Thursday, May 7th 2020

AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

In their briefing leading up to today's Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X review embargo, AMD disclosed that its upcoming "Zen 3" 4th generation Ryzen desktop processors will only support AMD 500-series (or later) chipsets. The next-gen processors will not work with older 400-series or 300-series chipsets. This comes as a blow to those who bought premium X470 motherboards hoping for latest CPU compatibility running into 2020. At this time only B550 is available, but we expect more news on enthusiast chipsets as the Zen 3 launch date comes closer. AMD B550 is a fascinating new mid-range chipset by AMD. Launching today as a successor to the popular B450 chipset, B550 is a low-power silicon with roughly the same 5-7 W TDP as the older 400-series chipset. Although AMD won't confirm it, it's likely that the chipset is sourced from ASMedia. It brings a lot to the table that could draw buyers away from B450, but it also takes some away.

The AMD B550 currently only supports 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse" processors. Ryzen 3000 "Picasso" APU are not supported. What's more, older Ryzen 2000 "Pinnacle Ridge," "Raven Ridge," and first gen Ryzen 1000 "Summit Ridge" aren't supported, either. The Athlon 200 and 3000 "Zen" based chips miss out, too. AMD argues that it ran into ROM size limitations when trying to cram AGESA microcode for all the older processors. We find that hard to believe because B450 motherboards with the latest ComboAM4 AGESA support 2nd gen and 3rd gen processors, including APUs and Athlon SKUs based on the two. On the bright side, AMD assured us (within its marketing slides for the B550), that the chipset will support upcoming processors based on the "Zen 3" microarchitecture. The company also came up with a new motherboard packaging label that clarifies that the processors won't work with the 3400G and 3200G.
AMD B550 chipset highlights AMD B550 processor support AMD B550 vs B450
AMD B550 motherboards will feature partial PCI-Express gen 4.0 support. The main PCI-Express x16 slot, and one of the M.2 NVMe slots that are wired to the "Matisse" processor will be PCI-Express gen 4.0, however, all downstream PCIe lanes put out by the B550 chipset are gen 3.0. This is still a step up from 400-series "Promontory" chipsets, which are limited to gen 2.0. B550 puts out eight PCIe gen 3.0 lanes, which combine with the 20 usable processor lanes from "Matisse" to take the platform's total PCIe budget to 28 lanes (x16 gen 4.0 + x4 gen 4.0 + x8 gen 3.0). The B550 chipset itself connects to the "Matisse" processor via a PCI-Express 3.0 x4 connection.

In terms of connectivity, AMD's B550 chipset puts out up to six SATA 6 Gbps ports with AHCI and RAID capability; two each of 10 Gbps USB 3.2 gen 2 and 5 Gbps USB 3.2 gen 1 ports; and six USB 2.0 ports. PCIe, SATA, and USB connectivity from the "Matisse" processor is unchanged: four 10 Gbps USB 3.2 gen 2 ports, and up to two SATA 6 Gbps ports.
AMD B550 platform layout
The processor includes a PCI-Express 4.0 x16 PEG connection that can be split between slots. AMD is allowing motherboard designers to have multi-GPU capability with the B550, where the x16 PEG link is split between two x16 slots (electrical x8). Previously this capability was limited to the top-tier X370 and X470 boards. The processor also puts out one PCI-Express 4.0 x4 link meant to drive one M.2 NVMe slot or U.2 NVMe port. Every B550 motherboard we've seen so far features one M.2 PCIe gen 4.0 x4 (64 Gbps) slot.
AMD B550 motherboards
As with both its predecessors, the B350 and B450, the new B550 chipset enables full multiplier-based CPU overclocking, along with broad memory overclocking support. Motherboard designers are at liberty to kit out the B550 with the most elaborate CPU VRM solutions. Expect some of the pricier B550 boards to match their X570 counterparts in overclocking capability.

