"unsupported features"

Is that what we call bugs these days?

Cool, its nearly December already

If the problem has been caused by a third party, then surely it shouldn't impact Microsoft's rollout? At most, the installer can check for the driver version and prompt for an updated one before installing the October update. I suspect that there's more to this than Microsoft is letting on.

Testing's what customers are for!

If you've ever worked on a project with more than a few thousand lines of code you will understand that there is no such thing as flawless software.
One cannot expect this from non technical users, but nonetheless... There is so much hate going around when someone f**** up, it disgusts me.
Take NVIDIA RTX and M$ october update as examples. People can't wait for a reason to hate. Just a wonderful reminder of what human beings really are.

Cheers.

ONEoo7If you've ever worked on a project with more than a few thousand lines of code you will understand that there is no such thing as flawless software.
One cannot expect this from non technical users, but nonetheless... There is so much hate going around when someone f**** up, it disgusts me.
Take NVIDIA RTX and M$ october update as examples. People can't wait for a reason to hate. Just a wonderful reminder of what human beings really are.

Cheers.

Couldn't agree more with this sentiment. There's so many people around with a chip on their shoulders.

ONEoo7If you've ever worked on a project with more than a few thousand lines of code you will understand that there is no such thing as flawless software.
One cannot expect this from non technical users, but nonetheless... There is so much hate going around when someone f**** up, it disgusts me.
Take NVIDIA RTX and M$ october update as examples. People can't wait for a reason to hate. Just a wonderful reminder of what human beings really are.

Cheers.

Well honestly, if you've worked on a software project you also know that bringing non-functional features to products is not going to end well, and before you know it, technical debt is higher than you can manage. In this particular case its good that MS is holding off. Agile development is great fun, but the end result is a userbase that is getting fed up with it all. Not a day goes by without some feature not working as advertised. Not exactly the goal of agile development, but a very real by-product nonetheless.

And let's not forget these companies represent the top of the food chain, either... this performance isn't really representative of it.

Vayra86Well honestly, if you've worked on a software project you also know that bringing non-functional features to products is not going to end well, and before you know it, technical debt is higher than you can manage. In this particular case its good that MS is holding off. Agile development is great fun, but the end result is a userbase that is getting fed up with it all. Not a day goes by without some feature not working as advertised. Not exactly the goal of agile development, but a very real by-product nonetheless.

And let's not forget these companies represent the top of the food chain, either... this performance isn't really representative of it.

Agree, but let's not forget there is a thing called time and budget and these things do not allow for perfection. The fact that they are relatively fast to ack problems and try to fix them should be appreciated. I would also propose that whenever a new software update is rolled out they should notify the user updating that something might go wrong and BACKUP before and also a method of immediately reporting the problem introduced by the update(maybe they do that already but I don't have time to read agreements, my bad here).
I have had the notorious desktop stutter/hang issue on a notebook with intel igpu and nvidia dgpu hybrid graphics, it has taken M$ + Intel a lot of time to fix it but they did it in the end. One of the solutions was to rollback to a previous win 10 version. I chose to use only nv gpu instead.

ONEoo7If you've ever worked on a project with more than a few thousand lines of code you will understand that there is no such thing as flawless software.
One cannot expect this from non technical users, but nonetheless... There is so much hate going around when someone f**** up, it disgusts me.
Take NVIDIA RTX and M$ october update as examples. People can't wait for a reason to hate. Just a wonderful reminder of what human beings really are.

Cheers.

Actually, instead of blindly supporting MS like a lemming, you might first get your facts in order. MS did away with its QA people. This is why they have several tiers of update distribution. That’s right, customers are the QA guinea pigs.

I’d say that’s a good reason for hate to be flowing around on MS. Especially if you have thousands of lines of code to compile correctly.

ONEoo7Agree, but let's not forget there is a thing called time and budget and these things do not allow for perfection. The fact that they are relatively fast to ack problems and try to fix them should be appreciated. I would also propose that whenever a new software update is rolled out they should notify the user updating that something might go wrong and BACKUP before and also a method of immediately reporting the problem introduced by the update(maybe they do that already but I don't have time to read agreements, my bad here).
I have had the notorious desktop stutter/hang issue on a notebook with intel igpu and nvidia dgpu hybrid graphics, it has taken M$ + Intel a lot of time to fix it but they did it in the end. One of the solutions was to rollback to a previous win 10 version. I chose to use only nv gpu instead.

