TheLostSwedev
Brave, or you don't care about your data...

I've been running raid 0 for 10+ years. Haven't had an issue. It's migrating to a new raid array that's a pain.
Any actual important stuff is backed up in the cloud.

As long as there's backup raid0 is fine. Otherwise I wouldn't risk my data.

TheLostSwedeRight, because no money went in to making the new hardware...
And extremely expensive, lol, dude, you clearly have no memory of what SSDs used to cost. This is affordable for a next level piece of hardware.
Is it really useful, does it bring a huge user benefit? No, not really, but that's quite often the case with new tech. Did early DDR4 bring a huge benefit over last gen DDR3? No, but now we're way ahead and the same is likely to happen with PCIe 4.0 storage devices. But we need to start somewhere, no? And this is not really expensive for a first gen product.
Also, please don't go comparing this with QLC drives.

www.tweaktown.com/articles/9031/phison-ps5016-e16-pcie-ssd-first-look-preview/index3.html shows the Samsung 970 EVO Plus as superior in every metric to the preproduction sample of this drive - and it's also $250. Lemme see, am I going to go with a proven reliable Samsung product, or yet another generic Phison drive with a shiny heatsink that is faster in workloads I'll never perform... tough choice! (If Corsair was able to use Micron, or Toshiba 96L NAND, then it may be a different story.)

TheLostSwedeBrave, or you don't care about your data...

I've been using a RAID0 setup of 2x Samsung 840 Pros for half a decade, never had a single problem.

I think the main concern people have with raid, is that if 1 drive goes, you lose everything. Well, if you had 1 drive, and it goes. Not only do you lose the lot, but you also have to go and buy a new drive straight away.
At least of 1 drive goes, I can reinstall Windows on the single drive and be back up and running.
My 3 x 3tb Hitachi 7200, well...I'm hoping Sata Ssd's drop more so I can finally go completely solid-state.

MetroidFair price. I though it would be much more expensive.

With a 5 year warranty too.

That is not at all expensive, i want one when i have a 570X mobo.

megamanxtremeLet's lower those game loading times.

Storage is still the bottleneck?

The M2 970 EVO loads games only 2-4% faster than the SATA3 860 EVO, so these will be even more useless for gaming compared to PCI-e 3.0.

PumperThe M2 970 EVO loads games only 2-4% faster than the SATA3 960 EVO

960 EVO is also PCI-e 3.0 x4...
And you're full of BS with "only 2-4% faster than SATA", I have both SATA and NVMe drives in my PC and the loading times difference is quite huge. In some games less than half.
And I know because it's easy to move games between drives directly in Steam, and check the results after a reboot (to clear any leftovers in the OS cache)

--- Back to the topic MP600 price is a bit steep, considering that their current MP510 offer is usually selling around $130. Eh, early adopter tax.

PumperThe M2 970 EVO loads games only 2-4% faster than the SATA3 960 EVO

[citation needed]

Considering game loading is mostly sequential reads, the area where the higher bandwidth of NVMe devices would most help them versus SATA ones... yeah no.

4.95 GB/s sequential write speed and up to 4.25 GB/s sequential read.

The write speed is faster than the read speed? :eek:

Wavetrex960 EVO is also PCI-e 3.0 x4...
And you're full of BS with "only 2-4% faster than SATA", I have both SATA and NVMe drives in my PC and the loading times difference is quite huge. In some games less than half.
And I know because it's easy to move games between drives directly in Steam, and check the results after a reboot (to clear any leftovers in the OS cache)

--- Back to the topic MP600 price is a bit steep, considering that their current MP510 offer is usually selling around $130. Eh, early adopter tax.

*860 EVO.

Anyway, I can show some real results, i.e.


vs. your anecdotal claims.

Vlada011OK. How much you say it's fastest speed of PCI-E 3.0?
I didn't know some SSD reach almost maximum. I doubt PCI-E 3.0 will be produced any more.

