I remember that old trick to make a Freesync monitor work with nvidia cards. It worked on my gtx 1070, however it was a pain to setup and a single pc restart forgot the configuration for it. This was the swap amd card, turn on freesync, and swap back to nvidia card method. It wasn't worth the time sync. And as said before, it does not work for everyone. As long as Nvidia is the dominant market for gpu's then Gsync will stay and continue to be overpriced. We need more competition before Nvidia would ever consider either dropping their prices or switching to Freesync.

I did see an article on tomshardware. They were using an apu with an nvidia card to make freesync work. Basically, the apu becomes the dominant display adapter allowing freesync to work through the apu and just choose the correct gpu in game. It seems to work that way better. But requires specific hardware. This could also be patched so I couldn't recommend the idea.

qubitSounds like a decent monitor, just a shame about that power brick. There's no excuse not to integrate a PSU into the monitor nowadays.

a bit of a long shot but they add weight to the monitor and some 3rd party monitor arms might not be able to handle it.

I experienced this same thing with a Duronic monitor arm with my previous NEC monitor. It was just too damn heavy.

qubitSounds like a decent monitor, just a shame about that power brick. There's no excuse not to integrate a PSU into the monitor nowadays.

For what? So if the PSU dies you have to tear the monitor apart?

I wonder if the rear red LED's are bright or just for show. After adding red lighting behind my television I can say that it makes it easier on the eyes at night. Having that built in sure is convenient.

Vayra86Gsync is a way to avoid screen tearing. And to avoid that, there are other ways, all of which are free and just require some software tweaks.

GSync/VRR is not just a way to avoid screen tearing. That completely misses the mark, as you admitted there are free ways to do that already.

Vayra86Actually no, Nvidia has a majority market share so apparently their GPUs are quite alright, irrespective of who buys them. Similarly, people using non Gsync monitors do not have pages full of search results with inconsistencies. ULMB, for example, works fine, doesn't need constant driver updates. You should read some of those links I gave - they appear on a daily basis ever since Gsync launched. You can downplay everything with 'there's always someone', but it doesn't change the fact that there are other methods just as easy and effective, that don't suffer these issues. AND are free.

Either way, it doesn't 'just work', Jensen is full of shit.

I love when people who don't have Gsync try and crap on it lol. Gsync works great - have been using it for years, makes a world of difference in frame pacing and smoothness. Tons of games - never had one issue with it.


ULMB washes out colors, brightness, and does nothing for frame pacing - it's not great to use. Also it only works at 100hz on many monitors (like mine), and the only ones that i've seen that have it are TN panels. I use both on occasion and Gsync is much better.

The specs make it sound like PG279Q will finally have proper competition.

It was all going so well until they lost my money at "1000:1 static contrast ratio".

FFS!

My dream monitor is:

27-32" non-curved 16x9
Slight - non reflective coating, not a mirror
4K / 1440p at a pinch
Real 10Bit panel, with a 10bit or better input
Wide colour gamut
REAL working HDR600 minimum
3000-1 minimum contrast ratio in SDR mode - No tricks with dynamic black levels etc
Fast panel response & high refresh rate (120Hz+ not this 75Hz OC BS)
G-sync if possible
Less than $1000

freesync, but there is no amd card right now to sustain 160fps at this 2k resolution, so why freesync then?

stimpy88It was all going so well until they lost my money at "1000:1 static contrast ratio".

FFS!

My dream monitor is:

27-32" non-curved 16x9
Slight - non reflective coating, not a mirror
4K / 1440p at a pinch
Real 10Bit panel, with a 10bit or better input
Wide colour gamut
REAL working HDR600 minimum
3000-1 minimum contrast ratio in SDR mode - No tricks with dynamic black levels etc
Fast panel response & high refresh rate (120Hz+ not this 75Hz OC BS)
G-sync if possible
Less than $1000

well, s32d850t is closest to your specs, without some of them.....

mouacykGSync/VRR is not just a way to avoid screen tearing. That completely misses the mark, as you admitted there are free ways to do that already.

Enlighten me...

phanbueyI love when people who don't have Gsync try and crap on it lol. Gsync works great - have been using it for years, makes a world of difference in frame pacing and smoothness. Tons of games - never had one issue with it.


ULMB washes out colors, brightness, and does nothing for frame pacing - it's not great to use. Also it only works at 100hz on many monitors (like mine), and the only ones that i've seen that have it are TN panels. I use both on occasion and Gsync is much better.

There are also methods that do strobe much better than ULMB - yes - and it has limitations. I have a VA monitor with a similar strobe technique but it doesn't have any of the issues you mention. It just inserts black frames between each refresh. This means brightness is reduced, which is fixed by doubling the brightness value I'd use without 'Turbo 240', which is what its called. If strobe washes out colors, its just a shitty panel - confirmed because you saw it on TN.

Frame pacing, correct, the GPU does that. Gsync does not. Gsync only syncs the monitor refresh with the frame rate of GPU.

FYI I did try Gsync and even had it side by side with my current monitor, but wasn't worth the tradeoffs and upgrade cost, got returned. As always its personal, but its simply wrong to say Gsync is better in every way, especially when its up against a different high quality monitor and cost is factored in. I can definitely see the value of Gsync at high res, low FPS gaming and it really does shine at lower framerates in terms of smoothness. But for anything beyond 60 FPS, its complete and utter nonsense and waste of money. Much better to tweak for stable FPS and focus on other things at that point.

qubitThere's no excuse not to integrate a PSU into the monitor nowadays.

