Tuesday, August 14th 2018

Intel X599 Chipset to Drive 28-core HEDT+ Platform

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The introduction of 32-core AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX at $1,799 has demolished the competitiveness of the similarly priced Core i9-7980XE, forcing Intel to "productize" its Skylake-X XCC (extreme core-count) silicon for the client-segment. We've already seen one or two motherboards for this platform at Computex, notably the ASUS ROG Dominus (pictured below). Intel's demo platform is reportedly powered by a GIGABYTE-made motherboard. Both these boards may have been prototypes based on Intel C629 "Lewisburg" chipset, as Intel was still mulling on whether to even launch the product.

With the 2990WX out, the fate of the client-segment cousin of the Xeon Platinum 8180 is sealed, and so is that of the C629. In its client-segment avatar, the chipset will be branded "Intel X599 Express." This chipset will support new SKUs derived from the "Skylake-X" XCC silicon (probably 24-core, 26-core, and 28-core), in the LGA3647 package. The platform features not just up to 28 cores, but also a 6-channel DDR4 memory interface, which will probably support up to 192 GB of memory on the client-platform. There's also a rumor that Intel could launch new 20-core and 22-core LGA2066 processors. Those, coupled with the 8-core LGA1151 processor, will be Intel's fig-leaf until late-2019.
Source: HD Technologia

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68 Comments on Intel X599 Chipset to Drive 28-core HEDT+ Platform

#26
Captain_Tom
By the time this overpriced monstrosity is out, AMD will be near launching a 2-die version of their 32-core with Ryzen 3 Threadripper. It will cost $2000, it won't have the latency issues the 4-die version has, and DDR4 will hopefully be cheap enough to get 3600MHz+ as standard by then.

Intel is continuing to fight old battles they already lost...
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#27
halcyon
This silliness is all just a place holder until next year's PCIe 4.0 and new manufacturing processes.
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#28
nemesis.ie
Or will it be PCIe 5? Or are AMD going to wait until 2020 and the AM4 socket replacement?
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#29
StrayKAT
nemesis.ieOr will it be PCIe 5?
That's what I heard, but I agree with the sentiment. I didn't even want to upgrade to what I have now (x299), but I was forced to get a machine at this time anyways.
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#30
Dr_b_
If this ever does come to market, it will run very hot, have shitty thermal paste, and be an overpriced joke
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#31
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
nemesis.ieOr will it be PCIe 5? Or are AMD going to wait until 2020 and the AM4 socket replacement?
They are counting it as Generating 5 Ryzen.
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#32
R-T-B
StrayKATNot to be a party pooper, but 666/616 was just code for Nero Caesar, not Satan :p
Shh don't ruin the irrational fear...
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#33
GreiverBlade
StrayKATNot to be a party pooper, but 666/616 was just code for Nero Caesar, not Satan :p
nah ... 666 is the code for my Nicholas Saint day, which incidentally is also mine then: 6 (6+6)12 (well at last both, i and Nero Cesar are non fictional character and yep St Nicholas of Myra did also really exist ;) )
and 616 is only the code for the 167/168th day of the year :roll:

ohhh how i am quite proud of AMD CPU side recently ... well not with Threadripper ... since i am more gaming than encoding ... so a R6/7 2600X/700X would be enough ... specially for the price :laugh:

also good to see Intel reacting tho ... well ... less interesting at the moment :ohwell:
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#34
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
GreiverBladenah ... 666 is the code for my Nicholas Saint day, which incidentally is also mine then: 6 (6+6)12 (well at last both, i and Nero Cesar are non fictional character and yep St Nicholas of Myra did also really exist ;) )
and 616 is only the code for the 167/168th day of the year :roll:

ohhh how i am quite proud of AMD CPU side recently ... well not with Threadripper ... since i am more gaming than encoding ... so a R6/7 2600X/700X would be enough ... specially for the price :laugh:

also good to see Intel reacting tho ... well ... less interesting at the moment :ohwell:
2950X 4.4
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#35
StrayKAT
GreiverBladenah ... 666 is the code for my Nicholas Saint day, which incidentally is also mine then: 6 (6+6)12 (well at last both, i and Nero Cesar are non fictional character and yep St Nicholas of Myra did also really exist ;) )
and 616 is only the code for the 167/168th day of the year :roll:

ohhh how i am quite proud of AMD CPU side recently ... well not with Threadripper ... since i am more gaming than encoding ... so a R6/7 2600X/700X would be enough ... specially for the price :laugh:

also good to see Intel reacting tho ... well ... less interesting at the moment :ohwell:
St Nick was cool. He punched Arius and saved civilization.

We don't hear that one on Christmas much though.
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#36
Blueberries
Rarely do I look at a PC built by someone else and drool...
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#37
Nordic
Why does intel have to be wierd with a 28 core cpu? Why not a 32 core?
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#38
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
NordicWhy does intel have to be wierd with a 28 core cpu? Why not a 32 core?
Because Intel wants to undermine everyone that's why
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#39
efikkan
NordicWhy does intel have to be wierd with a 28 core cpu? Why not a 32 core?
Because it fits their core infrastructure.
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#40
Patriot
Welp, Intel's 5ghz overclock at computex vs AMD's threadripper overclock...
Intel revealed this CPU with a demo at Computex, and Anandtech reports that a system powered by the processor hit a score of 7,334 in the Cinebench R15 benchmark.
2990WX in Cinebench from overclocker Sampson who scored 8532 points in Cinebench R15 with a clock frequency of 5.367 GHz across all 32 cores.
Both drawing insane amounts of power.
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#41
Prima.Vera
NordicWhy does intel have to be wierd with a 28 core cpu? Why not a 32 core?
Blunt answer? Because they CAN'T. Due to ammount of transistors required the yields would be extremelly low and price even more ridicullously prohibitive. Also because of their architecture type.
AMD is using a 4 CPU die connectting 4x8 Cores CPUs making it a 32 Core. Very smart and ingineous aproach.
I bet all billions from Intel's research center that they will going to use the exact approach in the future, especially that 'you know who' joined the party.
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#42
efikkan
Prima.VeraBlunt answer? Because they CAN'T. Due to ammount of transistors required the yields would be extremelly low and price even more ridicullously prohibitive. Also because of their architecture type.
AMD is using a 4 CPU die connectting 4x8 Cores CPUs making it a 32 Core. Very smart and ingineous aproach.
I bet all billions from Intel's research center that they will going to use the exact approach in the future, especially that 'you know who' joined the party.
No, it's because their Skylake-SP die looks like this:

Notice the 6×5 layout, two cells are used for memory controllers, leaving space for 28 cores.
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#43
Solaris17
Super Dainty Moderator
phanbueyThe epeen and the upgrade path...
That is true, the upgrade path was drastically short, but to date I think this is the way its been for all HEDT playforms from intel (not like AMD has had one up until Zen) only 1366 lasted awhile IIRC. Eitherway, its not like the CPU is useless. Alot of HEDT users (I would hope anyway) outside of the gaming community (which this forum focus' on) hold on to these systems for a long while. IPC improvments etc are nice for sure on any architecture change be it AMD or Intel (Also how long has Zen 1 been out?) but the majority of HEDT users arent in it for clock rate or IPC gain, they need the cores.

I think even back in 1366 the "early" adopters that weren't gamers (that buy like every new platform) didnt jump ship from 1366 until 2011-v3 skipping an entire platform.

Of course thats not to say HEDT users and even myself dont like to game, its just that as far as gaming is concerned I wont need to platform upgrade for YEARS longer then the desktop releases as far as overall usability including gaming.

Thats my take on it anyway. AMDs Zen 2 is killer regardless, super cool.
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#44
StrayKAT
Solaris17That is true, the upgrade path was drastically short, but to date I think this is the way its been for all HEDT playforms from intel (not like AMD has had one up until Zen) only 1366 lasted awhile IIRC. Eitherway, its not like the CPU is useless. Alot of HEDT users (I would hope anyway) outside of the gaming community (which this forum focus' on) hold on to these systems for a long while. IPC improvments etc are nice for sure on any architecture change be it AMD or Intel (Also how long has Zen 1 been out?) but the majority of HEDT users arent in it for clock rate or IPC gain, they need the cores.

I think even back in 1366 the "early" adopters that weren't gamers (that buy like every new platform) didnt jump ship from 1366 until 2011-v3 skipping an entire platform.

Of course thats not to say HEDT users and even myself dont like to game, its just that as far as gaming is concerned I wont need to platform upgrade for YEARS longer then the desktop releases as far as overall usability including gaming.

Thats my take on it anyway. AMDs Zen 2 is killer regardless, super cool.
HEDT is more stable and slower moving. Like right now, they're based off of Skylake's design. And x99 is still selling at smaller quantities. That's basically 2 cpu generations behind.

I would have been a little more interested in AMD's take on it, but they don't really have a "lowend" of their HEDT line. It's all competing with the highest Skylake-X's.
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#45
Solaris17
Super Dainty Moderator
StrayKATIt's all competing with the highest Skylake-X's.
Thats true, but I dont blame them one bit, I think AMDs doing great in doing so and its a wise move. I cant say im an AMD guy anymore (not since brisbane) but im not a dick swing Intel dude either. AMDs response with zen 1 and now zen 2 must have made multiple mouths drop.
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#46
notb
Prima.VeraBlunt answer? Because they CAN'T. Due to ammount of transistors required the yields would be extremelly low and price even more ridicullously prohibitive.
No. It's a result of die design.
AMD is using a 4 CPU die connectting 4x8 Cores CPUs making it a 32 Core. Very smart and ingineous aproach.
Simple and cheap approach. It's a design aimed at lowering costs, not improving performance. And it starts to show in 16-32 core benchmarks.
I bet all billions from Intel's research center that they will going to use the exact approach in the future, especially that 'you know who' joined the party.
Zen approach scales badly with high core count. It's very unlikely that Intel makes something similar. Generally speaking: I'll miss ring bus, but Intel Mesh is still acceptable. I guess we have no choice in the "moar cores" era...
Notice how Intel went for 6 memory channels for 28 cores, while AMD remains with 4 channels. This will make a difference.
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#47
AlwaysHope
windwhirlIntel reacting to AMD using the same model number scheme, and being all like "Two can play that game".

It's so childish, but still gives me a good laugh
x86 desktop market is a monopolized duopoly. There is really no competition here in the true sense of the word. Underworld consumer coercion is the game.
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#48
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
AMD has threadripper
Intel has FuseTripper?
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#49
biffzinker
Prima.VeraAMD is using a 4 CPU die connectting 4x8 Cores
Correction it's two quad-core clusters (CCX) per die.
8 cores multiplied by 4 four individual dies on one PCB Substrate.
AlwaysHopex86 desktop market is a monopolized duopoly. There is really no competition here in the true sense of the word. Underworld consumer coercion is the game.
There's always VIA that might surprise.
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#50
dj-electric
MusselsAMD has threadripper
Intel has FuseTripper?
Per given core speed X core amount, the balance is actually tilted to the red side in this case
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