M.2 standards support maximum 4-lane in PCI-e X.0 mode [X=1,2,3,4,5] and SATA3 6Gbps in SATA mode.

Single lane PCI-e supports 8GT/s or 8000MT/s. PCI-e 3.0 use 128b/130b encoding which have 98.4% efficiency. So actual theoretical transfer rate of PCI-e 3.0 is 7876.92MT/s or 984MB/s. For 4-lane = 4*984=3936MB/s, but there are some overheads like protocol overhead and others. So theoretical top speed of 4 lane PCI-e for real use is 3750-3800MB/s.

IceShroomM.2 standards support maximum 4-lane in PCI-e X.0 mode [X=1,2,3,4,5] and SATA3 6Gbps in SATA mode.

So theoretical top speed of 4 lane PCI-e for real use is 3750-3800MB/s.

And this is about what you get from most single top-tier nvme drives like sammy, WD etc...

I dare anyone to show me proof of getting anywhere near that from a single SATA drive.....pfff

Yay, I love paying double the price for no real noticeable performance improvement!

TheLostSwedeNow where are the people that were complaining about jacked up prices for PCIe 4.0 hardware?

I'm right here, and sure enough we are looking at a ~150% price premium just for PCI-E 4.0.

Vlada011What happen when you install him on PCI-E 3.0.
How close is to his speed on PCI-E 4.0 interface?

Manupulation with new standards have huge impact on customers decision and companies know that and want to charge.
As they charged 50$ for same motherboards with USB 3.1 Gen 2 controller 2015. Now is 2019 0.5% here on enthusiasts forum, not among normal population, 0.5% of enthusiasts have External HDD USB 3.1 Gen 2 or USB Flash memory USB 3.1 Gen 2 4 years later.
Some of them both motherboards with same chipset because of that and replaced whole platform again 2-3 times before USB 3.1 Gen 2 become more often.
Actually USB 2.0 is still far more common then USB 3.1.

We will be witnesses of day when same graphic card, same SSD, and other new controllers will work faster on AMD platform then on Intel.
Who could imagine that 3 years after Bulldozer when Intel smash everything asking 1000 then 1700$ for 8-10 cores processors.
AMD moved everything forward, without Zen Core people would still use Intel X99 except minor part of population who pay to have newest not because need more performance. But with AMD all previous processors looks different. 2 years earlier AMD would destroyed launch of X99 and Intel only hope would be overclocking processors 500-700MHz to save platform. i7-5960X can work on 4.2GHz Turbo and that would be his frequency, not 3.5GHz.

Aren't computer parts "female"? Asking for a friend

Nice looking heatsink, how hot is this thing getting.....opening price isn't bad for new PCIe 4.0

ur6beersawayAren't computer parts "female"? Asking for a friend

Nice looking heatsink, how hot is this thing getting.....opening price isn't bad for new PCIe 4.0

Their both :P.

Anyways the price will come down over time it's just that it's new on top of PCI-4 being new as well.

I'll remind the lot of you complaining about 25 cents per gigabyte for high end solid state drives being expensive that not that long ago we were celebrating prices dipping below 1.00 dollars per gigabyte for budget solid state drives.

Well its going to be boot drive in my X3800 setup after the 7.7.

ParticleI'll remind the lot of you complaining about 25 cents per gigabyte for high end solid state drives being expensive that not that long ago we were celebrating prices dipping below 1.00 dollars per gigabyte for budget solid state drives.

That's got nothing to do with this drive being overpriced.

PumperAnyway, I can show some random video off youtube,

vs. ...

... my computer which I am using every day

You are free to believe anything you want. Including that a certain planet has a certain shape. Not my problem.

Wavetrex... my computer which I am using every day

I've seen plenty for months with the same outcome, or very close in relation. I'm curious of your statement, mind recording it? Maybe the recording software bottlenecked the processor and storage? This could really help.

