Monday, May 18th 2020

NVIDIA Investors Claw Back at Company, Claiming $1 Billion Mining GPU Revenue Hidden Away in the Gaming Division

NVIDIA investors have recently filed a suit against the company, claiming that NVIDIA wrongfully detailed its revenue indicators between departments. The main point of contention here is that investors claim NVIDIA knowingly obfuscated the total value of the crypto market boom (and subsequent bust) from investors, thus painting a picture of the company's outlook than was different from reality (making demand for the Gaming division look higher than it was in reality) and exposing them to a different state of affairs and revenue gains than they expected. The investors say that NVIDIA knew that a not insignificant number of its graphics cards sold between 2017 and 2018 was being bought-up solely for the purpose of crypto mining, and that the company knew this (and even marketed GPUs specifically for that purpose).

The crypto mining boom had miners gobbling up all NVIDIA and AMD graphics cards that they could, with both companies seemingly increasing production to meet the crypto mining bubble demand. However, due to the economics of crypto mining, it was clear that any profits derived from this bubble would ultimately open the door to an explosive logistics problem, as miners offloaded their graphics cards to the second-hand market, which could ultimately harm NVIDIA's financial book. Of course, one can look at NVIDIA's revenue categories at the time to see that crypto would hardly fit neatly into either the Gaming, Professional Visualization, Datacenter, Auto, or OEM & IP divisions.
Sources: The Register, via Tom's Hardware
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37 Comments on NVIDIA Investors Claw Back at Company, Claiming $1 Billion Mining GPU Revenue Hidden Away in the Gaming Division

#26
Kaotik
mtcn77There are reports. It is funny that they were suggesting the ceo would resign. That is a facetitious claim, obviously they don't know him all that well.
Depending on what the court case leads to, it's not completely out of the question even if extremely, extremely unlikely (CEOs don't get to choose, Board of Directors chosen by investors do)
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#27
R0H1T
Vayra86Disgusting scumbags. That is all. Thank you
I see you've finally seen the light, welcome to the dark bright side :toast:
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#28
chodaboy19
This type of lawsuit is quite common. If you check facebook for example, they are still litigating in regards to their IPO price movement. Every company faces lawsuits, whether the court accepts the filing is a whole different issue.
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#29
silentbogo
Barely handled the first 20-something pages of this crap before giving up.
Basically, Öhman Group are butthurt about NV stock plunge of Q4 2018-Q1 2019, which as I said before has nothing to do with mining, and definitely has everything to do with Softbank's sneaky collar trade.

The entire document is filled with speculations that either are irrelevant, or not backed by any facts , or make zero sense. Basically 80+ pages of speculations and repeating same speculations over and over.
For example, their primary focus is on Jensen having a centralized GFE database which showed that 60% of their GPUs are used for mining... Firstly, large mining farms likely don't have GFE. Second, if such stat actually existed, it would most likely include exclusively gamers that dabbled at ether mining at one point or another, got infected with cryptomalware which became a widespread thing at the time.
Another thing is their obsession with misinterpreting charts and numbers. Sales figures were always on public and it's kinda hard to miss the consistency of peaking sales and new GPU releases, plunging sales coinciding with something stupid NV did etc. Mining was consistently on the downfall for that period, which begs the question how come a 1+bn part of company's business had such a small impact on numbers? No amount of "misinterpreting" and "misrepresenting" can hide this.
That's why NVidia stock not only recovered and leveled-out, but as of today is >10% higher than previous all-time peak.
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#30
Vayra86
R0H1TI see you've finally seen the light, welcome to the dark bright side :toast:
You assume too much ;)
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#31
Kaotik
silentbogoBarely handled the first 20-something pages of this crap before giving up.
Basically, Öhman Group are butthurt about NV stock plunge of Q4 2018-Q1 2019, which as I said before has nothing to do with mining, and definitely has everything to do with Softbank's sneaky collar trade.

