ratirtI kinda agree. I can't see any shortages in the 5700 series GPUs. So where is this "expected drop" information coming from again?

When they have a flash sale on Black Friday for all the remaining reference cards :)

TheLostSwedeThere are a whopping 150-ish replies to that poll... :roll:

Wait......that doesn't mean "MOST" people?





Anyway, I'm wondering what they are basing this on as well. I can't imagine it to be black friday or cyber monday as we don't typically see these items that much cheaper where it is sudden;y going to be a volume sale.

UltraThiccI guess Nvidia isn't so confident that extra RT cores worth the extra price.
Ray-tracing is cool and all, but it is overpriced and costs too much performance to run.

That is because it isnt, its mostly a overpriced gimmick at this point.

TheLostSwedeThere are a whopping 150-ish replies to that poll... :roll:

Still a better substantiated claim than "most people don't overclock" claim. Seriously where do you guys get the idea that most people don't overclock ? With every AIB out there touting their own overclocking software, AMD and Nvidia integrating auto overclocking feature, every GPU review have their own overclocking section and you still claim most people don't overclock ? I find it pretty laughable.
Again I would like to re-iterate that the AMD crowds are not your usual joe or plebians, they claim to be the most enthusiast of the PC enthusiasts anyways.

Now just explain to me why the 5700 does not appear in the steam hardware survey despite being a better bang for buck GPU than 5700XT ?

nguyenStill a better substantiated claim than "most people don't overclock" claim. Seriously where do you guys get the idea that most people don't overclock ? With every AIB out there touting their own overclocking software, AMD and Nvidia integrating auto overclocking feature, every GPU review have their own overclocking section and you still claim most people don't overclock ? I find it pretty laughable.
Again I would like to re-iterate that the AMD crowds are not your usual joe or plebians, they claim to be the most enthusiast of the PC enthusiasts anyways.

Now just explain to me why the 5700 does not appear in the steam hardware survey despite being a better bang for buck GPU than 5700XT ?

Most people DON'T overclock. Sorry, but I haven't even bothered with my current system. Admittedly I had overclocked both my previous CPU and GPU, but I have no real reason to with my new gear.
Auto boosting doesn't really count as overclocking imho, as that's how they're designed to work.

You forget the fact that "we" aren't most people for that matter. Does your parents and their friends overclock? I can tell you for sure that mine doesn't...

nguyenStill a better substantiated claim than "most people don't overclock" claim. Seriously where do you guys get the idea that most people don't overclock ? With every AIB out there touting their own overclocking software, AMD and Nvidia integrating auto overclocking feature, every GPU review have their own overclocking section and you still claim most people don't overclock ? I find it pretty laughable.
Again I would like to re-iterate that the AMD crowds are not your usual joe or plebians, they claim to be the most enthusiast of the PC enthusiasts anyways.

Now just explain to me why the 5700 does not appear in the steam hardware survey despite being a better bang for buck GPU than 5700XT ?

You hung upon most people flash 5700 bios with XT now everyone OC it's cards. The question my friend is where do you get this stuff? What is most people to you? Give a number please, because what I think is that "most" has a different meaning for you and me. Most people don't overclock despite the software you get from vendors. It is a fair assumption because the cards from AIB come OC'ed already and most people (my "most" understanding) will buy those and do not overclock because, they don't know what they are doing with OC and the software (even very user friendly is not for them but enthusiasts (yet another word, of which we have different understanding) and they are afraid to damage the card which probably was expensive for them in the first place.

TheLostSwedeMost people DON'T overclock. Sorry, but I haven't even bothered with my current system. Admittedly I had overclocked both my previous CPU and GPU, but I have no real reason to with my new gear.
Auto boosting doesn't really count as overclocking imho, as that's how they're designed to work.

You forget the fact that "we" aren't most people for that matter. Does your parents and their friends overclock? I can tell you for sure that mine doesn't...

it is so obvious. Why is that guy arguing about this and from where is he taking this stuff of his? mind boggling.

Maybe just that nvidia AIBs would prefer to sell the non-super version? For reasons...

Navi seems to be selling quite well, making for shallow sales channels which is what AIBs monitor. Selling well enough there might be calls from AIBs to increase their allocations but AMD as of yet had not/could not increase their orders at TSMC.

Interesting... AMD is selling out of everything they can order from TSMC and need another foundry partner!

nguyenStill a better substantiated claim than "most people don't overclock" claim. Seriously where do you guys get the idea that most people don't overclock ? With every AIB out there touting their own overclocking software, AMD and Nvidia integrating auto overclocking feature, every GPU review have their own overclocking section and you still claim most people don't overclock ? I find it pretty laughable.
Again I would like to re-iterate that the AMD crowds are not your usual joe or plebians, they claim to be the most enthusiast of the PC enthusiasts anyways.

