Thursday, February 14th 2019
NVIDIA TU116 GPU Pictured Up Close: Noticeably Smaller than TU106
Here is the first picture of NVIDIA's 12 nm "TU116" silicon, which powers the upcoming GeForce GTX 1660 Ti graphics card. While the size of the package itself is identical to that of the "TU106" on which the RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 are based; the die of the TU116 is visibly smaller. This is because the chip physically lacks RT cores, and only has two-thirds the number of CUDA cores as the TU106, with 1,536 against the latter's 2,304. The die area, too, is about 2/3rds that of the TU106. The ASIC version of TU116 powering the GTX 1660 Ti is "TU116-400-A1."
VideoCardz scored not just pictures of the ASIC, but also the PCB of an MSI GTX 1660 Ti Ventus graphics card, which reveals something very interesting. The PCB has traces for eight memory chips, across a 256-bit wide memory bus, although only six of them are populated with memory chips, making up 6 GB over a 192-bit bus. The GPU's package substrate, too, is of the same size. It's likely that NVIDIA is using a common substrate, with an identical pin-map between the TU106 and TU116, so AIC partners could reduce PCB development costs.
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VideoCardz scored not just pictures of the ASIC, but also the PCB of an MSI GTX 1660 Ti Ventus graphics card, which reveals something very interesting. The PCB has traces for eight memory chips, across a 256-bit wide memory bus, although only six of them are populated with memory chips, making up 6 GB over a 192-bit bus. The GPU's package substrate, too, is of the same size. It's likely that NVIDIA is using a common substrate, with an identical pin-map between the TU106 and TU116, so AIC partners could reduce PCB development costs.
35 Comments on NVIDIA TU116 GPU Pictured Up Close: Noticeably Smaller than TU106
Also 590 will need a price cut to £200 to compete I think.
Using some photoshop and scale
GP104 = 314 mm²
TU116 = 310 mm²
TU106 = 445 mm²
At least for their 8GB models, would love to see RX 570 at 159$, RX 580 at 189$, RX 590 at 209$. I don't see how otherwise they are going to move sizable amount of units after this.
So similar size to GP104 but somewhat significantly lower graphics performance, wow NVIDIA really did bet on those Tensors being useful on this chip. huh.
RX570 1829 - Often down at 1500-1600
GTX1050TI cheapest is almost 1800 same as RX570!!
Cheapest GTX1060 3GB is 2200, same as 8gb RX580.
RX 590 is 2800 so that is a bit expensive but next performance level is RTX2060 at 3700.
What the hell is wrong with amd's pricing ?
You want them to sell them with loss, even with GTX1060 6GB performance you pay the same as a high end GTX1050ti... yay, still Nvidia outsells amd for some hilarious reason in taht segment, price is not how amd should compete cause it's proven it doesn't work!
If priced the same RX590 beating commence, power effeciency isn't That important, it's not 20$ worth for people.
But nvidia sells anyways :p
TU116 is an original 192bit GPU.
TU116 can use PG160.PG160 is 2060/2070's PCB.
GTX1660Ti
~1950MHz Board Power 130W
FSE 75xx TS 64xx
Looks like RT Cores are very minor in terms of die size.
When trying to do high-level theorycrafting on SM sizes it seems that Volta SM is ~47% larger than Pascal's. Turing's SM is ~9% bigger than Volta's and ~60% bigger than Pascal.
Its quite an achievement to squeeze lower performance out of the same die space. But no worries, you can use DLSS at 4K to make use of all those cores and achieve nothing substantial with it.
www.hardocp.com/news/2019/01/23/nvidia_1660_ti_will_launch_on_february_15_at_279/
Though, this rumor was wrong about the February 15th date for the 1660 Ti (it's apparently coming out on the 22nd instead).RX 590 is something like 10% better than the RX 580, performance wise I can see the non-TI GTX 1660 being competitive with the RX 590, while the 1660 Ti is likely to be considerably better (likely to be GTX 980 Ti/GTX 1070 tier).