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AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Beats GeForce RTX 2070 in a Spectrum of Games

Jun 10th, 2019 14:14 Discuss (106 Comments)

The 9.75 TFLOPs figure in the leaked specifications slide of the Radeon RX 5700 XT "Navi" graphics card from earlier today got many guessing if AMD is essentially putting RX Vega-level performance into a GPU that sips a fraction of its power. It turns out that AMD's claim of the RX 5700 XT being faster than the GeForce RTX 2070 wasn't just specific to the odd super-optimized game title, but a whole selection of games, many of which some with GameWorks varnish, some of which even support NVIDIA RTX.

AMD's [leaked] performance slide for the Radeon RX 5700 XT sees the card beat the RTX 2070 in "Assassin's Creed: Odyssey," "Battlefield V," "CoD: Black Ops 4," "Far Cry: New Dawn," "Metro Exodus," Tom Clancy's "The Division 2," "The Witcher 3," and Tom Clancy's "Ghost Recon: Wildlands." The card is also striking distance behind the RTX 2070 at "Shadow of the Tomb Raider," and Sid Meier's "Civilisation 6." All games in this slide are tested at 1440p resolution, with in-game settings maxed out (although we're waiting to read the Endnotes on whether "max out" in NVIDIA's context means turning on RTX on some of these games). The RX 5070 XT beats the RTX 2070 by as much as 22 percent in "Battlefield V," and 15 percent in "Metro Exodus," and is claimed to be within single-digit percentage ahead of the RTX 2070. There's another picture of the RX 5070 XT reference board in this slide, and unless we're mistaken, we spy two 8-pin PCIe power connectors. We'll learn more about this card in a few hours from now.

Source: Spartan Geek (Twitter)

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106 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Beats GeForce RTX 2070 in a Spectrum of Games

#26

kings

HD64GMany more details from videocardz.com. The main readon for the big increase in performance for the same compute power as the Vega 56 is the doubling on the ROPS vs the RX590. The cut RX5700 one will be almost 25% slower than the full one, almost tied to Vega 64 performance for 56% of its cores. Big change in IPC (instactions per core) indeed with Navi. Finally a gaming specific GPU to chase nVidia down. Maybe the big Navi will get to the top of the consumper GPUs in 2020? Let's see...

I'm not as optimistic as some, AMD with 7nm is competing with Nvidia's 12nm/16nm cards. We have to wait until Nvidia makes the transition to 7nm, to see how things will stay!

And, not everything is architectural improvements, much of the performance is due to the much higher clocks.

#27

erocker

EarthDogBecause people care more about silence at idle than care about the immeasurable (because it hasnt been measured..:p ) difference due to the stresses of fan starts and stops instead of constantly running.

I guess? I would think it would be better for the fan to run at a lower RPM (quieter than most background noise) A lot of my smaller industrial fans at work, work this way. Eh, I suppose fans breaking down after things like warranty expire are pretty desirable for card manufacturers.

#28

EarthDog

I don't know. I believe you, but people just dont care enough to worry.

#29

xkm1948

I do wonder when GCN based cards (as opposed to RDNA based) will be moved onto legacy support. I think it happened fairly fast with previous tetra-scale GPUs?

At least the optimization for RX GPUs is probably gonna stop soon. Happened during transition from R9 to RX, and this is an even larger transition.

#30

Kenneth Waycaster

Will AMD ever beat Nvidia at high end gaming?

#31

ZoneDymo

"The card is also striking distance behind the RTX 2070 at "Shadow of the Tomb Raider," and Sid Meier's "Civilisation 6." "

striking distance? I read 1 - 3% ....

Kenneth WaycasterWill AMD ever beat Nvidia at high end gaming?

The 295x2 was the fastest card for a long time so yes they have.

#32

Turmania

Looks good, sounds promising. But there is one issue I can not ignore, and that is that, Nvdia still has to play the die shrink card and when that happens, gap will be even more same with Intel on the CPU front.

#33

Darmok N Jalad

erockerWhy are people all about idle fan off? Starting and stopping a motor creates excessive wear from torque.

But does it actually cycle more or less? If the fan never turns on under non-gaming, then you’ve reduced start-stop wear every time you wake from sleep and not load the GPU before the next sleep cycle.

#34

EarthDog

Darmok N JaladBut does it actually cycle more or less? If the fan never turns on under non-gaming, then you’ve reduced start-stop wear every time you wake from sleep and not load the GPU before the next sleep cycle.

But you've introduced another start/stop cycle too. Every time you stop and start gaming for example. Use case would determine it, but I dont see a huge difference either way

#35

Fluffmeister

ZoneDymoThe 295x2 was the fastest card for a long time so yes they have.

And that launched at $1500, and could heat the house and the hot tub at the same time.

#36

Nkd

You really think AMD turning on rtx for max out option even remotely possible.

Lol amd 5700 couldn’t possibly be that slow rofl!

#37

TheoneandonlyMrK

TurmaniaLooks good, sounds promising. But there is one issue I can not ignore, and that is that, Nvdia still has to play the die shrink card and when that happens, gap will be even more same with Intel on the CPU front.

This is 7Nm , Nvidia is said to be using Samsung's foundry, These things are not so clear cut, it could go either way.

Sounds good ,but i cant help but wonder which of the three new Navi Sku beats a 2070 ?

#38

danbert2000

This is looking good for AMD, but unfortunately Nvidia already has their "SUPER" cards waiting to make the 5700 XT look too expensive compared to the regular 2070 or too slow compared to the 2070 Super. Still, really impressive if they can put out a GPU that finally matches the 1080 in power consumption and TDP. A bit late, of course. But still this card is going to be much more tempting than a Vega 64, and AMD really just needs to keep somewhat relevant until they can get the bigger Navi's out.

