Wednesday, September 12th 2018

AMD CEO Speaks with Jim Cramer About the "Secret Sauce" Behind its Giant-Killing Spree

Jim Cramer of CNBC Mad Money interviewed AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su on the floor of the NYSE remarking her company as the year's biggest tech turnaround stories. The two spoke a variety of topics, including how the company went from a single-digit stock and a loss-making entity to one of the hottest tech-stocks, which threatens both Intel and NVIDIA. Dr. Su placed emphasis on taking long term strategic decisions that bear fruit years down the line.

"We decided to make the right investments. Technology is all about making the right choices, where we're going to invest, and where we're not going to invest...three or four years ago, it was mobile phones, tablets, and IoT that were the sexy things, and we were like 'hey we know that those are good markets, but those are not AMD.' We focused on what we thought the future would hold for us," said Dr. Su. "We are making decisions now that you won't see the outcome of for the next 3-5 years. We're making some good decisions," she added.
AMD Can Stay Competitive Even If Intel Sorts Out Its Foundry Mess
AMD is armed with a deep CPU architecture roadmap going all the way down to "Zen 5," stated Dr. Su. She seems to express pride in some of the investment decisions taken in designing AMD processors, such as the way AMD is building its EPYC chips (a multi-chip module as opposed to a monolithic die that would have eaten up far more resources to design and manufacture alongside a smaller die). Right now AMD only has to manage two dies - a CPU-only die that builds Ryzen and EPYC processors; and a CPU+GPU die for Ryzen with Vega APUs and some of the company's mobile Ryzen SKUs.

There Can Be Many Winners in the GPU Market
Cramer's interview focused on the secrets behind AMD's giant-killing feat against Intel, which is saddled with not just a dated CPU architecture peppered with security holes, but also silicon fabrication foundry issues that are preventing an advance from 14 nanometer. Dr. Su mentioned that AMD does not count on competitors underperforming, and is mindful that the competition is "very strong." Towards the end of the interview, almost like a "one more thing," question, Cramer questioned how AMD's rivalry with NVIDIA is going. Dr. Su's response was crafty.

In the first part of her response to that question, she mentioned that "competition is good for the marketplace and GPUs is a great market, but I've always said that there can be multiple winners in this market." With this, AMD hinted that although its market-share in the discrete gaming GPU market is on the decline, there are areas where the company is winning. AMD rode, although conservatively, the crypto-mining boom over the last year with highly marked-up graphics cards; and is dominating the game console semi-custom SoC market.

AMD is Helping Both Microsoft and Sony with Their Own "Secret Sauce"
Elaborating on AMD's partnerships with competing firms Microsoft and Sony (in the gaming console market), Dr. Su stated that her company is providing semi-custom chips, and is helping both firms develop their own "secret sauce" for their consoles. The partnership with Microsoft spans not just consoles but also Windows and Azure. AMD could be working with Microsoft in future cloud-computing projects driven by its EPYC and Radeon Pro/Instinct products. "Our strength is that we can work with all customers and we can differentiate for each one of them."

You can catch the full video in the source link below.
Source: CNBC
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99 Comments on AMD CEO Speaks with Jim Cramer About the "Secret Sauce" Behind its Giant-Killing Spree

#26
B-Real
lasMeanwhile AMD completely lost the GPU market after GPU mining dried out
And yet better than last year's same period by about 1% or so. You should check numbers as a whole. It's obvious from your comments that you don't like AMD, but stay on the ground of facts and stories-actions of recent months and year.
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#27
las
FreedomEclipsePrice is irrelevant. AMD is clearly the winner here as they have the ENTIRE console market to themselves, and since the console market is so much bigger than the PC gaming market. AMD is king. So long as Nvidia are nowhere to be seen. They are winning.
Haha wrong. What matters is what AMD gets out of it. And it's not much. But a few dollars is better than no dollars. For AMD every penny counts.
Once again, Sony (especially) and Microsoft are the winners when looking at the console market. Not AMD.
B-RealAnd yet better than last year's same period by about 1% or so. You should check numbers first.
Why, it's a fact. Vega is a joke. 300W with 1070-1080 performance.
AMD sits at less than 15% GPU market share these days.
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#28
Imsochobo
lasGenerally Vega 64/56 performance is "fine" but watt usage is a problem for some since it heats up the entire PC and room. If you live in a cold place maybe it's a good thing :p