Motherboards based on the AMD B550 chipset are expected to launch on June 16, 2020. Prices start at $100, according to AMD.
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434 Comments on AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

#176
oxidized
lynx29that's shady as crap wording. lol intel and amd are the same, there is no point in brand loyalty its capitalism. neither of these companies care about you. so im picking the best performance for only 5% more money. later homies.
This, this and this
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#177
TheLostSwede
News Editor
oxidizedI read it good the first time, it's not a response, so wait let me rephrase my question. Why tout about AM4 support until 2020(2021) when you plan on forcing old customers to buy another motherboard anyway? I mean in the end whether i buy a new mobo because the old one has a chipset doesn't support the CPU i want to buy, or because the old one has a socket which doesn't support the CPU i want to buy, i'm still forced to buy another motherboard, so again what was the goal of touting about supporting AM4 socket until 2021 if in the end many will have to buy a new motherboard anyway?
Maybe you read it, but you clearly didn't understand it. The support isn't for you or me, it's for the board makers and their parts suppliers. Know that they have four or five generations of products using the same socket, means that they can plan far ahead in the future and place orders accordingly. That matters a lot when you run a business.
lynx29that's shady as crap wording. lol intel and amd are the same, there is no point in brand loyalty its capitalism. neither of these companies care about you.
Yes, they're profit seeking enterprises, so I don't get why everyone's so surprised. They make products to sell to us so they can make money. It's not stranger than that.
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#178
oxidized
TheLostSwedeMaybe you read it, but you clearly didn't understand it. The support isn't for you or me, it's for the board makers and their parts suppliers. Know that they have four or five generations of products using the same socket, means that they can plan far ahead in the future and place orders accordingly. That matters a lot when you run a business.
Meaning they planned to backstab us from the beginning using facts they should've only told manufacturers, to advertise their CONSUMER products at CONSUMER targeted events too, So well that changes nothing, they could at least have specified that chipsets would have not guaranteed support for all the CPUs throughout the period they intended to support AM4, instead they didn't, and nobody asked because it sounded obvious that it was meant as everyone understood it.
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#179
Sonicjms
Eh, I'll wait and see if my b350 gets a bios update, technically according to that chart it shouldn't have 3000 series support but it does and if one manufacturer does it they all have to in order to keep up appearances
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#180
oxidized
SonicjmsEh, I'll wait and see if my b350 gets a bios update, technically according to that chart it shouldn't have 3000 series support but it does and if one manufacturer does it they all have to in order to keep up appearances
Hopefully.
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#181
Space Lynx
Astronaut
TheLostSwedeYes, they're profit seeking enterprises, so I don't get why everyone's so surprised. They make products to sell to us so they can make money. It's not stranger than that.
Exactly, so I will pay 5% more and get max performance with z490 and ampere. and since navi 2 prob won't overclock stably similar to navi, once overclocked a 2070 super matches a 2080 super easily. ampere will prob oc very well as well, so i will oc a 3080 and obliterate navi 2. as history as shown this is almost every recent generation, i doubt it changes.
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#182
Ruru
S.T.A.R.S.
I still guess that it's more up to motherboard manufacturers, just like 300-series shouldn't had an official Zen2 support.

(didn't read previous posts here, sorry)
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#183
oxidized
lynx29Exactly, so I will pay 5% more and get max performance with z490 and ampere. and since navi 2 prob won't overclock stably similar to navi, once overclocked a 2070 super matches a 2080 super easily. ampere will prob oc very well as well, so i will oc a 3080 and obliterate navi 2. as history as shown this is almost every recent generation, i doubt it changes.
I don't understand why you're talking about GPUs tho
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#184
TheoneandonlyMrK
lynx29Exactly, so I will pay 5% more and get max performance with z490 and ampere. and since navi 2 prob won't overclock stably similar to navi, once overclocked a 2070 super matches a 2080 super easily. ampere will prob oc very well as well, so i will oc a 3080 and obliterate navi 2. as history as shown this is almost every recent generation, i doubt it changes.
Rattle fully thrown out of pram then, go you.

@oxidized I think you need to get a grip mate soo emotional, damn AMD for innovation damn AMD for not having the foresight to tell us Exactly what's occuring in three years.

Wtaf mate show me an example of any company being that specific about a product three to four no,,, find one that specific even a year ahead of them even f#£ing designing it, please do.
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#185
Space Lynx
Astronaut
oxidizedI don't understand why you're talking about GPUs tho
because AMD is a company is still disappointing me as a whole. Navi driver instability 8 months after release is a bit unacceptable. you still can't use msi afterburner to do a mild oc on Navi without it crashing.

this reflects on AMD as a collective whole. this news is the just the nail in the coffin for me. so time for z490 and ampere, stability and quality. as history has shown.
theoneandonlymrkRattle fully thrown out of pram then, go you.

