Thursday, July 25th 2019

Silicon Lottery Starts Selling Binned 3rd Generation AMD Ryzen CPUs

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AleksandarK
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Silicon Lottery, a company specializing in the process called binning which involves testing of CPUs for particular features (overclocking potential in this case), has released its portfolio of 3rd generation of Ryzen CPUs. As of now, they are offering only Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 models, covering Ryzen 7 3700X, 3800X and Ryzen 9 3900X. Ryzen 9 3950X is said to be introduced in September and that is the date Silicon Lottery will reveal the information about overclocking potential of that model and frequencies they have achieved. Mid range Ryzen 5 models should be added at later date as well.
They have achieved the following frequencies at targeted voltage and price:

Ryzen 7 3700X
  • 4.05 GHz @ 1.237 V, $300
  • 4.10 GHz @ 1.25 V, $320
  • 4.15 GHz @ 1.26 V, $340
Ryzen 7 3800X
  • 4.20 GHz @ 1.275 V, $370
  • 4.25 GHz @ 1.287 V, $430
  • 4.30 GHz @ 1.300 V, $610
Ryzen 9 3900X
  • 4.00 GHz @ 1.200 V, $470
  • 4.05 GHz @ 1.212 V, $500
  • 4.10 GHz @ 1.225 V, $530
  • 4.15 GHz @ 1.237 V, $590
  • 4.20 GHz @ 1.25 V, $810
It is interesting to note that Ryzen 9 3900X has achieved better frequencies at lower core Voltage than Ryzen 7 3800X. That is possibly due to better binning AMD does on its side for higher end models. For more information about the current lineup of AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen CPUs, you can check out Silicon Lottery's website.

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92 Comments on Silicon Lottery Starts Selling Binned 3rd Generation AMD Ryzen CPUs

#1
Metroid
Those prices are a joke, is ryzen really that bad like this? maybe i hit the silicon lottery then, my 3600 can hit 4.2ghz at 1.30v 24/7 stable, stock cooler, imagine if i put an aio or custom watercooling, 1.20v easy.
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#2
Nuke Dukem
Sooooo, lemme see:

4.2 -> 4.3 GHz = 2.3% frequency increase
$370 -> $610 = 64.8% price increase
That's $2.40 per MHz.

4.0 -> 4.2 GHz = 5% frequency increase
$470 -> $810 = 72.3% price increase
That's $1.70 per MHz.

What a bargain! I guess your e-penis can never be big enough... :rolleyes:
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#3
Wavetrex
Shame on TPU for promoting this SCAM company.

Big thumbsdown for this "article".
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#4
ObiFrost
MetroidThose prices are a joke, is ryzen really that bad like this? maybe i hit the silicon lottery then, my 3600 can hit 4.2ghz at 1.30v 24/7 stable, stock cooler, imagine if i put an aio or custom watercooling, 1.20v easy.
Nah, iirc SL was debunked ages ago as a scam (since 8th gen or earlier idk accurately), but enthusiasts continue purchasing their, over the roof, priced pile of trash (unless the consumer is hands down hardcore whore for frequency and can't achieve themselves then perhaps it's sensible choice for those individuals) despite acknowledging they're frauds.
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#5
Arrakis9
WavetrexShame on TPU for promoting this SCAM company.

Big thumbsdown for this "article".
not sure how you consider them a scam, no one is forcing you to buy from SL. they offer a service and post the results very clearly, that is what you are paying extra for nothing more.
ObiFrostNah, iirc SL was debunked ages ago as a scam (since 8th gen or earlier idk accurately), but enthusiasts continue purchasing their, over the roof, priced pile of trash (unless the consumer is hands down hardcore whore for frequency and can't achieve themselves then perhaps it's sensible choice for those individuals) despite acknowledging they're frauds.
neither of you even bothered to look at the $30 discount SL is offering for its "dud" base level chips that dont do high all core overclocks. explain to me how giving a discount over retail pricing is scamming some one?
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#6
Unregistered
They're sold out of everything.
Obviously somebody buys this kind of stuff.
#7
Tomgang
Ryzen is not a great overclocker, no matter what. Every time it seems ryzen 3000 top's out at 4.2 to 4.4 ghz. Most at 4.3 ghz. Only difference from these cpu and others you buy cheaper, is that silicon lottery binned cpu can hit those clock at a lower voltage good for noise, needed cooling and power bill.

