64KThat's what I think about the 16xx series too. The problem is that most people can't afford an RTX card. Mr. Huang admitted a while back that RTX GPU sales had not met expectations. The problem with RTX cards is that you need to spend $500 to $1,200 depending on your resolution to take advantage of the ray tracing. The 16xx series is needed for people who buy entry level and lower midrange GPUs.

I've been hoping that Nvidia would release a 1680 and 1680 Ti without the added costs of the Tensor and RT cores but maybe they still will before the 3xxx GPUs probably coming next year though I'm not sure that would make sense at this point.

1660Ti is like 20% faster than a 1060, thus a very capable mid-range card. It's the real mid-range Turing imho.

RainingTacco$150 for better performance than GTX 1660 that is currently for $200? Impossible, dont be duped.

these low end cards are too many to choose from end of story …… waste of resources

anutha day, yet anutha same ole same same moolah-grubbin GPU announcement...

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bugStop that nonsense, Nvidia didn't design and release new cards inside of the month between AMD's announcement and release of Navi. AMD simply tried an unrealistic price point and when the Supers were released, they simply had to cut their prices.

If you think Nvidia Super cards are new then you're out of touch with how they've been operating for the last 15 years.

All Nvidia did for the Super series was take their existing products (TU106 and TU104) and modify the enabled/disabled units slightly differently to generate a new SKU. Sure, there's some binning involved and new product packaging but these are all very minor tweaks.

I will refer you to the first paragraph of every TechPowerup 2060S and 2070S review:
www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/

" AMD is finally addressing the performance segment with its 7 nm PCIe Gen 4 Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" series. AMD claims that the Navi-based Radeon RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT are faster than the GeForce RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 respectively, so NVIDIA decided to upscale the two SKUs with new models. We hence have the new GeForce RTX 2070 Super and GeForce RTX 2060 Super, which will be available in stores starting on the 9th of July. The new models will sit at the same price points as the RTX 2060 and RTX 2070, and the existing cards will drop slightly in price. "

and second paragraph:

" The new RTX 2070 Super is a whole different beast from the original RTX 2070, which had maxed out the "TU106" silicon. NVIDIA is having to tap into its larger sibling, the 12 nm "TU104". This is the same chip on which the RTX 2080 and upcoming RTX 2080 Super are based. "

So it's not really 'nonsense', more a kind of established fact that has been published all over the internet for a few months now. If you don't agree with that take it up with Lisa Su, Jen-Hsun Huang, W1zzard, LTT Media Group, Steve Burke, etc. I'm just quoting/paraphrasing them.

Chrispy_If you think Nvidia Super cards are new then you're out of touch with how they've been operating for the last 15 years.

All Nvidia did for the Super series was take their existing products (TU106 and TU104) and modify the enabled/disabled units slightly differently to generate a new SKU. Sure, there's some binning involved and new product packaging but these are all very minor tweaks.

I will refer you to the first paragraph of every TechPowerup 2060S and 2070S review:
www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/

" AMD is finally addressing the performance segment with its 7 nm PCIe Gen 4 Radeon RX 5700 "Navi" series. AMD claims that the Navi-based Radeon RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT are faster than the GeForce RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 respectively, so NVIDIA decided to upscale the two SKUs with new models. We hence have the new GeForce RTX 2070 Super and GeForce RTX 2060 Super, which will be available in stores starting on the 9th of July. The new models will sit at the same price points as the RTX 2060 and RTX 2070, and the existing cards will drop slightly in price. "

and second paragraph:

" The new RTX 2070 Super is a whole different beast from the original RTX 2070, which had maxed out the "TU106" silicon. NVIDIA is having to tap into its larger sibling, the 12 nm "TU104". This is the same chip on which the RTX 2080 and upcoming RTX 2080 Super are based. "

So it's not really 'nonsense', more a kind of established fact that has been published all over the internet for a few months now. If you don't agree with that take it up with Lisa Su, Jen-Hsun Huang, W1zzard, LTT Media Group, Steve Burke, etc. I'm just quoting/paraphrasing them.

Nice wall of text, but one still can't design, build and certify a video card inside of a month.

bugNice wall of text, but one still can't design, build and certify a video card inside of a month.

Let me pick out the specific sentence for you then, since you seem unable to do that without being spoon-fed.

"AMD claims that the Navi-based Radeon RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT are faster than the GeForce RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 respectively, so NVIDIA decided to upscale the two SKUs with new models"

That's from the 2070S review by W1zzard on 2nd July.
The AMD claim was made on May 7th (source)

It's not conjecture or speculation; These are facts proven by history and press releases from AMD and NVidia, repeated by reviewers around the world many times over. You seem to be in denial of very easily provable facts, products, and published dates.

That's less than two months. If you're getting hung up on this "inside of a month" rubbish, then that's your problem. You brought up this "inside of a month" nonsense which is obviously wrong, as proven by the dates linked above.

