StrayKATI don't doubt you know your stuff, but everytime you talk, you're way over my head. ;)

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bugIf we forget they have been building integrated GPUs since forever and that they know best where their manufacturing stands, you are spot on :wtf:

integrated GPU does not equal a competent scaled up dGPU that can compete with nvidia. Not sure what you mean by they know where their manufacturing stands. If you were referring to 10nm and the fabrication process, they just cant get 10nm ready. They promised 10nm 2 years ago. So imagine this scenario, TSMC has a 7nm or even better process than intel, and intel is still fumbling with 10nm, or intel does make it work, but it costs a lot more and yields suck. So nvidia has a gpu on the better TSMC process, and intel has what exactly. The point with the 10nm thing is that intel has made a lot of promises, and *not* delivered on them, which is on point with the complaint about this amazing GPU they just announced to be released at some point in the future as a lot of hype.

Tons of marketing BS comes out of california from companies. Again, if they have something decent that works, and its actually better than what you can get from nvidia or amd, ill be standing in line with you all to get one. And I also may see a Unicorn too.

Dr_b_integrated GPU does not equal a competent scaled up dGPU that can compete with nvidia. Not sure what you mean by they know where their manufacturing stands. If you were referring to 10nm and the fabrication process, they just cant get 10nm ready. They promised 10nm 2 years ago. So imagine this scenario, TSMC has a 7nm or even better process than intel, and intel is still fumbling with 10nm, or intel does make it work, but it costs a lot more and yields suck. So nvidia has a gpu on the better TSMC process, and intel has what exactly. The point with the 10nm thing is that intel has made a lot of promises, and *not* delivered on them, which is on point with the complaint about this amazing GPU they just announced to be released at some point in the future as a lot of hype.

Tons of marketing BS comes out of california from companies. Again, if they have something decent that works, and its actually better than what you can get from nvidia or amd, ill be standing in line with you all to get one. And I also may see a Unicorn too.

Intel 10nm is roughly equivalent to others' 7nm. This keeps popping up to make them sound waaaay behind or something. I'm not blaming you, but it's kind of deceptive... whoever it is that started it.

It almost reminds me when RISC/PPC chips weren't pushing the same Mhz as Intel and the market instantly assumed they were vastly slower.. ignoring that they were different architectures.

StrayKATIntel 10nm is roughly equivalent to others' 7nm. This keeps popping up to make them sound waaaay behind or something. I'm not blaming you, but it's kind of deceptive... whoever it is that started it.

It almost reminds me when RISC/PPC chips weren't pushing the same Mhz as Intel and the market instantly assumed they were vastly slower.. ignoring that they were different architectures.

Was supposed to be equivalent to others' 7nm. But TSMC's 7nm is already out while there's no sight of Intel's 10nm, and we're hearing news (rumors) that they are going to give up on some of the performance to make it easier to mass produce at this point. By the time Intel releases something, TSMC will have already improved their 7nm further.

StrayKATIntel 10nm is roughly equivalent to others' 7nm. This keeps popping up to make them sound waaaay behind or something. I'm not blaming you, but it's kind of deceptive... whoever it is that started it.

It almost reminds me when RISC/PPC chips weren't pushing the same Mhz as Intel and the market instantly assumed they were vastly slower.. ignoring that they were different architectures.

Im aware of the claims manufacturers are making about the lithography, and that they are exaggerated. But let's say 7nm TSMC is equivalent to 10nm intel. If the rumours are true it will be out next year, before intel's 10nm. And TSMC could very well leapfrog and have a process advantage the next step down. The point here was that intel does not have a process advantage, and they claimed that it would be ready 2 years ago. In that sense, they are way behind themselves, as they used to have a process advantage. So intel will have to have a better design to compete, and I might actually see a Unicorn too.