Vega 64 is around GTX 1080 performance I think. So it's decent.
Vega56 has performance per watt which is near a 1070TI and has the same performance, vega64 is well.. not so great :D
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#29
StrayKAT
Measuring raw performance is so 90s :D

Freesync, freesync, freesync /broken record

As tempted as I am to go back to Nvidia, I remind myself that AMD's whole display package is better. Same why I don't move to Zen...funnily.
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#30
Dimi
StrayKATMeasuring raw performance is so 90s :D

Freesync, freesync, freesync /broken record

As tempted as I am to go back to Nvidia, I remind myself that AMD's whole display package is better. Same why I don't move to Zen...funnily.
Until you buy an Nvidia Shield TV. Those things are so awesome, i have 2. Gamestream works surprisingly good. Even the wireless (AC) connected one in the bedroom hooked up to a projector.. :D
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#31
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
lasHaha wrong. What matters is what AMD gets out of it. And it's not much. But a few dollars is better than no dollars. For AMD every penny counts.
And why should they?

They are making money off two of the biggest companies in the world.... Microsoft and Sony. Console marketshare is so much bigger than the PC market and AMD are in a good place from a business perspective. They will sell more console APUs then GPUs on the PC market even if they did have a competitive product because the amount of consoles out number PC builders and enthusiasts/gamers.

"Every penny counts..." - you say. But at the same time youre asking them to pull out of a market where they are absolutely dominant and I doubt AMD would keep the contracts with M$ and Sony if they werent making bank off it...

Being in the positive is better than being in the negative and so long as money is coming in then its good news for AMD --- "Every penny counts..."
not only have you contradicted your own comment/opinion. I find your opinion on this matter incredibly ignorant.


Let me try and break it down for you.... Smaller marketshare. less PC sales, Enthusiasts/gamers make up a small percentage of the market and most of them are probably on a 3 year upgrade cycle...


Im sorry, How many PC GPUs are you going to sell when hundreds if not thousands and millions of custom APUs in consoles are being produced and sold every hour???


Your comment is from a position of utter ignorance. Thank God youre not the CEO of AMD. you would of sent them into bankruptcy
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#32
las
ImsochoboVega56 has performance per watt which is near a 1070TI and has the same performance, vega64 is well.. not so great :D
Not quite. Vega 56 is 10-15% better than Vega 64.

www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_56/29.html

1070 is 145W on average in gaming.
Vega 56 229W.
Vega 64 292W.

1070 Ti generally beats both Vega cards in gaming perf. While using 50/125 watts less.
FreedomEclipseThey are making money peanuts off two of the biggest companies in the world.... Microsoft and Sony.
Fixed.

You know, the console business is all about the software sales. Hardware is not profitable. It just needs to be cheap. AMD delivered cheap. Also, a generation lasts ~10 years (supported).
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#33
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
lasFixed.
Well good luck living in your dream world then fanboy. Seems you beyond the understanding of basic business.
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#34
las
FreedomEclipseWell good luck living in your dream world then fanboy. Seems you beyond the understanding of basic business.
You're the fanboy. I'm a realist.
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#35
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
lasYou're the fanboy. I'm a realist.
Sure, Dont mind me with my Nvidia GPU -- youre the bo$$.
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#36
StrayKAT
DimiUntil you buy an Nvidia Shield TV. Those things are so awesome, i have 2. Gamestream works surprisingly good. Even the wireless (AC) connected one in the bedroom hooked up to a projector.. :D
It's kind of passed me by. Tbh, I haven't really looked into it's positives, since I don't think I need it.
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#37
las
FreedomEclipseSure, Dont mind me with my Nvidia GPU -- youre the bo$$.
Why did you cheap out on GPU?
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#38
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
lasWhy did you cheap out on GPU?
Why did you Nvidia when you said every little counts for AMD -- pot kettle black?
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#39
Unregistered
btarunrIf NVIDIA had an x86 license, it would have dumped GPU-making completely.
I can't agree, Nvidia wouldn't drop gpu making just like that. Take a look at modern supercomputer solutions IBM + Nvidia make truckloads of money in that department and for them to move to the cpu market would mean them facing off against AMD, IBM and Intel.
#40
moproblems99
Not sure why anybody thinks AMD is worried about GPUs at the moment. Even when the had the better product no one bought them. Everyone wanted that fancy Jacket.
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#41
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
I'm waiting to see how vega competes in Ray tracing against the new nvidia cards. I feel like that's going to be a closer race than the pascal cards against them in current games.
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#42
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
notbClearly missing "advertorial" tag.
Get lost troll
Vya DomusI hope not, that's a terrible idea. An independent GPU vendor would not survive with the current market conditions going up against Nvidia. If they ever manage to get back a lot of market share in the consumer PC space, I hope Lisa or whoever will be in charge then is smart enough to hold onto their GPU division.