@oxidized I think you need to get a grip mate soo emotional, damn AMD for innovation damn AMD for not having the foresight to tell us Exactly what's occuring in three years.

Wtaf mate show me an example of any company being that specific about a product three to four no,,, find one that specific even a year ahead of them even f#£ing designing it, please do.
im thankful for AMD for kickstarting competition, time to go back to quality though.
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#186
TheoneandonlyMrK
lynx29because AMD is a company is still disappointing me as a whole. Navi driver instability 8 months after release is a bit unacceptable. you still can't use msi afterburner to do a mild oc on Navi without it crashing.

this reflects on AMD as a collective whole. this news is the just the nail in the coffin for me. so time for z490 and ampere, stability and quality. as history has shown.



im thankful for AMD for kickstarting competition, time to go back to quality though.
Don't forget that time they brought out Polaris only to over do the pciex ,you still here.
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#187
Tom Yum
I'm rocking a 3900x on my X370 ASRock Taichi which according to AMD isn't supported. And that is ok, because it is the motherboard manufacturers who ultimately decide what their motherboards support and don't support. Some motherboard manufacturers skimped on small 16mb bios chips, they will always struggle to support newer chips. Others however did better, like the X370 Taichi and therefore have been able to accommodate 3rd gen. The latest asrock bios for my board recommends against upgrading in you run older Ryzen's, likely because they are preparing to drop support for older generations to make room for newer ones.

I think AMD doesn't want the uncertainty of saying 'your motherboard may or may not support 4th gen Ryzen', so it is easier to draw a hard line at X570/B550 yes, everything else no'. I'm confident though that the vast majority of X470's and B450 boards will get support, 1) because history has shown us that is generally the case, and 2) 4th gen remains electrically and physically compatible to AM4.
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#188
oxidized
theoneandonlymrk@oxidized I think you need to get a grip mate soo emotional, damn AMD for innovation damn AMD for not having the foresight to tell us Exactly what's occuring in three years.

Wtaf mate show me an example of any company being that specific about a product three to four no,,, find one that specific even a year ahead of them even f#£ing designing it, please do.
What? Not sure you smoked something honestly, nobody asked that AMD should've supported their "socket" until 2021, they promised it, and now they're basically not keeping that promise, because although they're supporting AM4, many will still have to buy a new mobo, so the result is the same.
lynx29because AMD is a company is still disappointing me as a whole. Navi driver instability 8 months after release is a bit unacceptable. you still can't use msi afterburner to do a mild oc on Navi without it crashing.

this reflects on AMD as a collective whole. this news is the just the nail in the coffin for me. so time for z490 and ampere, stability and quality. as history has shown.
Their CPUs are fantastic, what are you talking about, besides talking about GPUs is out of place here, it's totally offtopic, and doesn't really makes you credible, because you're sounding pretty much a fanboy with these.
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#189
Patriot
lynx29im thankful for AMD for kickstarting competition, time to go back to quality though.
XD nothing quality about having to use a water chiller to hit 5.4ghz to win an old benchmark on an older OS that doesn't have the scheduler updates for your competition and having to remove SGX because you were incapable of fixing it.
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#190
TheoneandonlyMrK
oxidizedWhat? Not sure you smoked something honestly, nobody asked that AMD should've supported their "socket" until 2021, they promised it, and now they're basically not keeping that promise, because although they're supporting AM4, some will still have to buy a new mobo, so the result is the same.



Their CPUs are fantastic, what are you talking about, besides talking about GPU is out of place here, it's totally offtopic, and doesn't really makes you credible, because you're sounding pretty much a fanboy with these.
Your chatting absolute rubbish mate , your facts are your interpretation and it's lead to delusion.

Shout me up when you , no don't.
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#191
apoklyps3
I wonder how many "+"s intel can add to their stonage era 14nm process before fanboys figure out it's a scam
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#192
oxidized
theoneandonlymrkYour chatting absolute rubbish mate , your facts are your interpretation and it's lead to delusion.