The entire document is filled with speculations that either are irrelevant, or not backed by any facts , or make zero sense. Basically 80+ pages of speculations and repeating same speculations over and over.
For example, their primary focus is on Jensen having a centralized GFE database which showed that 60% of their GPUs are used for mining... Firstly, large mining farms likely don't have GFE. Second, if such stat actually existed, it would most likely include exclusively gamers that dabbled at ether mining at one point or another, got infected with cryptomalware which became a widespread thing at the time.
Another thing is their obsession with misinterpreting charts and numbers. Sales figures were always on public and it's kinda hard to miss the consistency of peaking sales and new GPU releases, plunging sales coinciding with something stupid NV did etc. Mining was consistently on the downfall for that period, which begs the question how come a 1+bn part of company's business had such a small impact on numbers? No amount of "misinterpreting" and "misrepresenting" can hide this.
That's why NVidia stock not only recovered and leveled-out, but as of today is >10% higher than previous all-time peak.
So you didn't get to the parts where for example Jensen is in fact quoted in investor meeting claiming the booming GeForce sales were not crypto-related, while they really were, or the other juicy bits?
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#32
silentbogo
Kaotiko you didn't get to the parts where for example Jensen is in fact quoted in investor meeting claiming the booming GeForce sales were not crypto-related, while they really were, or the other juicy bits?
Other juicy bits? There isn't a single factual document that confirms their "mining revenue" numbers. Not a single one. Of course, at the peak of mining boom there would be presentations in an attempt to chase the market fad, of course there will be talks with manufacturers of said equipment, but nowhere in that court filing is there a solid source that would back up those claims.
Hersey and gossip isn't a factual document, powerpoint slides aren't evidence. It all boils down to "Jensen Huang has the stuff", and even if that's the case I'm sure it won't be presented as such in court (if it ever gets there).
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#33
Xaled
I've said that many times here. Also the Goldman and Sachs should be sued as well for helping Nvidia in that specific situation.
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#34
bug
silentbogoBarely handled the first 20-something pages of this crap before giving up.
Basically, Öhman Group are butthurt about NV stock plunge of Q4 2018-Q1 2019, which as I said before has nothing to do with mining, and definitely has everything to do with Softbank's sneaky collar trade.

The entire document is filled with speculations that either are irrelevant, or not backed by any facts , or make zero sense. Basically 80+ pages of speculations and repeating same speculations over and over.
For example, their primary focus is on Jensen having a centralized GFE database which showed that 60% of their GPUs are used for mining... Firstly, large mining farms likely don't have GFE. Second, if such stat actually existed, it would most likely include exclusively gamers that dabbled at ether mining at one point or another, got infected with cryptomalware which became a widespread thing at the time.
Another thing is their obsession with misinterpreting charts and numbers. Sales figures were always on public and it's kinda hard to miss the consistency of peaking sales and new GPU releases, plunging sales coinciding with something stupid NV did etc. Mining was consistently on the downfall for that period, which begs the question how come a 1+bn part of company's business had such a small impact on numbers? No amount of "misinterpreting" and "misrepresenting" can hide this.
That's why NVidia stock not only recovered and leveled-out, but as of today is >10% higher than previous all-time peak.
Finally, someone talking sense. Tyvm.
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#35
Xaled
silentbogoThat's why NVidia stock not only recovered and leveled-out, but as of today is >10% higher than previous all-time peak.
Not true at all. The only reason that Nvidia moved up since mid of March is the same reason that AMD, İntel, Amazon and other tech and e-commerce companies have moved up as well, which is the increased demand due to Corona pandemic. First mining and now Corona.

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#36
bug
XaledNot true at all. The only reason that Nvidia moved up since mid of March is the same reason that AMD, İntel, Amazon and other tech and e-commerce companies have moved up as well, which is the increased demand due to Corona pandemic. First mining and now Corona.

You really can't read graphs, can you? There's no increased demand due to coronavirus, there was dip because of it. Once the initial reaction wore off, everybody pretty much resumed their previous trend (save for Intel, which seems to have settled at a lower plateau).
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#37
silentbogo
XaledNot true at all. The only reason that Nvidia moved up since mid of March is the same reason that AMD, İntel, Amazon and other tech and e-commerce companies have moved up as well, which is the increased demand due to Corona pandemic. First mining and now Corona.
Oh yeah, blame everything on pandemic. Firstly, on those charts you can clearly see a huge dip during mass-quarantine announcements.
And the following boost had nothing to do with Mellanox acquisition, I assume?
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