This notion that their GPU division is a liability to AMD is just plain wrong. If anything it was the only reliable source of revenue ever since they acquired it.
Yup That allowed AMD Production of their own chipsets, The APUs and the Console SoCs.
lasNot quite. Vega 56 is 10-15% better than Vega 64.

www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_56/29.html

1070 is 145W on average in gaming.
Vega 56 229W.
Vega 64 292W.

1070 Ti generally beats both Vega cards in gaming perf. While using 50/125 watts less.



Fixed.

You know, the console business is all about the software sales. Hardware is not profitable. It just needs to be cheap. AMD delivered cheap. Also, a generation lasts ~10 years (supported).
Grow up dude, so friggin childish
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#43
StrayKAT
cdawallI'm waiting to see how vega competes in Ray tracing against the new nvidia cards. I feel like that's going to be a closer race than the pascal cards against them in current games.
I doubt it'll be competitive at all.

Good thing that most games won't require it anyways. Or many won't even use it.
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#44
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
btarunrIf NVIDIA had an x86 license, it would have dumped GPU-making completely.
It has a x86 license it does not have license for later instruction sets that matter ( and probably never will)
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#45
Unregistered
dorsetknob( and probably never will)
Very true, Even if they did they'd can't compete, Intel, AMD and IBM have been in the game too long and I'd cost them billions a year to even get anywhere near the performance they have.
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#46
Unregistered
ArpeegeeIs it possible to ban "las"? He/she/they/it is an antagonizing a**hole and I'm tired of reading their stupid replies in every topic. Seriously, take a step back and evaluate your life.
Antagonising* Take this to the moderators, not in a public thread.
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#47
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
dorsetknobIt has a x86 license it does not have license for later instruction sets that matter ( and probably never will)
Yup unless they want to pay AMD for AMD64 instruction sets
ArpeegeeIs it possible to ban "las"? He/she/they/it is an antagonizing a**hole and I'm tired of reading their stupid replies in every topic. Seriously, take a step back and evaluate your life.
Same with notb...
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#48
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
ArpeegeeIs it possible to ban "las"? He/she/they/it is an antagonizing a**hole and I'm tired of reading their stupid replies in every topic
If you feel strongly then use the Report button in each post
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#49
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
StrayKATI doubt it'll be competitive at all.

Good thing that most games won't require it anyways. Or many won't even use it.
I don't know the width of the vega products would be conducive especially with GCN being general purpose from the get go. I am not saying we will see 2080ti performance from one, but it will be very very interesting to see it against a 2070 or 1080ti just to see how it falls. Remember AMD already has Ray tracing on the cards and has basically since launch.

gpuopen.com/announcing-real-time-ray-tracing/

pro.radeon.com/en/software/radeon-rays/
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#50
tvamos
lasHaha wrong. What matters is what AMD gets out of it. And it's not much. But a few dollars is better than no dollars. For AMD every penny counts.
Once again, Sony (especially) and Microsoft are the winners when looking at the console market. Not AMD.
AMD gets their money from consoles, and Sony sells ps4 with loss (It was $60 loss at ps4 launch). They make money off PSPlus and games sales. Don't know about Xbox, but I assume it's the same.
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