thesmokingmanAnd R15 isn't as well threaded as R20 to boot. The prior leaks gave the impression that they almost had parity... Oh lmao, look at that R15 , its on win 8. Avoiding a fair test by not doing it on win10... :shadedshu:

R15 always reports as Windows 8 even when running Windows 10

Just by the look of the motherboards on offer, there will be plenty o smart gamers who will buy these CPUs.

The whole problem of Intel is the price, you need a capable Z490+high-end cooling solution in addition to the CPU, while on AMD you can get a B450 for half the price of a Z490 or less, and spend the rest on the GPU which offers much more uplift then a CPU.

Xex360The whole problem of Intel is the price, you need a capable Z490+high-end cooling solution in addition to the CPU, while on AMD you can get a B450 for half the price of a Z490 or less, and spend the rest on the GPU which offers much more uplift then a CPU.

You’re correct. Some Intel peeps still claim that Intel has better pricing. I don’t know why...

Bee9You’re correct. Some Intel peeps still claim that Intel has better pricing. I don’t know why...

There are people who say that? lol

Bee9You’re correct. Some Intel peeps still claim that Intel has better pricing. I don’t know why...

To me there is a split in the market. There are those who might have bought Intel circa 2012-2014, saw the incremental clock increases and held off until Ryzen or the 8700K or 9900K launched. Then there are those who got into Intel circa 2011-2018 and saw no reason to upgrade until now (if you had an Intel build during that period you were not sad). With the new Chipset and board providing enough new things to entice them to upgrade, but with the spectre of being able to update their CPU next year gives them no reason not to get a Z490 board (most of the Asus Z490 boards on Newegg.ca are sold out). Intel and the board partners have also been pretty smart in how they have arrayed the boards to compete on pricing with X570 too (There really is something for everyone). For those who would argue that B450 is a better investment, one should keep in mind that Intel will also have lesser chipsets soon as well. At the end of the day it is good because you never want to have one being dominant over the other anyway. It is not a bad choice to get into Z490 regardless. I see the 3900X being $399 by the time July rolls around. Objectively speaking it is very difficult is someone came tome and asked my advice on a high performing family computer it would be a toss up as to what to advise between Intel and AMD at most points of price on the CPU scale.

kapone32I see the 3900X being $399 by the time July rolls around. Objectively speaking it is very difficult is someone came tome and asked my advice on a high performing family computer it would be a toss up as to what to advise between Intel and AMD at most points of price on the CPU scale.

Oh dear 3900x has been running at $400 in my area for quite some time now.
Whenever people ask me for buying advice, I ask their budget and what they will be using the computer for.

EarthDogThere are people who say that? lol

Yeah, not for this particular CPU mentioned in this thread though. Some claim the core i3 has better value than Ryzen 3300x because core i3 has iGPU. I scratch my head a lot trying to understand their point of view.

Bee9Oh dear 3900x has been running at $400 in my area for quite some time now.
Whenever people ask me for buying advice, I ask their budget and what they will be using the computer for.

Unfortunately not here in Canada

kapone32Unfortunately not here in Canada

Exactly my point it doesn't matter at this point.

Bee9Yeah, not for this particular CPU mentioned in this thread though. Some claim the core i3 has better value than Ryzen 3300x because core i3 has iGPU. I scratch my head a lot trying to understand their point of view.

It depends on their uses though, yeah. At that point , however, look at AMD APUs.

EarthDogdepends on their uses though, yeah. At that point , however, look at AMD APUs.

Just read through the newly posted 3300x review. Amazing value.

Bee9Just read through the newly posted 3300x review. Amazing value.

The 3100, for sure.

www.overclockers.com/amd-ryzen-3-3100-and-3300x-review/

Decryptor009Just seems intel is pushing for clock speed. Kind of irrelevant to the competition at least for work loads outside of gaming which is 99% of what CPU's are for.

Relevance of those "2080Ti at 1080p... in older games" is questionable as hell.
The thought was it is some sort of 'future proofing", but then new games come with multi-threading support, and hola:

XCOM: Chimera Squad

medi01but then new games come with multi-threading support, and hola:

you do realize that you mention cores/threads and list this game (one title I may add... maybe BF V as well?)... but if you notice, the first two from amd are 6c/12t and 12c/24t part. Notice how there is almost no scaling due to that? 3 meager 1.5% difference is likely from clock speeds. AMD went cache heavy on zen2 to help with gaming and ccx jumps...it worked. But let's be clear that core count didnt make much of a difference at the top here.

EarthDogyou do realize that you mention cores/threads and list this game (one title I may add... maybe BF V as well?)... but if you notice, the first two from amd are 6c/12t and 12c/24t part. Notice how there is almost no scaling due to that? 3 meager 1.5% difference is likely from clock speeds. AMD went cache heavy on zen2 to help with gaming and ccx jumps...it worked. But let's be clear that core count didnt make much of a difference at the top here.

I heard the Civ series use a lot of thread. I'm not a fan so I never test 'em out. I'm playing Total war 3 kingdoms and multi threading helps this game a lot. I allocate 20 threads to the game and see it runs much smoother.

EarthDogThe 3100, for sure.

www.overclockers.com/amd-ryzen-3-3100-and-3300x-review/

It might be the best 4 core CPU but I feel they need to price it way lower than the 3400G or even 2400G regardless if it has faster CPU cores for it to make sense. I know I will be buying one though.

Bee9I heard the Civ series use a lot of thread. I'm not a fan so I never test 'em out. I'm playing Total war 3 kingdoms and multi threading helps this game a lot. I allocate 20 threads to the game and see it runs much smoother.

Right. A small handful of titles scale over 6c/12t. It isn't much. However, with consoles out sporting 8c/16, we should see that use increase in the coming years. Still, an 8c/16t CPU bought today will last a few/several years.

EarthDogRight. A small handful of titles scale over 6c/12t. It isn't much. However, with consoles out sporting 8c/16, we should see that use increase in the coming years. Still, an 8c/16t CPU bought today will last a few/several years.

You're right. Consoles hit 16 threads then games will soon follow. I'm excited to see competition drives a lot of changes in the industry. I've been using 9900K (for gaming / streaming) and 3900X (for 3d modeling) since their releases and I'm really happy with both system.

This has been the worst Intel launch I can think of to date in at least a decade if not 15 years. I'm sure the review of the processor itself will be good in terms of gaming, but beyond that Intel is backed into a corner with lack lust innovation, overly excessive TDP in terms of today's standards, and overall lack of CPU performance outside of gaming.

Xex360The whole problem of Intel is the price, you need a capable Z490+high-end cooling solution in addition to the CPU, while on AMD you can get a B450 for half the price of a Z490 or less, and spend the rest on the GPU which offers much more uplift then a CPU.

This

9900kf 5.3ghz to10900k to ? Ghz. Worth it ?

mrthanhnguyen9900kf 5.3ghz to10900k to ? Ghz. Worth it ?

Well, think about it... is it worth the price for 2 more cores and 4 more threads? I doubt it...

As far as clocks, 5.2-5.3 is all you may get. Thankfully you have an overkill custom loop.