Yes, there is. When the capacitors go splodey it's easier to replace a brick than a mess of stuff in a monitor.

Nxodus1000:1

oh no

What, were you somehow expecting 3000:1 on IPS? Nano IPS is just a monitor rebranding of Nano Cell IPS from their TVs which is just LG's version of quantum dots.

TomorrowThe specs make it sound like PG279Q will finally have proper competition.

My thought as well. I was thinking do we really need a new monitor that sounds like the 2015 PG279Q? PG279Q is a fantastic but anything coming out now better have an even better panel.

phanbueyI love when people who don't have Gsync try and crap on it lol. Gsync works great - have been using it for years, makes a world of difference in frame pacing and smoothness. Tons of games - never had one issue with it.


ULMB washes out colors, brightness, and does nothing for frame pacing - it's not great to use. Also it only works at 100hz on many monitors (like mine), and the only ones that i've seen that have it are TN panels. I use both on occasion and Gsync is much better.

I don't think anyone is discounting adaptive frame rates over screen tearing ... they are discounting gsync over freesync. The gsync tax is painful... and the RTX tax is worse.
My main workstation is a 1080ti PLP 60hz setup and it will be hard to replace the screen real-estate with anything gsync.
I have a little 29" ultrawide 75hz freesync with a vega for lans and it is buttery smooth. You definitely don't need 165hz to appreciate the gains of adaptive sync.
I just need a cheap card to power these screens for the workstation and get a used 165hz panel for the ti to play with... 16:9 just isn't as good at 16:10 with complimenting side panels for work.

Really wish there was a 24" 1080p IPS panel with 144hz+..

Tried the VG279Q, and 27" ips just has too much glow for me.

..I wonder how expensive or how bad that 22" jOLED monitor will be..

R-T-BYes, there is. When the capacitors go splodey it's easier to replace a brick than a mess of stuff in a monitor.

That's similar to what the others were saying here A bit swings and roundabouts really. Personally, I really don't like the inconvenience of a brick.

qubitThat's similar to what the others were saying here A bit swings and roundabouts really. Personally, I really don't like the inconvenience of a brick.

Yeah hadn't quite gotten to those comments when I replied, I see them now.

AxaionReally wish there was a 24" 1080p IPS panel with 144hz+..

Tried the VG279Q, and 27" ips just has too much glow for me.

..I wonder how expensive or how bad that 22" jOLED monitor will be..

Glow? like the pixels bleed into each other? i have a 24" 1440P now and i really like the pixel density (one of the only reasons i got this monitor)... im wondering if I should go 4K for 30" next.

kastriot5ms GTG= no go
G-sync = Big no go

5ms GTG = no go? Do you realize not even 1ms advertised monitors are actually less than 5ms?

oxidized5ms GTG = no go? Do you realize not even 1ms advertised monitors are actually less than 5ms?

yes, but that means 5ms advertised gtg is probably more like 15 or 20ms

phanbueyGlow? like the pixels bleed into each other?

No, more like black becoming grey from backlight bleed.

I'm going to nope all over this potentially $1000 monitor. I would rather it not have gsync than pay a $200 upcharge.

R-T-Byes, but that means 5ms advertised gtg is probably more like 15 or 20ms

Not necessarily, and most of the times 5ms advertised monitors are less than 10ms. Just because the "1ms" people like to advertise the minimum response time, while the others, more honestly advertise the average response time.

oxidizedNot necessarily, and most of the times 5ms advertised monitors are less than 10ms. Just because the "1ms" people like to advertise the minimum response time, while the others, more honestly advertise the average response time.

Let me tell you this: when you see 5ms or more for an IPS, its not a fast panel and tends to be around 10-15+ms in most use cases. 4ms specced IPS's are the fastest ones, and they end up around 6-7 ms avg. You can definitely go off the specs to make distinctions between monitors.

Here is a top-end IPS - 6ms best case average, specced at 4ms G2G - but only with noticeable ghosting (see 'extreme' OD setting, overshoot)

www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift_pg27uq.htm



Here's a 7ms specced (lol!) professional grade IPS
www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/viewsonic_vp3881.htm#specs



Here's a fast TN - 2.7ms with noticeable ghosting, 4ms reasonably on avg.

www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_27gk750f.htm

phanbueyGlow? like the pixels bleed into each other? i have a 24" 1440P now and i really like the pixel density (one of the only reasons i got this monitor)... im wondering if I should go 4K for 30" next.

This is IPS glow - its not backlight bleed, and it depends on the angle of the monitor to your vision, moving 'with you' like TN's contrast shift. Its a reason I'd never use an IPS in a dim lit room, and a reason to avoid many IPS panels on the market. The selection of non glowy IPS is very small.

Not that i want to sound rude or anything, but what's the point of your post? I don't understand if you agree with what i said and just added some more infos, or you disagree with what i said and you're trying to prove me wrong.

oxidizedNot that i want to sound rude or anything, but what's the point of your post? I don't understand if you agree with what i said and just added some more infos, or you disagree with what i said and you're trying to prove me wrong.

The point is that IPS panel specs dó tell you whether you're dealing with faster or slower panels. And also that the 1ms TN claim isn't complete nonsense - the best case G2G for TN is indeed very close to 1ms (it shows 1.3ms in some situations above).

When an IPS panel says 5, 6 or 7ms, you can rest assured its a slow one. When it says 4ms, its a faster one, and the difference is quite significant.