#39

B-Real

danbert2000This is looking good for AMD, but unfortunately Nvidia already has their "SUPER" cards waiting to make the 5700 XT look too expensive compared to the regular 2070 or too slow compared to the 2070 Super. Still, really impressive if they can put out a GPU that finally matches the 1080 in power consumption and TDP. A bit late, of course. But still this card is going to be much more tempting than a Vega 64, and AMD really just needs to keep somewhat relevant until they can get the bigger Navi's out.

This.

TurmaniaLooks good, sounds promising. But there is one issue I can not ignore, and that is that, Nvdia still has to play the die shrink card and when that happens, gap will be even more same with Intel on the CPU front.

Intel had years to do it, possibly they can do it next year, but there will be the next Zen. GPU-wise, the gap is around the same in performance as the pre-Zen (FX) vs. Intel era. But if they did it with the CPU, one day they might do it to with the GPU.

#40

Nkd

illlithis is cool and all... but really would have made more of an impact if this came out last year. barely better than a 2070 isn't going to convince the throng of buyers who already bought their 2070 cards. if amd can made their product cycle closer to nv releases, there would be a lot more competition. otherwise this staggered approach... whether intentional or not, is kind of between the 2070 and the nv refresh cards rumored to come out.

This isn't for the people who already bought 2070. Common now lol.

#41

Zubasa

xkm1948I do wonder when GCN based cards (as opposed to RDNA based) will be moved onto legacy support. I think it happened fairly fast with previous tetra-scale GPUs?

At least the optimization for RX GPUs is probably gonna stop soon. Happened during transition from R9 to RX, and this is an even larger transition.

Vega should be safe for now.
I mean AMD just released the Radeon VII based on Vega this Feb, it would be suicidal on AMD's PR for them to just drop support on something they released this year.
By extension it shouldn't be hard to keep supporting the original Vega as well.
The Vega 56 sold relatively well after the price drops.

#42

ratirt

I wonder if there is any OC potential with this card. If so then maybe I will wait for the NAVI release? I'm still thinking about the Radeon VII purchase.
Crap. No idea what to do but I guess I will wait.

#43

Xzibit

#44

Crackong

danbert2000This is looking good for AMD, but unfortunately Nvidia already has their "SUPER" cards waiting to make the 5700 XT look too expensive compared to the regular 2070 or too slow compared to the 2070 Super. Still, really impressive if they can put out a GPU that finally matches the 1080 in power consumption and TDP. A bit late, of course. But still this card is going to be much more tempting than a Vega 64, and AMD really just needs to keep somewhat relevant until they can get the bigger Navi's out.

I really hope the rumored pricing for those super cards isn't real, or I will be super upset for that overpriced 2080 I bought last year.

#45

Unregistered

ratirtI wonder if there is any OC potential with this card. If so then maybe I will wait for the NAVI release? I'm still thinking about the Radeon VII purchase.
Crap. No idea what to do but I guess I will wait.

449 for at least 85% or more of the performance or 700+ for 5-15% more...

I own a Radeon VII and am thinking about switching just to recoup some costs if performance is even closer with custom models. The 5700 XT should perform incredibly similarly woth a 2700x and performs exceptionally well in Radeon VII's worst benchmarks, so an overclocked model with better cooling and better (stable) overclocking potential is probably going to be just as fast and get me at least 100 euros back.

#46

delshay

Xzibit

I don't like the top part where it dips. It looks like someone had drop it or it has melted. In-short it looks damaged like someone squashed it.
It does look damaged by looking at the top part where it says "RADEON"

#47

Vayra86

erockerWhy are people all about idle fan off? Starting and stopping a motor creates excessive wear from torque.

And more noticeable noise from spin-up and spin-down. Much better to have a more constant breeze.

delshayI don't like the top part where it dips. It looks like someone had drop it or it has melted. In-short it looks damaged like someone squashed it.
It does look damaged by looking at the top part where it says "RADEON"

I agree completely. Weird shroud, struggling to see 'why' they designed it like this. I do like it otherwise, it looks more understated and serious than Nvidia's blowers.

CrackongI really hope the rumored pricing for those super cards isn't real, or I will be super upset for that overpriced 2080 I bought last year.

Nobody ever said that was a sensible buy in the first place, not sure why you're surprised it will be eclipsed...

danbert2000keep somewhat relevant until they can get the bigger Navi's out.

That is really the problem isn't it. Time to market. By the time Navi 20 is out, Nvidia has the next sucker punch waiting.

#48

medi01

Non XT version of 5700 looks quite a bit faster than 2060:

Kenneth WaycasterWill AMD ever beat Nvidia at high end gaming?

You mean "will AMD have somethign to beat 754mm^2 card that costs $1300 and hardly anyone buys"?
When they get some spare R&D money to have a separate project just for LOLs.

#49

ratirt

Hugh Mungus449 for at least 85% or more of the performance or 700+ for 5-15% more...

I own a Radeon VII and am thinking about switching just to recoup some costs if performance is even closer with custom models. The 5700 XT should perform incredibly similarly woth a 2700x and performs exceptionally well in Radeon VII's worst benchmarks, so an overclocked model with better cooling and better (stable) overclocking potential is probably going to be just as fast and get me at least 100 euros back.

That's a really valuable point. Thanks for that. I will wait for the new NAVI and get one of these. I hope there will be higher end models with NAVI chip announced soon. I'd go for the top notch model when out.

#50

cyneater

trparkyWhat's wrong with blower-style cards?

Blowers are epic like the blowers on the Detroit diesel 2 strokes :P

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