-ATX options yet. And almost no love for Mini-ITX from all the other manufacturers, one board from each just isn't enough.

ITX with One riser possibility for PCI-E 4x, 2x M2, 4dimms slots and I'm fucking sold.
Or introduce Extended ITX as a cross between µatx and ITX.

But ATX for me is absolutely dead and I really don't see the point of em anymore, The size came from the time where I had my USB pci card, my 2d card, my 3d card (voodoo) my soundcard ,network card and ohh lets not forget the ISDN modem card.
this is obviously not the case anymore and I wonder why people still likes them big o.0 compensating maybe :)

ImsochoboITX with One riser possibility for PCI-E 4x, 2x M2, 4dimms slots and I'm fucking sold.
Or introduce Extended ITX as a cross between µatx and ITX.

But ATX for me is absolutely dead and I really don't see the point of em anymore, The size came from the time where I had my USB pci card, my 2d card, my 3d card (voodoo) my soundcard ,network card and ohh lets not forget the ISDN modem card.
this is obviously not the case anymore and I wonder why people still likes them big o.0 compensating maybe :)

Some of us like to run with extra graphic cards, sound cards, video capture cards, internal WiFi cards or PCI-Ex storage cards.

Just because a platform is no longer suitable for your own needs/requirements does not mean that it's dead or that people are 'compensating' for something. People likes to use them as it fits their requirements.

To make a blanket statement like that just makes you look like a moron

FreedomEclipseSome of us like to run with extra graphic cards, sound cards, video capture cards, internal WiFi cards or PCI-Ex storage cards.

Just because a platform is no longer suitable for your own needs/requirements does not mean that it's dead or that people are 'compensating' for something. People likes to use them as it fits their requirements.

To make a blanket statement like that just makes you look like a moron

How many ?
The majority of parts sold is large ATX's and I'm the only idiot who runs microatx it seems and I questioned why is everyone blindly buying ATX?
Multi gpu is so rare, people use external dac's, no-one uses nics anymore (I am one though) and at most I've seen someone add a wifi card if the motherboard doesn't have it.

I'm not saying stop making ATX, but I was simply wondering why it's still the standard as it's 100% not a requirement for the masses.
But do search up computer builds posted online, that is enthusiasts and I hardly see any populated PCI-E apart from a single GPU.

And by the way, Multigpu works fine in µatx.

ImsochoboHow many ?
The majority of parts sold is large ATX's and I'm the only idiot who runs microatx it seems and I questioned why is everyone blindly buying ATX?
Multi gpu is so rare, people use external dac's, no-one uses nics anymore (I am one though) and at most I've seen someone add a wifi card if the motherboard doesn't have it.

Probably a fair bit im guessing if manufacturers are still making and pushing ATX boards. Sometimes its about that future upgradability of a platform. Not to forget those that populate all their vacant PCI-Ex slots with GPUs for things like F@H, WCG, BOINC & those that use their GPUs to encode massive videos and those working in in educational establishments and other professional places of work that need to run complex calculations with their Compute features GPUs offer. Some people might build their system into a Server and require spaces for multiple RAID cards.

Oh and cryptominers. They love the ATX

People arent blindly buying ATX (youre making blanket statements again) Its all about future upgradability. Some people might want to be able to plug in expansion cards rather than fork out for a new motherboard when they require some extra functionality. Things like Wifi cards, Soundcards, PCI-Ex NvMe Storage Cards, RAID cards. USB expansion cards, Video Capture cards.

It also leaves room to replace something on the motherboard if it dies. Ive had to install a USB 3.0 expansion card because the ones on mine died. Some just require the extra I/O --- Its all about giving the consumers choices and upgrade paths they can take to customise or get the most out of their PC rather than Locking them down to something they might need to fork out a lot more to upgrade further down the line.

Youre not an idiot Its just that you bought what you thought was right for you. you made your purchase based on your own needs.
Multi-GPu might of been more popular in the past but it is still here and there are loads of people that still run them even though AMD and Nvidia have kind of stepped back from hyping multi-GPu setups. It was a headache to get right and neither of them could really manage it 100% Some games worked really well while some games different and would not run very well and this issue was much more exacerbated on mutli-GPu setups that had more than 2 GPus. Its not as rare as you think though the market has been shifting towards single powerful GPu setups again.

