Manu_PTGo read the post please. Also, your 8600k is not a 9700k, You have 6 threads with I bet are spanked on that game at 100%.

This people....

Your 9700K is 3x as fast as my CPU? I'm gonna kill myself.

Manu_PTI found it, is called 9700k wich overclocks to 5,2ghz

That's called pre binned. Unless you stop talking smack and find proof 100% of 9700k's do 5.2ghz without shoving absurd voltages which will degrade the CPU within a year, second off not everyone is lucky on the silicon lottery not all CPUs do that and a rather low percentage will and that pre binned CPU would cost more than a regular one, much more.

Manu_PTpaired with 4000mhz CL18

More proof you overpaid on a crappy bundle.

Manu_PTI´m rocking 200fps-240fps on every multiplayer game at 1080p and 144fps on every single player game.

Proof or get lost, and what settings? Low? Lol

Manu_PTSimple fact you wasted money on a 8600k with 6 threads for almost 300€, makes no sense. I would stick to a 8400 or 9400f or just go i7 8700 non K route. 8600k has no place in the market. This is the kind of people I´m arguing with... geez.

300€?
What are you talking about? I'm not living in your country.
8600K can be clocked 1.2GHz higher than a 8400, 1.2GHz is a lot of MHz, you know.

Xx Tek Tip xXThat's called pre binned. Unless you stop talking smack and find proof 100% of 9700k's do 5.2ghz without shoving absurd voltages which will degrade the CPU within a year, second off not everyone is lucky on the silicon lottery not all CPUs do that and a rather low percentage will and that pre binned CPU would cost more than a regular one, much more.

More proof you overpaid on a crappy bundle.

Proof or get lost, and what settings? Low? Lol

1- Almost every 9700k does 5,1ghz/5,2ghz without a problem and under 1,35v wich is more than safe. Go to overclock.net 9700k thread and surprise yourself. While you bots think that Coffee Lake refresh is just equal to Skylakle + higher clocks, It isn´t, Intel kept refining and that´s why you don´t need as high voltages as 8700k, plus no tooth paste.

2- I didn´t overpaid for anything, I got a good Samsung B-die 3200 CL14 Teamgroup ram and overclocked it to 4000mhz, you know, because z390 allows you to, unlike AM4.

3- Everywhere on youtube, go look for it. And who cares about ultra graphics on multiplayer? Black Ops 4, Quake Champions, Apex Legends, Overwatch, World War Z, etc I have more than 200fps with a 1080ti at 1080p on all of them, and not even using low settings on those. Do the research.

notbI'm always slightly anxious when I see statements like this one.
In your honest opinion 7nm can provide these clocks... because we've seen countless 5 GHz chips made with TSMC 7nm? Because you work for TSMC? Because you're a quantum physicist working on semiconductors? Because you had a vision on your AMD altar?

Jokes aside, I'm really curious where do people get this kind of knowledge.

Since Radeon 7 is the 1st product of this new 7nm process and it already goes close to 2.15GHz on water vs the 1.85GHz of Vega64 LC, we can safely assume that the Zen2 can gain at least the same 15% of headroom for their single-threaded clocks, so from the 4.35GHz of Zen+ we go exactly to 5GHz. Personally, I can see that later on we will see 5.1-5.2GHz turbo on the best binned Zen2 chips. As anyone can see in this post, all those numbers are based on simple math logic and not prediction based on personal preference. Any more meaninful questions?

Manu_PT1- Almost every 9700k does 5,1ghz/5,2ghz without a problem and under 1,35v wich is more than safe. Go to overclock.net 9700k thread and surprise yourself. While you bots think that Coffee Lake refresh is just equal to Skylakle + higher clocks, It isn´t, Intel kept refining and that´s why you don´t need as high voltages as 8700k, plus no tooth paste.

"Almost every"
>11% do it at a greater voltage than you specified.

0x6A7232...do you honestly believe it would have been approved if the ACTUAL costs (before overruns) were known?

You can say the same about the F-22 the F-15, F-16, C-17, C-5. then.

And just so you know the operational cost of F-35 isn't nearly as much as the E-3.
Pilots are loving it it's also easier to maintain and plus just like the F4 in the past most parts are interchangeable between service branches and also Global units

Vayra86Beyond that we've already seen that even first gen Ryzen loses most of its latency issues with a decent kit of RAM. Consider that 'Ryzen overclocking' compared to Intel's hot mess at high clocks and they're even again, both in additional cost and additional performance.