Now just explain to me why the 5700 does not appear in the steam hardware survey despite being a better bang for buck GPU than 5700XT ?

LOL, the "AMD" crowd doesn't have any more propensity to overclock than an Nvidia or Intel user, etc. You are just making shit up without support... let's be honest here. But yeah, here, at a so called enthusiast website, I'd bet more overclock than don't. But so few people are here and other forums, compared to the computers out there, "most" isn't even close.

Get your head out of the sand... don't be my avatar. ;)

I find the overclocking/enthusiast argument specious and overcompensation for the 5700XTs lack of competitive power. I can also undervolt or overclock Nvidia 2070 cards and sadly watch the already more efficient 12nm card further embarrass the Navi cards.

I seriously hope the rumors about the RDNA arch revision for 5nm are true. Ampere will be devastation

EarthDogLOL, the "AMD" crowd doesn't have any more propensity to overclock than an Nvidia or Intel user, etc. You are just making shit up without support... let's be honest here. But yeah, here, at a so called enthusiast website, I'd bet more overclock than don't. But so few people are here and other forums, compared to the computers out there, "most" isn't even close.

Get your head out of the sand... don't be my avatar. ;)

I dont overclock. Knowing how to overclock is a skill, knowing what limits you can push your own rig can make you feel empowered, and knowing you dont need to overclock and are satisfied with all that is ok too.

I am MOST users by "Definitions" set in this thread.

BTW I agree with the blinddog here. :p

DeathtoGnomesits over priced because Nvidia stumbled onto a feature unique enough to cash in on. It does make you ask yourself, what is liked better, the appearance detail or the performance.

Ray tracing was talked about in 2006, nothing to see, move along.

A balance is needed.

Poor move. If you can't sell current turding, then why would you be able to sell another sku?

TheGuruStudPoor move. If you can't sell current turding, then why would you be able to sell another sku?

Turding... lol.. mature.

I don't think anyone mentioned another SKU, did they?

EarthDogTurding... lol.. mature.

I don't think anyone mentioned another SKU, did they?

I am mature. I don't wear a leather jacket 24/7 and think I'm cool.

2070 and the rest are supposed to be gone as they've been replaced. So, yeah, another sku to try to sell. Retailers will need more warehouses to hold all the extra cards lol

First, AIB's can ask for the "Original" 2070, but is Nvidia willing or able to bin enough TU106 2304/144/64 parts to engage with any real demand? I'm sure Nvidia would rather have those 2070 specs going into mobile/Max-Q, which I'd think they have strong demand and make good margins as they sell direct to manufactures. Would Nvidia do that to off-set some small interdiction in the $300-400 when they crafted and established a product stack for months (IDK). While the 2080 Super spec TU104 2560/160/64 is a way to dispose of top-dollar silicone that aren't making the grade a as Top Shelf performers. Then do we think Nvidia "wants to shine" a light on Navi 10, signaling it's making some inroads all while diluting their price points they worked pro-actively to jack-up... Ha Ha...

AMD is in the position that they have... needing to be extremely shrewd at how they allocate 7mm product mix to TSMC. They have all new (CPU/GPU) and upcoming product (RX 5550) so they're relying on a cutting-edge process that many other big player are vying for their piece/place on limited production. AMD is probably looking at the RX 5500 to really cut into those 2070 specs parts going into mobile/Max-Q products and essentially have priced to compete. So perhaps Nvidia is going to see a reduction in those 2070 sales, and perhaps that may be more a factor persuading them to go back selling 2070 to AIB's.

I think we all know AMD is in their best position as they have plenty of demand for their full-line of products using 7mm, and they can only "stay their course" juggling the mix to to keep all those products flowing in the pipelines while not effecting customers or prices negatively.

When today a "reference" XFX RX 5700 is $290 *NO-Rebate* as a "Shell-Shocker" with the RAISE THE GAME BUNDLE providing a choice of Borderlands 3 or Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Breakpoint... things for AMD seem good. I mean there's no 2060 Supers' for anything "south" of $400 today, meaning your paying 27% more while getting 5-7% more performance? Then there's some group that are looking to flash that RX 5700 to the XT spec and gain 5-7% above what such generic 2060 Supers price/offer. Right now AMD is in their lane, and can just stay to course and continue to attract buyers and gain market share.

fancuckerI find the overclocking/enthusiast argument specious and overcompensation for the 5700XTs lack of competitive power. I can also undervolt or overclock Nvidia 2070 cards and sadly watch the already more efficient 12nm card further embarrass the Navi cards.

