The best part about Windows Update now is how it always starts at the most inconvenient times. I especially like how you have almost zero control over it. Also how it causes you to curse your ISP, or your games' servers for lag--until you remember how the convenient new method of updating never interrupts anything your doing. Because "Ask me when to download and install updates" was so much of a hassle--I'm so glad they got rid of that nuisance of a feature. I love Microsoft.

BasardThe best part about Windows Update now is how it always starts at the most inconvenient times. I especially like how you have almost zero control over it. Also how it causes you to curse your ISP, or your games' servers for lag--until you remember how the convenient new method of updating never interrupts anything your doing. Because "Ask me when to download and install updates" was so much of a hassle--I'm so glad they got rid of that nuisance of a feature. I love Microsoft.

no control over it? I don't know about other versions, but I can pause updates anytime in Win 10 Enterprise for a span of 1 month.
After every patch Tuesday I check my beloved Win specialists www.askwoody.com/ and if it's MS DEFCON 4 or higher I install them manually (by un-pausing updates)

Besides this, you can also set up Windows to install updates outside of active hours so I really don't get people complaining about Win updates

I don't when really it sat off... but you can.

it only affects gaming and only same games and microsoft is working on an update for this release not for the next windows release as poster said, I'm sure a fix will come out in 2 weeks. Gaming is a waste of time anyway, they're all programmed and coded etc and make u do certain mandatory tasks to get to a certain level is not free thinking is not natural is sketched. and some games like winning eleven 8 for pc which to me was the best soccer game ever still had a conspiracy to it, it will drop my skills performance for players in my team and no matter how good I was I lost matches that were rigged for fraud and my other friend on peslauncher said the same thing when I pointed this. In general don't play games they're lying to u and focus on learning science and math make programs that aren't rigged do 3d stuff like i do.

I'm just saying these games are programed to make u lose but then u think u can win by trying again and again and after a while u still can't win, then you become exausted and irritated, now is very easy to become adicted at this point specialy if u have low selfsteen, so stop playing games like halo or hmm what's the other one? fable jaja you're just getting sick in the head!

Nxodusno control over it? I don't know about other versions, but I can pause updates anytime in Win 10 Enterprise for a span of 1 month.
After every patch Tuesday I check my beloved Win specialists www.askwoody.com/ and if it's MS DEFCON 4 or higher I install them manually (by un-pausing updates)

You’ve got Enterprise, I’ve got Pro, but consider this: most users have plain Jane home version, which literally gives zero control over updates. I notice this between my rig on Pro, where I delay feature updates nearly 9 months and regular updates 10 days. My HTPC uses W10 Home, and literally updates when it wants.

NxodusGreat, I have the update installed. But didn't notice lag in Far Cry New Dawn

Ditto played some this morning. Ran the same as it always has.

Ferrum MasterSo much sh** again in the posts.

It degrades Skylake and up arch. Older ones should be fine.

that doesn't make sense to me, i thought Skylake had better performance with fixes than older archs? or are the older archs just not as protected?

rtwjunkieYou’ve got Enterprise, I’ve got Pro, but consider this: most users have plain Jane home version, which literally gives zero control over updates. I notice this between my rig on Pro, where I delay feature updates nearly 9 months and regular updates 10 days. My HTPC uses W10 Home, and literally updates when it wants.

I've been avoiding home versions ever since I learned about the missing group policy editor feature the hard way in Windows 7:) If you like to tweak around in your OS it's always best to install ultimate or enterprise in this case. The update system is something I specifically researched before picking a Win 10 version.

ArbitraryAffectionthat doesn't make sense to me, i thought Skylake had better performance with fixes than older archs? or are the older archs just not as protected?

I haven’t followed the fixes closely in awhile, but IIRC Haswell and below fixes are sporadic and don’t affect as much performance.

NxodusI've been avoiding home versions ever since I learned about the missing group policy editor feature the hard way in Windows 7:) If you like to tweak around in your OS it's always best to install ultimate or enterprise in this case. The update system is something I specifically researched before picking a Win 10 version.

And that’s why I went with Pro on my own rig. Most users though, are not of the same thinking. They either buy the cheapest version or upgraded from the home version they had of W7 or 8.1.