That is actually one of the open questions on Zen2. IO Die should introduce additional latency. How much exactly and how it is handled we will have to wait and see.

HD64GSince Radeon 7 is the 1st product of this new 7nm process and it already goes close to 2.15GHz on water vs the 1.85GHz of Vega64 LC, we can safely assume that the Zen2 can gain at least the same 15% of headroom for their single-threaded clocks, so from the 4.35GHz of Zen+ we go exactly to 5GHz.

It's not how semiconductors work. There's no magical scaling of frequency limits.

But whatever. This is not a physics forum.
In few weeks all will be revealed. I'm sure you'll be happy with (and able to defend) whatever frequencies Zen2 comes up with. :-)

Uber fake

HwGeekRyzen 9 Box is fake since you see Ryzen 3 box cooler :-).

And the typeface for the "9" is different.

Besides, isn't "Ryzen 9" actually where current Threadripper stands?

HD64GSince Radeon 7 is the 1st product of this new 7nm process and it already goes close to 2.15GHz on water vs the 1.85GHz of Vega64 LC, we can safely assume that the Zen2 can gain at least the same 15% of headroom for their single-threaded clocks, so from the 4.35GHz of Zen+ we go exactly to 5GHz. Personally, I can see that later on we will see 5.1-5.2GHz turbo on the best binned Zen2 chips. As anyone can see in this post, all those numbers are based on simple math logic and not prediction based on personal preference. Any more meaninful questions?

LOL. I love it. i've been burned by the AMD hype train for the first gen Ryzen. I thought it was going to be the second coming of AMD.

R0H1THave you seen any tests with fixed clocks? If not then go check them out, Zen is indeed only about 5~10% behind Intel clock for clock. So your assumption that AMD can't match Intel @4.8 GHz is BS, I bet you didn't even count the impact of smeltdown ~ hint it's non zero :rolleyes:

In synthetic benches they're very close but in real world like gaming at same clock speed intel is at least 15% better in some cases even more.

Just look at how the 2700x is dropping frames while the 9900k is almost consistent. Now add in the higher clocks of Intel and you get over 20% difference. It's also the reason why 2700x is bottlenecking the high end rtx cards

Where are the other specs ?
Set of instructions ?
Pci express support
Ram channels and speeds
Voltage?

Not known.

Pcie 4.0

Dual channel - no idea of JEDEC

Will vary with every chip like all other processors.

NdMk2o1oThey're less then 10% behind Intel in gaming now so yes it will beat or at least match Intel

I just want to point out that gaming is one of those workloads where the actual performance is not proportional to CPU performance, since it's about how bottlenecked the GPU is.

While IPC is absolutely very important for gaming up to a point, gaming performance (which in reality is GPU performance) is not a benchmark of the CPU. Even a 10% IPC gain will not yield a 10% improvement in gaming performance, unless the GPU is extremely bottlenecked. While most CPU bound tasks will scale "forever", rendering performance will not, they will scale until your GPU is no longer bottlenecked, and Intel is basically already there for current games, and Zen(1) is close but not quite there. Even with more modest improvements in Zen 2 than most of you guys expect, Zen 2 should still be able to come close enough in gaming to where it's probably good enough, and Intel will probably only retain a marginal symbolic lead (~2-3%).

ValantarThis just makes me all the more depressed that I'll have to wait until 2020 to see Zen 2 in an MCM APU with a kick-ass GPU. Maybe I'll just get a 5XX-series motherboard and a used 2200G or something for my planned HTPC upgrade, and replace the CPU a bit down the line.

Still, the wait until the 27th seems very long right now.

Yeah, I really wish AMD would make a powerhouse APU....the finished product having similar package dimensions to a Threadripper CPU (hell, they can even use the same socket). Basically, I'd like at least 8 zen 2 cores, and enough GPU CUs to have no problem running AAA titles at 1080p and hit 60fps all day....itdbe a "guerrilla" means of threatening nvidia's lower tiers too. Don't want to get greedy, but 4-8GB of on package DRAM would be nice too, giving it a pretty big buffer before it has to start tapping into system memory.

