People calm down and stop complaining about this company! :D It's like apple phones: some people just like to pay more 'because', and its their right. Agreed you have to wonder sometimes what goes through a persons head to throw money so ineffectively after someting, but its up to them. They are the whales of capitalism and let them flow; then we sharks can do your own thing. Theres space enough in the ocean for both.

VarioAs they say, a "boat is a hole in the water in which to pour money". Better keep that scalp game strong.


Its standard practice among all the semi conductor companies to bin wafers to allocate lower quality to cut down SKU, it creates the pricing structure. Over time usually the yields improve and either the low end SKU can be overclocked or even unlocked, as it comes from better silicon than it was initially allocated for that SKU, or the prices come down on all SKUs, or the clock speeds improve on all SKUs in the following revision.

For some sailors, BOAT stand for, break out another thousand.
I enjoy sailing, it lets me relax and enjoy something I love to do. Some people enjoy sports or weed to relax, and i enjoy the ocean.

EarthDogIf only...

I ran Super Pi, a single threaded application and one core boosted to 4.341 GHz... short of the 4.4 GHz advertised. Even if I set affinity of the application it's still the same. My CPU, and I've heard others complain, has not hit its rated boost clock across 5 motherboards.

Oh, and it didn't stay there, it kept bouncing around...

Maybe shut down all the other cores and test it on 1 core only.

yotano211Dude, 4.6ghz is on single core, if you load all cores on all ryzen 2 processors, they will max out at 4.2-4.3.

dude, i get 4.2ghz on my 3600 1.30v on all cores.

yotano211Maybe shut down all the other cores and test it on 1 core only.

I did... I set affinity for the application to use one core.

Shutting them is not worth the effort. These arent seeming to boost where they say... it's just that simple.

Ryzen 9 3900X

• 4.20 GHz @ 1.25 V, $810

Or save that money for the 3950X with 33% more cores.

Intel has factory super binned CPUs... 8086K and 9900KS both super binned.

SL versions are 5.3GHz AVX-2 (Pre-Delidded)

Or just wait and buy an Intel i9-9900KS Factory Turbo All Cores 5GHz

Wondering if AMD will sell factory Boost super binned CPUs like the 8086K and 9900KS? Oh wait wasn't the 2700X Annaverty Edition super binned?

Then there's no point to SL if Intel and AMD releases Super binned CPUs series.

If you ask me it has become sad now. The "Silicon lottery" has been made as a new brand of processors that are being sold for instead of a lucky customer winner who purchased a cpu and can be proud of its high clocs.

ToxicTaZOh wait wasn't the 2700X Annaverty Edition super binned?

No. No they were not.

xorbeRyzen 9 3900X

• 4.20 GHz @ 1.25 V, $810

Or save that money for the 3950X with 33% more cores.

And potentially even higher clocks, since those dies are very likely to be binned by AMD themselves.

ToxicTaZThen there's no point to SL if Intel and AMD releases Super binned CPUs series.

They are just going to ultra-bin the super binned ... The Show scam Must Go On !

As for the people that put the angry face on my posts, knock yourselves out. Won't change the fact that the post-sale "binning" and 2nd hand selling unaltered overpriced CPUs is a scam.
(Well, it's a little scam, enough to get by with authorities...)

The only actual valid service is delidding Intel CPUs. That one is somewhat fine. Most people don't have the tools to do so themselves.
However that is scammy as well, because if you actually use LM on that delidded CPU, it will void their warranty.
Why bother delidding if you can't put a superior thermal material there?

WavetrexAs for the people that put the angry face on my posts, knock yourselves out. Won't change the fact that the post-sale "binning" is a scam.

Yes, selling cherry picked CPUs is quite clearly a "scam", seems like you've woken up on the wrong side of the bed.

I've had a good experience buying from SL.. only wish I didn't have to pay VAT on top of their mark up when getting it sent to UK.
I bought an 1800X binned for 4.1ghz @ ≤1.44v, worked exactly as advertised, in fact for gaming it's happy at 4.15ghz 1.45v which is where the chip has been run for most of it's life.

The first 1800X I got wasn't great and realistically would only clock to 4.0 all core, since i'd spent a ton on a decent watercooling loop I wanted a better chip than that to justify it, but in hind sight I should have saved my money and lived with it.