I find the people who use external DACs a lot more rare tbh.

ImsochoboI'm not saying stop making ATX, but I was simply wondering why it's still the standard as it's 100% not a requirement for the masses.
But do search up computer builds posted online, that is enthusiasts and I hardly see any populated PCI-E apart from a single GPU.

And by the way, Multigpu works fine in µatx.

Like i said, Its about giving the consumer choices to do what they want and customise their machine the way they want. Everyone's requirements are different. Even yours and Multi-GPu might work fine but what if you want to add in a soundcard or video capture card or any other expansion card for that matter.... There wont be any room and you might be limited to a PCI-Ex 2x or 4x slot which might make what you want to install a bit of a problem.

I'd like to see more mATX options, especially something with high quality VRM. I do not want too big case or potential expansion slots. mATX is great, because it can easily offer 4 DIMM-slots and two PCI-E -slots with two slot graphic card. Only thing I need to add is a sound card and Wifi/Bluetooth adapter. I would appreciate integrated Wifi/Bluetooth chip though to save the last slot for something else.

I don't need ATX and ITX is too small.

FreedomEclipseI find the people who use external DACs a lot more rare tbh.

I believe that this market is clearly separated in two. Now they isn't really much point into buying a cheap soundcard, and High end mother board are even using high end chipset like ESS sabre.
People coming from pc first, or gamers and want to get into serious audio, without losing versatility (mic input, 5.1, 7.1) are the one who would look for high-end sound card. (even then creative and asus got good external solution , the flagship of creative is an external sound card even).

DAC seems like a diferent beast to me because those are pretty specialised product. For having lurking on Head-Fi for a while, I can say that creative and asus are not the most popular brand over there.
Creative is too gamer-ish and Asus took a while to be accepted " what do a computer company could possibly know about audio ? " External DAC from Schiit or FiiO are favorised because they get straight to the point : best audio for the price without bloat.

I just felt like you two were talking about similar, but yet different product, a pure headphone enthiusast will most likely find advice for an external dac rather than a soundcard.

I'm with those who say "more mATX".
Most home users these days can do absolutely fine with an mATX board and matching case, and that includes those enthusiasts who will combine a 2700X and something like a GTX 1070+

Any mention if these use AsMedia USB controllers?
:p

ArjaiAny mention if these use AsMedia USB controllers? :p

They do, from the specs given in the the user manuals

ASUS Prime X470-Pro: www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/2nd-gen-am4-mainboards-news-specs-reviews-bilder-2018-a-1188041-5.html#post26215802
ASUS ROG Strix X470-F Gaming: www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/2nd-gen-am4-mainboards-news-specs-reviews-bilder-2018-a-1188041-5.html#post26215948

FreedomEclipseSome of us like to run with extra graphic cards, sound cards, video capture cards, internal WiFi cards or PCI-Ex storage cards.

Just because a platform is no longer suitable for your own needs/requirements does not mean that it's dead or that people are 'compensating' for something. People likes to use them as it fits their requirements.

To make a blanket statement like that just makes you look like a moron

On the other hand, I can see where he is coming from, so I'll play devils advocate. You could fit a modern GPU, capture card, and PCIEx storage card on a micro ATX motherboard.

Dual GPU is mostly a dead horse now, nvidia and AMD really are not pouring too many resources into it, developers stopped caring years ago, and newer engines dont seem to support it properly. Sound cards are not a requirement for most people anymore. Toms hardware did a comparison and found that, with the same high end sound setup, the difference between the $2 onboard chip and a $150 dedicated sound card was basically 0. WiFi cards are obsolete, you can buy simple USB WIFI adapters that are smaller, cheaper, and work just as well. PCI-Ex storage is also incredibly niche, most users will still use sata SSDs, or use the m.2 ports on the mobo.

It really does beg the question, if most users have no need for ATX, where are all the mATX AM4 motherboards?