Ive got all brand new hardware waiting to do a new build, have everythig except a videocard, but I just can't reward nvidia's avarice so I've held off...guess that's why I'm daydreaming about an APU that'd allow me to nix the videocard altogether

AnarchoPrimitivYeah, I really wish AMD would make a powerhouse APU....the finished product having similar package dimensions to a Threadripper CPU (hell, they can even use the same socket). Basically, I'd like at least 8 zen 2 cores, and enough GPU CUs to have no problem running AAA titles at 1080p and hit 60fps all day....itdbe a "guerrilla" means of threatening nvidia's lower tiers too. Don't want to get greedy, but 4-8GB of on package DRAM would be nice too, giving it a pretty big buffer before it has to start tapping into system memory.

Ive got all brand new hardware waiting to do a new build, have everythig except a videocard, but I just can't reward nvidia's avarice so I've held off...guess that's why I'm daydreaming about an APU that'd allow me to nix the videocard altogether

An APU on TR4 would be rather meaningless considering that it lacks display outputs - you'd need some sort of PCIe card to provide the ports anyhow.

Other than that, I don't think you need TR4 for what you describe once we get DDR5. Ryzen 3000 already fits two CPU chiplets, just replace one with a GPU die and call it a day. If you want on-package HBM that's another matter.

I've been wanting to get a 16c machine. If this is true, I'll wait and not even consider Threadripper.

Shatun_BearThe problem with AdoredTV is he's such an AMD fanboy he does AMD more harm than good. .

These numbers were made up in this 'leak'

Stop spreading BS please !

1) Adored TV is far from being an AMD fanboy . He is an AMD fan indeed ( he has the right to ) BUT when it comes to his job he always makes very detailed and well though out analyses + he never hesitates to call out and criticize AMD on their bad products ( GPU's lately ) .

2) Adored TV doesn't make up numbers ! He is well respected within the PC hardware community ( he earned that respect ) as for example Hardware Unboxed gave him credits in their latest video and if that's not enough he got credits from AMD CEO herself ! Weird for someone who makes up numbers don't you think ? Yeah NO you like it or not he has real sources !


Should his words be taken as gospel ? Ofcourse NOT but fact is Adored TV always tries to verify and publish only the leaks who come from trusted sources , sometimes leaks are spot on sometimes they aren't .... saying Adored TV is an AMD fanboy or that he makes up numbers shows that you know nothing about the guy and his work so yeah......

Xx Tek Tip xX
"Almost every"
>11% do it at a greater voltage than you specified.

I wouldn't waste your time, h

AnarchoPrimitivYeah, I really wish AMD would make a powerhouse APU....the finished product having similar package dimensions to a Threadripper CPU (hell, they can even use the same socket). Basically, I'd like at least 8 zen 2 cores, and enough GPU CUs to have no problem running AAA titles at 1080p and hit 60fps all day....itdbe a "guerrilla" means of threatening nvidia's lower tiers too. Don't want to get greedy, but 4-8GB of on package DRAM would be nice too, giving it a pretty big buffer before it has to start tapping into system memory.

Ive got all brand new hardware waiting to do a new build, have everythig except a videocard, but I just can't reward nvidia's avarice so I've held off...guess that's why I'm daydreaming about an APU that'd allow me to nix the videocard altogether

Just one little problem, for that kind of GPU power you are looking at probably 150w at the least, with AMD anyway, add another 95w for the CPU/IO/Interconnects etc and you have a 250w behmoth APU that will need some serious cooling not too mention you couldnt fit such a GPU die onto even a TR size package, if you could we would have GPU's on a PCIE card the size of a small PCIE wifi/ethernet card

My 9700k does 5,2 at 1,31v full stable too. So there are 2 chips already doing it, yet you say I have no credibility? Also I said 5,1/5,2. I don´t know about a single 9700k that doesn´t do at least 5,1ghz with 1,35v. Not my fault that you can´t read properly.

Internet is full of AMD bots everywhere, because that´s trendy. People like to bash Intel and Nvidia, yet they still deliver the best products. Facts. Deal with it.

I will believe in AMD Zen 2 performance when I see it, as always. I don´t feed dumb rumours spreaded by the game guy that said Radeon VII would obliterate every nvidia card (AdoredTv). You believe in what you want. Let´s wait for the full release and then we can comment on the performance.

RH92Stop spreading BS please !