I seriously hope the rumors about the RDNA arch revision for 5nm are true. Ampere will be devastation

Go away Alt account

nguyenJust do a quick google search and see how many Youtubers and HW news outlet made "easy guides to 5700 flashing" dude, even TPU did it. Can't imagine anyone not doing a 5 mins fix for a free 10% performance increase, especially 5700 get like 4% overclocking headroom with stock bios.

This is perfect example how people on the forums who are more or less passionate about these things lose the grip on reality.
News flash: Most people don't ever even overclock even when the BIOSes and whatnot are full of 1-click solutions for it, let alone flash a BIOS update (not even when it would be to fix serious issues)

Slotting in a 2070 in between the 2060 Super and 2070 Super seems like a big mistake. Especially since the 2060 Super is so close to the 2070. If you price it at $450, then it's a poor deal over the 2060 S and a no-brainer to spend an extra $50 to get 15% more performance. If you price it any lower than $450, then it's going to absolutely kill demand for aftermarket 2060 Supers. There is just no room for the 2070 at this point. Unless we're going to do the 1660, 1660 Super, 1660 Ti dance all across the stack.

I remember reading that 2070's could be converted by AIBs to 2060 Supers. Maybe this report is just about an increase in the TU-106 orders in general, and not specifically about the old 2070.

eidairaman1Ray tracing was talked about in 2006, nothing to see, move along.

A balance is needed.

moving along, NV still brought it to market first, and with nvidia logic, gets to charge an arm and a leg for it.

UltraThiccRay-tracing is cool and all, but it is overpriced and costs too much performance to run.

Exactly like SM3.0 HDR was 15 years ago.

EarthDogWait......that doesn't mean "MOST" people?





Anyway, I'm wondering what they are basing this on as well. I can't imagine it to be black friday or cyber monday as we don't typically see these items that much cheaper where it is sudden;y going to be a volume sale.

Clickbait story, once again. Insert AMD and Nvidia in title, profit. The gist here is 'GPU's get sold and restocked'. Woooooow

I thought TPU learned a lesson the other day?

Casecuttera cutting-edge process

Would be 7nm EUV, not DUV.

KaotikThis is perfect example how people on the forums who are more or less passionate about these things lose the grip on reality.
News flash: Most people don't ever even overclock even when the BIOSes and whatnot are full of 1-click solutions for it, let alone flash a BIOS update (not even when it would be to fix serious issues)

Yes this is a perfect example of spewing nonsense without any factual data, like I said you don't have any data against my point.
Is Reddit consider enthusiast forum ? if no then lookie here or Tweaktown
60% is still considered the majority if math is not your strong point.
Again if you want me to believe most people don't overclock their PC, give me actual data, not the "I don't overclock so other people are not either". You sound very much like climate change denier "it's cold here so the earth are definitely not getting warmer" type. Or even better "I make 1000usd a month so that must be the average income for others" type.

I would be surprised if anyone dumb enough not to extract a little extra out of their gaming rig, even a John Doe website recommend it

nguyenYes this is a perfect example of spewing nonsense without any factual data, like I said you don't have any data against my point.
Is Reddit consider enthusiast forum ? if no then lookie here or Tweaktown
60% is still considered the majority if math is not your strong point.
Again if you want me to believe most people don't overclock their PC, give me actual data, not the "I don't overclock so other people are not either". You sound very much like climate change denier "it's cold here so the earth are definitely not getting warmer" type.

I would be surprised if anyone dumb enough not to extract a little extra out of their gaming rig, even a John Doe website recommend it

I mean, if you keep linking enthusiast sites of course more overclock there than every dick, tom, and jane. But you need to realize that enthusiasts sites (and enthusiasts) are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to total PC users. A majority of all PC users don't touch the fucking box except to power it on and off. That is a fact like the sun comes up in the East, my dude. If more people overclocked, forums like this and OCN, OCF, etc wouldn't be in decline.

Don't let such biased information skew your perception of the big picture/reality.

EarthDogI mean, if you keep linking enthusiast sites of course more overclock there than every dick, tom, and jane. But you need to realize that enthusiasts sites (and enthusiasts) are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to total PC users. A majority of all PC users don't touch the fucking box except to power it on and off. That is a fact like the sun comes up in the East, my dude. If more people overclocked, forums like this and OCN, OCF, etc wouldn't be in decline.

Don't let such biased information skew your perception of the big picture/reality.

I guess you are not smart enough to understand I wasn't talking about non gaming related PC then. Are you gonna stick a couple hundred dollars CPU and GPU into an office PC ?
and again if you think most people dont overclock their gaming rig, give me proof, don't go anti vaxx on me here.