But that 3900X for 810 usd. That must be a joke. And with lauch first til september any way, i think i am way better of waiting for 3950X that's cheaper, more cores and threads + as i know it, amd them self is bining chiplets for 3950X, infact amd is maybe even saving the very best chiplets for 3950X, so this cpu will have the lowest voltage vs. Core clock out of any ryzen 3000 cpu. So up at that price point and lauch time, i would say ryzen 9 3950X will properly turn out to be a way better choise.
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#8
megamanxtreme
jmcslobThey're sold out of everything.
Obviously somebody buys this kind of stuff.
Or that's what they want you to think.
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#9
Eskimonster
First impression is that AMD 3000 is the worst chip ever to OC.
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#10
Crackong
Now I know my 3700x worth $430.
Thanks Silicon Lottery.
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#11
Imsochobo
EskimonsterFirst impression is that AMD 3000 is the worst chip ever to OC.
or the best just plug it in and works chip, depends how you look at it, I know very few people who overclock their chips, they buy a 8700K doesn't overclock it.
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#12
R-T-B
WavetrexShame on TPU for promoting this SCAM company.

Big thumbsdown for this "article".
How is it a scam? They provide exactly what they say.
ObiFrostNah, iirc SL was debunked ages ago as a scam (since 8th gen or earlier idk accurately), but enthusiasts continue purchasing their, over the roof, priced pile of trash (unless the consumer is hands down hardcore whore for frequency and can't achieve themselves then perhaps it's sensible choice for those individuals) despite acknowledging they're frauds.
How are they frauds? They are expensive yes, but they do document their methodology and their chips do what they say. I purchased a Skylake 5Ghz from them on a whim long ago... guess what? Did 5Ghz.
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#13
Eskimonster
Imsochoboor the best just plug it in and works chip, depends how you look at it, I know very few people who overclock their chips, they buy a 8700K doesn't overclock it.
Me personally knows zero who clocks their chip,all them i know are online.
That dont change it OC very badly, the prizes here do reflect it.
I dont OC my chip very much atm, corse the AIO cooler is 7 years old and i dont think theres much water left.
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#14
R-T-B
megamanxtremeOr that's what they want you to think.
Selling things by claiming to not be selling things... that's an interesting take.
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#15
Wavetrex
R-T-BHow is it a scam? They provide exactly what they say.
When charging more for something made by someone else without adding anything at all, and simply stating - "it costs more because it's better", then it's a scam.
R-T-BI purchased a Skylake 5Ghz from them on a whim long ago... guess what? Did 5Ghz.
So is almost every other Skylake out there.
One needs to be extremely UNlucky to get a Skylake that doesn't do 5Ghz with a proper cooler.

I remember those days when they were charging close to $1000 for a quad core that "Does 5ghz" when pretty much 90%+ of the chips out there could be overclocked to 5 Ghz anyway, by simply disabling the iGPU and having a beefy cooler on it.
R-T-BSelling things by claiming to not be selling things... that's an interesting take.
Commerce 101.
Tighten the shown stock even if you have plenty of it, to give the illusion that the demand is high, so you can charge more per each piece

Can't get any more basic than this
- "only 1 piece left, buy it quickly !"
- "Out of stock, preorder now to get in line the moment we get them"
- "OP=OP" (that's a dutch thing... but same concept)
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#16
R-T-B
WavetrexSo is almost every other Skylake out there
The original 6700k? You know, literal Skylake? Pretty confident you are dead wrong there. 5+Ghz was like, the whole point of Kaby Lake.
WavetrexWhen charging more for something made by someone else without adding anything at all, and simply stating - "it costs more because it's better", then it's a scam
Like it or not, binning is something.
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#17
Vario
Most of the Silicon Lottery Intel CPUs have some very unimpressive clocks and high voltages relative to the price they charge, and they use AVX offset. With a good motherboard and heatsink, the average Intel CPU can do 5.0 without AVX offset and across all cores. Paying extra for Silicon Lottery is throwing money away.
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#18
EarthDog
megamanxtremeOr that's what they want you to think.
Wow.. really? SMFH...
WavetrexShame on TPU for promoting this SCAM company.

Big thumbsdown for this "article".
WavetrexWhen charging more for something made by someone else without adding anything at all, and simply stating - "it costs more because it's better", then it's a scam.
Wow.. really? SMFH...
WavetrexSo is almost every other Skylake out there.
One needs to be extremely UNlucky to get a Skylake that doesn't do 5Ghz with a proper cooler.