Wavetrex... my computer which I am using every day

You are free to believe anything you want. Including that a certain planet has a certain shape. Not my problem.

That is just one example, you are free to look up more tests, but of course you won't, and I bet that you won't show actual numbers of your load times.

I'll believe "random video off youtube" rather than your "nuh uh", thanks.

PCIe 4.0 just a new excuse to do a big bump in the price of SSD:s again

They use the same high end NAND as before with an upgraded SSD controller, do not belive that it warrants a $100 raise in price.

I will stear clear untill they release PCIe 4.0 SSD:s with closer to 8GB/s read speed so you get real value for the price bump.

Very intressted in what ssd:s Samsung is releasing later this year

JismIf you put a Raid-0 Samsung evo set on a 470 board, how well do they perform related to above SSD? Proberly a tad better even.

The only X470 board that supports 2 NVME drives at full speed is the Asus Crosshair 7. Running 2 NVME drives on all the other X470 boards will not give you nearly the performance as the second slot is PCI-E 2.0 x4. Even on some baords populating the 2nd M2 slot disables the 3rd PCI-Ex16 slot that is always wired at X4.

TheLostSwedeWell, that's Japan for you...


Brave, or you don't care about your data...

RAID 0 on NVME is a lot different than on HDDs. Even RAID 0 on SSDs is much safer than HDDs. Especially if the drives have the same controller. NMVE RAID 0 can be spread across up to 7 drives on TR4. Not that I would do that though.

$250 for a 1TB PCI-E 4.0 drive is not bad considering that even though prices have come down in the last year. A conversion to CAD dollars would be $327.13 vs $439.99 for the Evo. That makes this drive $31 more expensive than the MP 510 at the same capacity. Sure enough there is a listing for it on Amazon.ca for $347.10 so a $19.97 premium over the MSRP.

www.amazon.ca/Corsair-Force-MP600-Gen4-PCIe/dp/B07SQZYW2V/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?keywords=corsair+mp300+1tb&qid=1561728322&s=electronics&sr=1-2-fkmr1

www.amazon.ca/Corsair-CSSD-F960GBMP510-Force-MP510-960GB/dp/B07HR78FQ5/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?keywords=corsair+mp510+1tb&qid=1561728236&s=electronics&sr=1-2-fkmr0


www.amazon.ca/Samsung-970-EVO-M-2-MZ-V7E1T0BW/dp/B07BN217QG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=samsung+970+evo+1tb&qid=1561728167&s=electronics&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1

I do agree with some that you can get the same performance in RAID 0 with 2 PCI-E 3.0 drives but you would get double the performance for less money by buying 2 MP600 1TB than 1 2TB 970 EVO
.
www.amazon.ca/Samsung-970-EVO-M-2-MZ-V7E2T0BW/dp/B07C8Y31G1/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=2TB+NVME+drive&qid=1561728481&s=electronics&sr=1-3

PumperThat is just one example, you are free to look up more tests, but of course you won't, and I bet that you won't show actual numbers of your load times.

I'll believe "random video off youtube" rather than your "nuh uh", thanks.

Funny *grabs porpcorn* how you both poke each other with pitchforks trying to prove different opinnions... The truth is, average consumer is simply blind to realize the premium feeling of NVMe, because time is undetectable in naked eye and those who count seconds on fingers are dumb :). The question remains, is spending 50-70% more for saving 10-30 seconds worth it? Sure, dudes with deep wallets and no family upkeep can spend even 6 grands on PC and barely exploit it's power capabilities, but then there are those who barely make ends meet. NVMe were meant for heavy workloads to begin with, but then gamers "raised" such a r*tarded stereotype everyone follows (same individuals screaming "why you buy PC AND DON'T OVERCLOCK?", because not everyone is a goddamn enthusiast or settle their asses to care much). And such argument comes from a dude using 970 Pro and SN750 for workstation; cheap ass 480 GB SSD for game library.