Chrispy_Let me pick out the specific sentence for you then, since you seem unable to do that without being spoon-fed.

"AMD claims that the Navi-based Radeon RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT are faster than the GeForce RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 respectively, so NVIDIA decided to upscale the two SKUs with new models"

The date of that is 2nd July.

It's not conjecture or speculation; These are facts proven by history and press releases from AMD and NVidia, repeated by reviewers around the world many times over. The fact you're arguing it didn't happen is ridiculous. Were you living under a rock in the leadup to Navi's launch and refuse to go back and read the history of what happened?

You didn't do a very good job of picking that sentence, because I still fail to see the facts that you're talking about.

The facts are as follows:
1. AMD announces Navi at initial price points at the end on May 2019
2. Nvidia launches Super Turing on July 2 2019
3. People believe the new cards were created within that time span

Besides that, it's mostly PR.

Finally, you state facts.

I do not, nor have I (please cite me if I'm wrong) disagreed with your three numbered statements. You literally jumped on me with "stop that nonsense" because I dared suggest that the Super cards were produced as a response to the impending launch of Navi cards.

Personally, I don't think that's justified as nonsense, and secondly - by calling it nonsense, you are implying that Nvidia decided to create the Super range out of the blue, at lower prices, using more expensive silicon for reasons unrelated to Navi's expected launch?

That, in my opinion, is pure nonsense.

AMD is stealing market share left and right. Intel is suffering BIG. Nvidia is next specifically at the VOLUME segment since they will likely overprice the new and upcoming 1660 variant.

Chrispy_Finally, you state facts.

I do not, nor have I (please cite me if I'm wrong) disagreed with your three numbered statements. You literally jumped on me with "stop that nonsense" because I dared suggest that the Super cards were produced as a response to the impending launch of Navi cards.

Personally, I don't think that's justified as nonsense, and secondly - by calling it nonsense, you are implying that Nvidia decided to create the Super range out of the blue, at lower prices, using more expensive silicon for reasons unrelated to Navi's expected launch?

That, in my opinion, is pure nonsense.

There is nothing expensive about 2060 super and 2070 super silicons, vega 56 is 495mm2 and they are selling as low as 220usd now. Had nvidia continue to produce 1080Ti it would be 350usd after 2.5 years, it's just Moore Law. Nvidia had to increase prices on the RTX lineups to compensate for software developments and developers support cost, not because the silicons are expensive. After all what good is a GPU without proper driver support (looking at Navi lol).

Nvidia should have had the Super in reserve for months, after all they are just leftovers TU104 and TU106 cores. What Nvidia was waiting for was AMD to reveal Navi prices, so saying Nvidia had to release Super series to counter Navi was entirely wrong.

Chrispy_Finally, you state facts.

I do not, nor have I (please cite me if I'm wrong) disagreed with your three numbered statements. You literally jumped on me with "stop that nonsense" because I dared suggest that the Super cards were produced as a response to the impending launch of Navi cards.

Personally, I don't think that's justified as nonsense, and secondly - by calling it nonsense, you are implying that Nvidia decided to create the Super range out of the blue, at lower prices, using more expensive silicon for reasons unrelated to Navi's expected launch?

That, in my opinion, is pure nonsense.

Ok, I think we're getting somewhere. What I was talking about is how Nvidia built those cards as a response to Navi. They simply couldn't have done it in such a short timespan. What actually happened is Nvidia had an idea about what AMD is up to well before AMD's May announcement and that's when they started work on Super Turing. Thus, the existence of Super Turing couldn't be related to Navi's pricing, because that was not known at the time. The nonsense I was talking about is AMD's claim that they somehow tricked Nvidia into releasing cards at price points Nvidia was already selling cards (albeit slower cards). It's far more likely Super Turing blindsided AMD who thought right until July Navi will go up against last year's Turing.

Maybe they know juicy Polaris is getting yet another rebrand.

AMD has a long way to go, to catch Nvidia.but I like their rx 5700 card non xt version. Seems that is the sweet spot for their Navi regarding power and performance. Navi is a success but no where near enough to knock Nvidia off its perch but at least a good start from right direction.

bugThe nonsense I was talking about is AMD's claim that they somehow tricked Nvidia into releasing cards at price points Nvidia was already selling cards (albeit slower cards). It's far more likely Super Turing blindsided AMD who thought right until July Navi will go up against last year's Turing.

Only very naive people believe this. No company is happy to know that they will receive less money for their products, especially when they have not even started to be sold.

AMD priced Navi according to the competition of the moment, but after the Super came out offering better performance than previous cards, they had to adjust prices. Simple as that!

1660 and 1660ti will be EOL. Not sure if they will have 1660ti Super.

Tech Ninja1660 and 1660ti will be EOL. Not sure if they will have 1660ti Super.

I don't think Nvidia ever stated this. But it's what my gut feeling tells me, too.

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