1) Adored TV is far from being an AMD fanboy . He is an AMD fan indeed ( he has the right to ) BUT when it comes to his job he always makes very detailed and well though out analyses + he never hesitates to call out and criticize AMD on their bad product ( GPU's lately ) .

2) Adored TV doesn't make up numbers ! He is well respected within the PC hardware community ( he earned that respect ) as for example Hardware Unboxed gave him credits in their latest video and if that's not enough he got credits from AMD CEO herself ! Weird for someone who makes up numbers don't you think ? Yeah NO you like it or not he has real sources !


Should his words be taken as gospel ? Ofcourse NOT , sometimes leaks are very close to reality sometimes they aren't but saying Adored TV is an AMD fanboy or that he makes up numbers shows that you know nothing about the guy and his work so yeah......

He is indeed a fanboy. THe guy that said Zen+ would obliterate Intel in gaming because the IPC was up to 20% higher, and said Zen+ would reach 4,5ghz clocks. Short story, they reach 4,2ghz and that´s already a stretch, and IPC wasn´t that much improved. He also said Radeon VII would obliterate RTX 2080ti, but then he proceeds to delete the videos where he "preditcs" stuff.. ironic.

Manu_PTMy 9700k does 5,2 at 1,31v full stable too. So there are 2 chips already doing it, yet you say I have no credibility? Also I said 5,1/5,2. I don´t know about a single 9700k that doesn´t do at least 5,1ghz with 1,35v. Not my fault that you can´t read properly.

Internet is full of AMD bots everywhere, because that´s trendy. People like to bash Intel and Nvidia, yet they still deliver the best products. Facts. Deal with it.

I will believe in AMD Zen 2 performance when I see it, as always. I don´t feed dumb rumours spreaded by the game guy that said Radeon VII would obliterate every nvidia card (AdoredTv). You believe in what you want. Let´s wait for the full release and then we can comment on the performance.



He is indeed a fanboy. THe guy that said Zen+ would obliterate Intel in gaming because the IPC was up to 20% higher, and said Zen+ would reach 4,5ghz clocks. Short story, they reach 4,2ghz and that´s already a stretch, and IPC wasn´t that much improved. He also said Radeon VII would obliterate RTX 2080ti, but then he proceeds to delete the videos where he "preditcs" stuff.. ironic.

Right now, in May 2019 if you want high-end performance, you go Intel + Nvidia. Period. Will Zen 2 or Navi change that? I have no idea. I will rather wait and see, not spread "intel is done" kind of BS before the prodcuts actually release, just like AMD did with Nvidia volta by using the famous (now a meme) ad "poor volta". Laughable.

Okay, so possibly more chips can hit 5ghz than I originally thought.. If you take a look at Siliconlottery.com they tell you how likely each chip is to reach that speed.. They just updated it because the numbers were lower when I looked a while back..

I don't agree with that if you need high end performance you buy Intel and Nvidia. Maybe if you need "the best of the best." and even then, at 4k, Ryzen works just as good as Intel. I sold my entire 9700k @5.2 with a ftw3 2080 for a Ryzen build with a Radeon VII. I also went custom loop after I legit considered a 2080 ti.. I don't just game, though, and Zen WILL BE the better buy. 2% slower or not. Once I can get zen 2, it's a wrap. If you don't consider that high end then I just don't know what to tell you..

This isn't Bulldozer at 4.8ghz..

Not everyone is playing 1080p and need the most FPS they can get. Everyone knows the CPU matters less when going up in resolution.. The only GPU I would get at this point in time from Nvidia is a 2080 ti. AMD as of now just plain offers a better experience with their software and drivers.. On top of that they get better and better. And this is coming from someone who had a Vega 64, Radeon VII, 1080 ti, and 2080.. All of those being the highest of the highest end, unless you specifically need Intel for a certain task..

Zen 2 may not match Intels performance but if you really think it's not going to close the gap enough to not make a damn difference then you're just delusional. Also, even if AMD remains 5% behind Intel in preformance, guess what? The only thing Intel will be good for is gaming. That's it. Of course there's a few things/programs that benefits from each platform but even at 5% behind Intel it would be stupid to buy a more expensive processor with less cores for a 5% boost in only gaming

Pownage countdown here we go and this won't be pretty for Intel!!!

Just like core duo was the best thing to ever happen in 2006, Ryzen 3000 is the best thing to ever happen in 2019 for the pc comunity as a whole.