I remember those days when they were charging close to $1000 for a quad core that "Does 5ghz" when pretty much 90%+ of the chips out there could be overclocked to 5 Ghz anyway, by simply disabling the iGPU and having a beefy cooler on it.
YOu're legitimately off your rocker man...
Variothe average Intel CPU can do 5.0 without AVX offset and across all cores.
No, they cannot. You need an above average sample, and an above average cooler to accomplish this.
As of 6/13/19, the top 35% of tested 9900Ks were able to hit 5.0GHz or greater.
For those who want a binned chip, this is the way to go. Or you can buy several CPUs at a cost of thousands then take the time to bin and find it yourself...or you can roll the dice on the silicon lottery. My time is worth more than taking orders at McDonalds, about 5-7 times that in fact... yours?

This isn't for everyone, we get it. But to say they are scam is an outright lie and prominently displays ignorance front and center.

Side note on topic: The voltages they are using are less than I have seen many CPUs accomplish those same clock speeds. ;)
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#19
PanicLake
Imsochoboor the best just plug it in and works chip, depends how you look at it, I know very few people who overclock their chips, they buy a 8700K doesn't overclock it.
Yes, the K version still give you better performance compared to the same NON K version. And even if you don't overclock it now, you might do it in the future.
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#20
Vayra86
TomgangRyzen is not a great overclocker, no matter what. Every time it seems ryzen 3000 top's out at 4.2 to 4.4 ghz. Most at 4.3 ghz. Only difference from these cpu and others you buy cheaper, is that silicon lottery binned cpu can hit those clock at a lower voltage good for noise, needed cooling and power bill.

But that 3900X for 810 usd. That must be a joke. And with lauch first til september any way, i think i am way better of waiting for 3950X that's cheaper, more cores and threads + as i know it, amd them self is bining chiplets for 3950X, infact amd is maybe even saving the very best chiplets for 3950X, so this cpu will have the lowest voltage vs. Core clock out of any ryzen 3000 cpu. So up at that price point and lauch time, i would say ryzen 9 3950X will properly turn out to be a way better choise.
Those frequencies and voltages needed make it very clear that the silicon lottery is not in our hands nor in SL's anymore.

AMD already builds the cpus around their lottery results. Bottom line, if you want fast Ryzen you buy high core count chips and pay accordingly.
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#22
GlacierNine
WavetrexWhen charging more for something made by someone else without adding anything at all.
No. They buy chips in bulk, test them for clocks, validate and stress test them, and then re-sell them with an upcharge for the labour and costs they've put in and incurred during that process. That's the entire premise of the company and it is exactly what they advertise they do. Charge you for a service they perform.

OCUK/Caseking.de does exactly the same thing, are they a scam too?

www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/processors/intel/speed-binned-processors
www.caseking.de/en/pc-components/cpus-processors/pretested-cpus
WavetrexOne needs to be extremely UNlucky to get a Skylake that doesn't do 5Ghz with a proper cooler.
This is just absolute bull. Not only does my 6700k not get close to 5GHz, despite a de-lid and liquid metal treatment that keeps it under 60C at 4.8GHz under load, there are also almost no posts online claiming to be able to get 5GHz on a 6700k either. In fact, if you search for that, most of the results are people putting unwise voltages through their CPU (Well over 1.4 volts), and still being unable to reach it. One guy was "hoping" for 5GHz at 1.47V which is just ridiculous.
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#23
Ruru
S.T.A.R.S.
Reminds me of Apple how the price increases with the storage space on their devices.
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#24
Wavetrex
GlacierNineOCUK/Caseking.de does exactly the same thing, are they a scam too?
On this aspect, yes, they are.

This is basically selling 2nd hand products with manufacturer voided warranty for more than the manufacturer's price.

But the fault is on the buyers, not the sellers... since there is no law against selling 2nd hand stuff commercially.
So whatever, buy away $500 cpus with $1000. It's not my money.
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#25
Slizzo
My 7820X is an SL purchase. Was actually really good value, I got it at $500, when they weren't much less on Amazon.

Made overclocking a breeze. Set what they recommend, boot and I'm good to go. I've been dialing back the voltage they recommend bit by bit and testing. Usually they use set voltage steps to see if a processor is stable. If not at that volts they step down in speed and voltage until it is stable.

Plus, it's delidded and LM'd. Good value IMO.
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