londistewww.amd.com/en/graphics/radeon-apple-5000m-series
50W TDP but seems they had to make some concessions in clock speeds to fit in it:
- 5500M up to 1300MHz
- 5300M up to 1250MHz

TheGuruStudI wonder how they won't spontaneously combust, anyway. Current models have the CPU dying from overheating. Who needs heatsinks and fans? Not apple!

It's all part of the master plan. Buy a $2k+ laptop and it fails in 1-2 yrs = you can buy another! This has been going on for several years, now. There's so many hardware defects. Even if it's under warranty, you're at fault and they tell you to buy a new one.

lynx29can confirm, laptops are a terrible investment. worst decision i ever made was my gtx 1070 laptop.

phanbueyYeah for high performance it's a huge waste of money.

Better to have a laptop to go screw around and do light work in coffee shops and for business trips, and a big production / gaming machine at home that you can keep upgrading.

If you travel alot / in the military then a laptop isn't a bad investment.

kapone32One should never buy a laptop for gaming, The heat envelope for high end CPUs and GPUs will be affected by the lack of dissipation of heat. That is why I went with a AMD APU based laptop as it can game fine at 720P. As there is no Discrete GPU the heat envelope can be covered by a cooling fan tray.

KhonjelDesktops are like work trucks while laptops are like luxury cars.

Btw @R-T-B what's up with @lynx29 tagging you every post? You guys a couple or sth?

CheeseballNot sure about you guys, but my G5 5587 (i7 8750H & GTX 1060 Max-Q) has been doing pretty well. It was thermal throttling with earlier BIOS versions, but 1.09 to 1.11 addressed the slow fan speeds. I can play PUBG at competitive settings pushing 90 FPS. Borderlands 3 also runs pretty good with a mix of medium to high settings at 60 to 80 FPS.

I can't play any 3D games on battery though, but Visual Studio and MATLAB work just fine when mobile.

lynx29Lot of us here like to game at 144hz though, but if 60hz is fine with you that is great and yeah a 1060 is fine for 60hz 1080p and lower a couple settings.

lynx29oh my gaming laptop works great, with mods.

What I do is remove the back cover, place it directly on a 6 fan laptop cooler with a little tape so it doesn't slide. Then I set BIOS to no turbo boost on CPU, which doesn't really matter in most games anyway. I get around 70 celsius on both cpu and my gtx 1070 in all games, except witcher 3 which hits around 78 celsius, still not bad. I get 90 fps as well no issue as my laptop screen is overclocked to 90hz. honestly I like my laptop, but it's not exactly portable. I mean I can travel with it, then set up a permanent desk area. which worked great for me cause I travel periodically to visit friends for 1-2 months at a time, and grad school was back and forth and then breaks back and forth, etc. so I didn't need fully mobile anyway.

but yeah I would never do it again.

@R-T-B sure you don't want to buy my gtx 1070 laptop? I give you discount fren ;) three niner!

KhonjelYou guys a couple or sth?

dgianstefaniThe hate against laptops is primarily coming from people who don't know how to properly shop for laptops, or configure them once owned.

I get it, desktops are hard to fuck up and easy to build with minimal effort. It's unlikely you'll have a bad experience building a desktop, while there are many shit laptops out there.

I own a Razer Blade 240hz, 9750h, 2070.

6 core turbo locked at 4ghz while gaming.
RTX 2070 hitting between 1700 and 1875mhz while gaming.

180 Average FPS in R6 Siege with settings mostly at ultra.
200 Average FPS in War thunder all settings ultra.
120+ fps on any typical AAA game with min low never going below 90.

The fans are audible but by no means a jet engine and the surface temps don't go above 30c so it's comfortable to game on.

Get a proper laptop after doing research.
Tune the CPU voltage with Throttlestop.
Set your own voltage curve with MSI afterburner for your GPU.
Profit.

Mine has a few extra mods like conductonaut and 32GB ram kit with better timings than stock but same mhz.

The laptop also gets a solid 5-6 hours of battery life which is very useful.

TheGuruStudI wonder how they won't spontaneously combust, anyway. Current models have the CPU dying from overheating. Who needs heatsinks and fans? Not apple!

It's all part of the master plan. Buy a $2k+ laptop and it fails in 1-2 yrs = you can buy another! This has been going on for several years, now. There's so many hardware defects. Even if it's under warranty, you're at fault and they tell you to buy a new one.

Darmok N JaladI think there are a few things at play here. One, Apple went too thin for the CPUs they included. I think part of the problem is Intel’s failure to deliver 10nm for this long. Apple appears to have made compromises based on what they had to work with. AMD also did them no favors with Vega too. Things don’t look all that much better from Intel either. Apple needs to thicken MBP or transition to their own SOC.

KhonjelWhy dafuq do they need to thin and lighten a laptop that's designated as Pro? I can understand with MB Air or the plain MB (do anyone even buy those).

phanbueySo you do all that on a $2600 laptop or...




With a $400 alienware 240hz monitor, you now have a rig thats quite a bit faster and $1100 cheaper ($1500 vs 2600), and is fully upgrade-able when new GPUs and CPUs release; with a much bigger screen.

And you still have $1100 to spend on a decent work ultrabook that's sleek and looks professional.

The problem with gaming laptops isn't when they're new (i loved my 17" alienware) - it's when they get to be about 1.5-2 years old and you realize what could have been your upgrade path if you got a gaming rig and invested the other $1100 into something else.

dgianstefaniIt's cool how you're recommending used parts in a comparison to a new RRP.

Add $300 for a new 2080, more if you don't want a shitty model.

Add $100 for a good keyboard and mouse.

Take away IO like thunderbolt 3.

Compare the power draw and form factor of a bronze rated 350w system to a unibody laptop with a 180w psu that delivers approximately the same performance. (good luck getting more than 150fps on a ryzen 5 with cheap ram in cpu bound games).

Bottom line is a two system setup is not comparable to a single system that can do it all.

What you pay is what you get.

Also a black unibody machine that looks like a mbp clone can hardly be described as unprofessional.

The blade is basically a mbp but with upgradability, better specs, a good cooling system and a high refresh display. Oh and nice other things like WiFi 6 and such.