Shout me up when you , no don't.
Oh, MY interpretation? Well ok then maybe you haven't read many posts here or around other forums, that's anyone's interpretation, anyone with no bias.
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#193
apoklyps3
how intel fanboys feel when they pay 500+ more $ for 10 extra fps in random junk like fortinte :laugh:

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#194
TheinsanegamerN
TheLostSwedeMaybe you read it, but you clearly didn't understand it. The support isn't for you or me, it's for the board makers and their parts suppliers. Know that they have four or five generations of products using the same socket, means that they can plan far ahead in the future and place orders accordingly. That matters a lot when you run a business.
So AMD let the hype train build by marketing this socket to AMD DIY customers knowing well that this was a lie. If Intel marketed, say, LGA 1200 as having a 4 year life-cycle and then artificially segmented their boards with chipsets, only allowing certain CPU to work with certain chipsets, you'd be saying their were scumbags taking advantage of customers. The VERY people that ripped intel apart when it was revealed there was no technical reason the 8700k needed to be on a different socket are now jumping to AMD's defense when they do the exact same thing. There is no reason they cant support ryzen 4000 on x370. They could have mandated a 256Mbit ROM to hold future iterations of CPU microcode. But no, they backstabbed customers and sold on their long history of forwards compatibility only to run rough-shot over their consumer base.

If you have to buy a new motherboard for a CPU 2 years after the first iteration, then you are no better then intel. Ryzen came out the same year as LGA 1151, and now the same time Intel is moving to a new socket those earlier AMD customers have to buy new motherboards too, and dont even get the potential benefits of having a new socket, like better power delivery or more PCIe lanes.

The difference here is Intel tells you up front they are going to punch you in the face, AMD pretends to befriend you only to hit you on the back of the head with a wrench. There are plenty of AMD customers, myself included, that would not have bought into AM4 if they know the generation would be segmented like this, how curious AMD didnt bother defining this until the last generation was ready. Curious.....Almost like they were squeezing money out of their customers before spitting in their face. (after all, the 4 year support was NOT defined as "for manufacturers only" and never did AMD say "you wont be able to use 4000 series chips on 300 and 400 series motherboards". How....convenient for them.)
apoklyps3I wonder how many "+"s intel can add to their stonage era 14nm process before fanboys figure out it's a scam
I wonder how many node changes AMD will need before AMD fanboys admit AMD still cant match Skylake in gaming performance.
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#195
TheLostSwede
News Editor
lynx29Exactly, so I will pay 5% more and get max performance with z490 and ampere. and since navi 2 prob won't overclock stably similar to navi, once overclocked a 2070 super matches a 2080 super easily. ampere will prob oc very well as well, so i will oc a 3080 and obliterate navi 2. as history as shown this is almost every recent generation, i doubt it changes.
Great story, but no-one cares.
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#196
Turmania
I dont care about intel or amd. I just buy one that suits me and my wallet. What I never understood is both companies are out there to milk you and they have when they had the advantage.
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#197
Space Lynx
Astronaut
TheLostSwedeGreat story, but no-one cares.
don't care about your opinions either, but here we are, reading the same the thread. neat stuff.
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#198
TheoneandonlyMrK
lynx29don't care about your opinions either, but here we are, reading the same the thread. neat stuff.
Some what ironically you hate AMD the topic of this thread he isn't arsed but is non dramatic and reality based.
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#199
TheoneandonlyMrK
oxidizedReality only you red boyos see?
Quite the opposite, it's the reality you expected that's the issue, it's based on a slide that ended at 2021 and had no more than ten letter's on it, never mind a specific list of future support for a design on the drawing board that would if theoretically possible to explain, would have alerted your competitors to your intentions, that would be bold.
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#200
TheinsanegamerN
TurmaniaI dont care about intel or amd. I just buy one that suits me and my wallet. What I never understood is both companies are out there to milk you and they have when they had the advantage.
You dont care about either platform, but if you bought into one platform because of the promise of future support and that support was taken away, you'd probably be a little pissed, as many who bought a X470 motherboard last year are that their motherboards are now EOL after just a year while AMD was touting AM4 being supported through 2020, especially as many were willing to support AMD with the idea of taking the final chip, ryzen 4000, and getting 5+ total years of use out of their motherboards while being able to upgrade with better performance and more cores without a full system rebuild.

Both companies milk their fanbases, but when they twist the nipples after milking, they get a very negative reaction.
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