Bill_BrightI am not doing a comparative review right now. I am just using it instead of my regular default, Pale Moon to see how it performs with me doing my normal day to day tasks. It takes awhile to get any browser just the way you like it - with your own favorites, home page, what happens when you open a new tab, close tabs, open in new window, how it renders pages, how easy it is find and add extensions - just getting used to a new layout and more.

Bill_BrightAs I said already, so far, it's be great.

Bill_BrightEvery site I have visited renders properly and quick. And for now, that's what I am focusing on.

Bill_BrightBut I do know I will not dismiss it because it has the Microsoft brand on it, or because it is from the same people who made IE, or because someone thinks Comodo does this or that.

bugAnd in that area, I don't think anyone will beat Vivaldi anytime soon, but I'd like to be proven wrong.

bugLooks to me like you're looking at the wrong things. But that's your right.

Of course it renders everything properly and quick, it's still Chromium at its heart.

lexluthermiesterThere is vastly more to a web browser then how and how fast it renders a website. You're old enough and experienced enough to know that very well.

Bill_BrightAnd what "value" does Vivaldi add for you?

Bill_BrightWhat I expect of a browser is for it to load the page correctly, quickly, hopefully blocking ads, and then I want the browser to essentially disappear and only appear again when I want to move to a different site.

bugGreat tab management and leaner on resources. It's not my main browser, but if Firefox went away, it would probably be.

lexluthermiesterGiven those parameters, you do not want Edge.

Bill_BrightI stopped using FF a long time ago. The only thing it had going for it, IMO, was extensive plugin support. But then that caused security problems for it. That's when I moved to PM, a forked version of FF.

bugSo familiarity weighs pretty heavy here.

bugI stick to Firefox mostly because of support for what Mozilla does.

AleksandarKand a partnership with the Chromium community to improve the Chromium engine itself.

matthewmaticsGive us the in depth analysis we so need!

Bill_Bright:) I agree 100%. And this familiarity is something I've been saying in this thread all along - that is, giving Edge (or any new program) a fair chance to get used to it is important when deciding which you like best, or best fits your needs. It takes time to learn and get used to all those ins and outs - until it becomes intuitive. XP for example had a steep learning curve. But soon it became intuitive. When W7 came out, it seemed awkward but soon was known as the best Windows yet. Have you looked at XP lately? It now seems very awkward and clumsy.

You can't get used to a new major program in 10 minutes. Or even a couple hours - keeping in mind, when typing text in a forum or using Bing Google, the browser itself more or less steps out of the way.

bugI can safely tell whether I need it or not within 10 minutes.

matthewmaticsEdge can't remember me telling it that hell yes I wish to close all tabs and I am sure of it!

Bill_BrightThe problem is, for me, is I have never found a browser I was 100% happy with, 100% of the time.

bugMe neither, but that's not reason enough for me to waste countless hours on each Chromium derivative

Bill_BrightFor what its worth, another criteria for my primary browser is that it must play well with Fox-it Reader - my .pdf reader (since Adobe is another developer I trust less than Microsoft!). And so far, Edge does well there too.

bugHa, I only use Edge to open PDFs. I actually got rid of FoxIt once Edge started handling PDFs as well as it does

Bill_BrightHmmm. Good to know, I guess to be fair, I should check it out. Just to be sure, when you click on a .pdf file, Edge opens and the .pdf document renders properly?

bugAnd it's fast.

matthewmaticsAns yes....without a doubt....each time I close my 20 tabs....I get asked am I sure

Bill_BrightLOL No its not on both parts. It does use the Chromium open source engine but it is hardly a reskinned Chrome. And if the naysayers would just take a few minutes to read up on it, they would see it does MUCH more than Chrome to protect our data and privacy. See thisand note where it talks about blocking 100s of Google tracking code by default - and that's on the medium or "balanced" setting. Move it to "Strict" and it really gets aggressive.
:rolleyes: No its not. It was in beta for several months before now and was available for everyone to try. I did, but stuck with Pale Moon as my preferred browser. That's the whole point of Microsoft abandoning the "old" Edge for this "new" Edge. It uses the "mature" Chromium engine that complies with industry (not MS) standards. So no, it is not essentially in Beta. I have been using the new Edge for several days now (10 minutes is not a fair evaluation) and so far, like it. Every site I have visited has displayed properly. I can't say the same for FF or PM. And every pages loads quickly too. :)

The biggest problem with the new Edge is the brand name behind it. Too many, sadly, refuse to accept that Microsoft really does want its users to have a safe, stable, and enjoyable computing experience and fully believe, despite all the scrutiny Microsoft constantly receives, that Microsoft is out to get them and their data. :kookoo:

If you want your data out there, use Chrome.

I miss IE6 too. It never was the security risk all the MS bashers and FF fanboys claimed it was.

1. I don't come from a position of using it for 10 minutes. I began using beta after made available from the illicit copy that began spread.
2. Chromium is a mature engine, however, the Edge Chromium browser features are behind. This is exactly what I stated in my op, and apparently you became offended by either bias or whatever else fuels your desire to say otherwise. They released the browser on a too aggressive timetable in my opinion.
   1. The MS extension store lacks anything relevant beyond 1 or 2 add blockers that have been seen. MS solution is to offer you to use the Chrome store. Look, you can use Google's Chrome Store extensions in our browser.
   2. Lack of theme customization. The MS store does not support themes. You can download Chrome themes using a modification tool, but those themes do not sync on other devices and it's really just cumbersome methodology.
   3. No syncing of tabs. At this point in time when users are using their favorite browsers across multiple devices, this is common place.
   4. No password generator similar to Safari's browser.
   5. Extensions don't sync across different devices.
   6. The list goes on... The browser is essentially in beta. If you want to argue semantics of the word be my guest.
3. I miss IE6 and Edge as well, but that has nothing to do with Edge Chromium.

RavenasI think you have assumed quite a bit in your post.

RavenasChromium is a mature engine, however, the Edge Chromium browser features are behind.

Ravenas

1. The MS extension store lacks anything relevant beyond 1 or 2 add blockers that have been seen. MS solution is to offer you to use the Chrome store. Look, you can use Google's Chrome Store extensions in our browser.
2. Lack of theme customization. The MS store does not support themes. You can download Chrome themes using a modification tool, but those themes do not sync on other devices and it's really just cumbersome methodology.
3. No syncing of tabs. At this point in time when users are using their favorite browsers across multiple devices, this is common place.
4. No password generator similar to Safari's browser.
5. Extensions don't sync across different devices.
6. The list goes on... The browser is essentially in beta. If you want to argue semantics of the word be my guest.