Every day need to sufer from slow os and bad made, slow game for my pc.

I don't think I've noticed anything untoward happening in my games on this patch, although I have noticed that the most recent 19H1 builds feel snappier overall. Hopefully that carries over to the full release version.

MaycloreI don't think I've noticed anything untoward happening in my games on this patch, although I have noticed that the most recent 19H1 builds feel snappier overall. Hopefully that carries over to the full release version.

Retpoline is baked in the kernel for those, that's why.

Also the GPU driver is not compiled with retpoline aware compiler. Althou there is WDDM2.6 421.65 for nvidia, that one could be, and everything should be fine.

I love how folks here bashing the air when it's their own fault for upgrading to Windows 10 Home because it's "free", instead of "I have no choice" BS. Since there are cheap legit keys for the Pro editions, might as well go get it while you can & then defer all those updates, tweak the OS & turn off all the settings to get back some control from Microsoft.

That's why i use windows 7 64bit. no problems

u2konlineThat's why i use windows 7 64bit. no problems

But again, Windows 7 support is ending in a year. What will you do then?

people are missing the point that retpoline accually substantially improves performance in workloads where the spectre fixes hurt performance


whats going on is some apps that are incorrectly written rely on speculative execution and are taking a hit when retpoline comes along and stuffs a big old infinate loop in the pipeline

support.google.com/faqs/answer/7625886

Ferrum MasterI don't when really it sat off... but you can.

This. People grossly overstate the evil Microsoft ways, they listen, they respond, and they usually implement things in a pretty smart way.

This topic... case in point. 90% assumptions somehow turn into facts over here, that are complety unsubstantiated 'I believe, I assume, it feels like'. In the meantime, I don't notice a god damn thing... even in competitive online play.

trparkyBut again, Windows 7 support is ending in a year. What will you do then?

Exactly. This is nothing other than the Windows XP veterans who keep using an old OS because they're scared of change. But still cling to Windows, for some weird reason.

trparkyBut again, Windows 7 support is ending in a year. What will you do then?

Continue to use the OS.

trparkyBut again, Windows 7 support is ending in a year. What will you do then?

8.1

u2konlineContinue to use the OS.

From a security point of view... NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!

trparkyFrom a security point of view... NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!

From a security point of view, using computers is NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!

Besides, in the age of adblockers, pi-holes, and constantly updated browsers, infections are becoming far rarer of a problem then in years past. OS updates are very important, yes, but by blocking ad networks the primary attack vector for computer viruses has long been cut off.

Until of course something like what happened with Google Chrome where they found a way to escape the sandbox and exploit the kernel.

u2konlineThat's why i use windows 7 64bit. no problems

no DX12 is a huge killer for me. 7 was a great os but it;s time to move on. I was extremely autistic when 8 came out, swore by 7. then 8,1 cam out and i switched. I didn't favour it but it was a decent os. when 10 came out i never looked back. IMO 10 is better in every way (except making a decent network bridge lmao). Old technology needs to die so technology can move on. Some people still using XP today lol.. I got my w10 Pro key for a tenner on amazon btw

I firewall windows 7 machines into the ground at work
if you continue to use windows 7 now you are a idiot and should be banned from the internet you are a danger to your self and everybody else

TheinsanegamerNFrom a security point of view, using computers is NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!

Besides, in the age of adblockers, pi-holes, and constantly updated browsers, infections are becoming far rarer of a problem then in years past. OS updates are very important, yes, but by blocking ad networks the primary attack vector for computer viruses has long been cut off.

Compare this to real life. It also contains risks, but we do our best to mitigate them as much as we feel is necessary and possible. That mitigating also comes from knowledge and experience about the world around us. Computer security is no different, it evolves and we usually do a pretty decent job at mitigating most of the nasty stuff. Willingly using outdated OS and connecting to the internet is like driving a car without safety belts and airbags - you may crash, and if you do, you get the full effect of it. It all depends on the driver and the analogy even goes further - your safe driving affects everyone else on the road.

OneMoarI firewall windows 7 machines into the ground at work
if you continue to use windows 7 now you are a idiot and should be banned from the internet you are a danger to your self and everybody else

Depends on the setting you use it in, but yes, generally speaking...