@Wavetrex Binning isn't a scam, it's a premium service and you get what you pay for. If you absolutely want a 9900k that's stable @ 5.1ghz or any other processor that's a particularly good sample, and don't want to take the chance of getting an average or poor chip you pay the extra for a 3rd party to cherry pick out the best of the bunch. They extensively stress test the processor and guarantee you will be able to do whatever frequency at whatever voltage. It isn't a complicated concept.

edit:
I noticed the "you'd have to be extremely lucky to get a skylake that can't do 5Ghz" discussion earlier.. The best I can push my 6700K to is 4.8ghz at 1.58v iirc, that's running bare die with liquid metal and waterblock sitting straight on top with 360mm of radiator and a D5 pump. It had the best chance it would ever get and couldn't get to 5Ghz, I wouldn't even attempt to do a 1hr stress test on it running at that voltage.

Fine, I give up.
Thanks @infrared for the long explanation. Enjoy your CPUs.

WavetrexFine, I give up.
Thanks @infrared for the long explanation. Enjoy your CPUs.

Ty.. I mean I doubt any of us nutters that buy binned cpus would recommend it to the average guy building a PC, objectively it throws value out the window, but if you love overclocking it's frustrating when you stumble on a dud, and makes this kind of thing very tempting. We don't usually care much for the warranty either, my 6700k went in the Vice the same day I powered it up and saw the crazy temps lol. And tbh if I killed any of my processors I wouldn't try to RMA them, knowing how hard I've pushed them at times.

WavetrexAs for the people that put the angry face on my posts, knock yourselves out. Won't change the fact that the post-sale "binning" and 2nd hand selling unaltered overpriced CPUs is a scam.

You really don't understand the concept of value-added services, do you?

R-T-BYou really don't understand the concept of value-added services, do you?

lets not rehash the last 3 pages lol

R-T-BYou really don't understand the concept of value-added services, do you?

"Doctors are a scam, I mean all they do is look at your illness (which already existed) and tell you which pills (that were already on the shelf) to buy to fix it. Won't change the fact that recommending unaltered, overpriced medication is a scam!"

GlacierNine"Doctors are a scam, I mean all they do is look at your illness (which already existed) and tell you which pills (that were already on the shelf) to buy to fix it. Won't change the fact that recommending unaltered, overpriced medication is a scam!"

Read the post above yours.

Xx Tek Tip xXRead the post above yours.

I wanted to joke, so I joked. Don't try and obligate me to anything man, that's just rude.

infraredlets not rehash the last 3 pages lol

Sorry. I'm numb to pain...

yotano211I make lots of money when ever apple comes out with anything new. When the last airpods came out, I bought tons of the wireless charging case version at $249 and would sell them on Craiglist or ebay for $290-320. I didnt scam anyone out of anything, if I was scamming people I wouldnt have shipped anything out and just kept their money.
And yes, I am a registered business located in Oklahoma. Reselling items bought me that boat in the avatar to your left. So instead of complaining about it, do something about it. Start something yourself.

The scam starts when people like you buy all avaliable inventory and resell. Why not become a retailer?

R-T-BSorry. I'm numb to pain...

Embrace it, let it cleanse you.

FrickEmbrace it, let it cleanse you.

I think that's part of the problem at this point frick... crossed that threshold long ago. :laugh:

FrickThe scam starts when people like you buy all avaliable inventory and resell. Why not become a retailer?

No, the scam starts when someone sells an empty box at full retail price on ebay.

R-T-BNo, the scam starts when someone sells an empty box at full retail price on ebay.

I definitely consider it a scam when people buy limited stock stuff (like all of it) and then sell it at > twice the price. That was likely not exactly the case with the airpod things, but it still grinds my gears a bit.

FrickThe scam starts when people like you buy all avaliable inventory and resell. Why not become a retailer?



Embrace it, let it cleanse you.

Its not scamming, its reselling.
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Eh. Is reselling like that a scam? No. There's no duplicity or deceit involved, the buyer gets what they're prepared to pay for.

Is it still somewhat scummy and abusive of the buyer? Absolutely, and people are right to be annoyed at it, even if they are misidentifying it.

No thanks i don’t want to be scammed again by this company.