Time and budget are exactly those things the customer has zero influence on, and the service provider does. Why is that our problem? Microsoft isn't offering me a discount either because they saved all that money on testing and I've sent them bug reports.

Honestly, the bottom line will never change. If you release something it better be good. And you'd better be on the money with fixing what isn't good, and every day you fail to do that, you can expect that it costs you money and goodwill. That's how the world works, and not the way you propose it does, by being apologetic towards one another because its oh-so-difficult to do it right. If its too difficult, you're doing the wrong job or the job is managed in the wrong way. End of story. Nvidia's RTX is another shining example of it. Every day we haven't seen a nice bit of content to convince us this is truly worthwhile, is a day Nvidia takes flak for their ridiculous plan.

Maybe i should go back to windows 7 :cry::cry::cry:

I'm glad that on a regular basis I'm getting validation that jumping ship from the Windows bandwagon wasn't a bad idea. :ohwell:

ONEoo7If you've ever worked on a project with more than a few thousand lines of code you will understand that there is no such thing as flawless software.

You'd also know that it is possible to release said software within a reasonable time frame if everything is properly taken care of. If that's not happening, repeatedly, it is safe to assume that whoever was in charge screwed up.

at least MS managed to find more problems with this update & stops rolling it out (again).

I guess they forgot to mention some things a little more important than audio, like:
- breaking the OS at login screen (login then black screen forever)
- breaking compatibility with various anti-virus software
- breaking compatibility with document encryption software

meh, using OCT and NOV ISOs with no problems at all

My station at work was just “upgraded” to Windows 10 from Win 7... what horrible OS Win10 is. At least from XP to Vista you could see the potential despite the early teething problems.

BorgOvermindI guess they forgot to mention some things a little more important than audio, like:
- breaking the OS at login screen (login then black screen forever)
- breaking compatibility with various anti-virus software
- breaking compatibility with document encryption software

Yep, +1 on the black screen after login. I didn't bother fixing it yet because reboot takes all of 15 seconds, but this is Windows 10 then, huh. Good to know.

rtwjunkieActually, instead of blindly supporting MS like a lemming, you might first get your facts in order. MS did away with its QA people. This is why they have several tiers of update distribution. That’s right, customers are the QA guinea pigs.

I’d say that’s a good reason for hate to be flowing around on MS. Especially if you have thousands of lines of code to compile correctly.

hmmmm.... good point, rtw. I've revised my opinion in light of this, which I'd forgotten about.

There's zero excuse for a company not to have a QA department, especially a behemoth like Microsoft.

Windows 7 was the best ever. If I could turn back I would.

It's understandable that some obscure bugs slip through QA in massive software bundles, but a company of the size of Microsoft should have established some routines to catch the obvious stuff after all these years.

hat"unsupported features"

Is that what we call bugs these days?

This one always feels relevant when the PR departments are doing damage control.

FrickTesting's what customers are for!

Who needs testing?
Real men do it in production!

So far I haven't seen even a mention of an 1809 update on any of my machines on either "release" period... Kinda feel left-out and depressed about it.... :laugh:
The only thing I've noticed, though, is that one of the recent minor updates brought back my normal sound levels, which I lost sometime around 16xx updates (and it's not related to the new headphone virtualization function).
Maybe by the time 1809 finally gets released they'll include fixes for blurry icons in the taskbar and nagging notifications...

At this point it would be better to cancel the update all together and roll out everything in the spring update. That presumes that they'll stop making themselves look like amateur monkey's diddling a football and actually do some testing before releasing. This is why the "Windows as a service" thing is a crap idea.

lexluthermiesterThis is why the "Windows as a service" thing is a crap idea.

It certainly pushed me away. I never had these kinds of problems with Windows 7. Hell, I don't have these kinds of problems with OS X either on my laptop for work.

Ha hahaha.... what else can be said.

AquinusIt certainly pushed me away. I never had these kinds of problems with Windows 7. Hell, I don't have these kinds of problems with OS X either on my laptop for work.

yep, I'm still using Win7 on all of my current systems. Still the best OS M$ ever released imho.