Thursday, October 8th 2020
AMD Ryzen 5000 "Zen 3" "Vermeer" Launch Liveblog
AMD is announcing its next-generation Ryzen 5000 series desktop processors in the Socket AM4 package. These 7 nm processors see the implementation of the company's new "Zen 3" microarchitecture, and are expected to push the performance envelope. AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su takes centerstage in a pre-recorded launch event stream which we are live-blogging. These are facts as they appear, along with our analysis.Update 16:01 UTC: Looks like this is a pre-recorded stream made to look live (a premiere).Update 16:02 UTC: AMD runs through the "Zen" journey.Update 16:04 UTC: Dr Su takes centerstageUpdate 16:05 UTC: PS5 + Xbox Series X/S design wins are big for AMDUpdate 16:06 UTC: AMD significantly changed PC performance over the past 3 years.Update 16:08 UTC: Zen 3Update 16:09 UTC: "Best single-threaded performance and gaming performance:" Dr SuUpdate 16:09 UTC: Shipping within Q4 2020, confirmed.
Update 16:10 UTC: IPC increases confirmed, new cache topologyUpdate 16:11 UTC: Unified 8-core complex per chipletUpdate 16:11 UTC: 19% IPC Uplift!!!Update 16:13 UTC: Breakdown of the performance contributionsUpdate 16:14 UTC: Relentless commitment to energy efficiency, +24% vs prior generationUpdate 16:14 UTC: 2.8x efficiency vs. Core i9-10900KUpdate 16:15 UTC: "Zen 4" on 5 nm confirmed.
Update 16:16 UTC: Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core/24-thread, 19% IPC increase, higher clock speeds, 105W TDPUpdate 16:16 UTC: 28% gaming performance increase vs. 3900XT. AMD has leveled up to IntelUpdate 16:18 UTC: Massive gaming performance gains. Average 26% gain in CPU-limited resolutions. AMD already has parity in high-resolutions that are GPU-limitedUpdate 16:19 UTC: AMD beats Intel in single-threaded Cinebench. It's curtains for Intel's 1T CPU leadershipUpdate 16:20 UTC: The best possible PC gaming experience: Rob Hallock.
Update 16:21 UTC: The World's Best Gaming CPUs. Lineup:Update 16:21 UTC: Prices:Update 16:22 UTC: Available in November 5
Update 16:22 UTC: 16-core Ryzen 9 5950X, 105WUpdate 16:23 UTC: Up to 27% faster than the R9 3950XUpdate 16:23 UTC: 59% faster than i9-10900K in creator workloads. And Gaming. Priced $799Update 16:24 UTC: Radeon Big Navi teaserUpdate 16:25 UTC: 5900X + 6000 series flagship performance previewUpdate 16:26 UTC: That was fast! No pointless celebrity demoes, just "we're the fastest, kthxbai"
Update 16:38 UTC: AMD will bundle Far Cry 6 with the 5950X, 5900X, 5800X in select markets.
Update 16:39 UTC: And this concludes our liveblog. Wow.
Update 16:10 UTC: IPC increases confirmed, new cache topologyUpdate 16:11 UTC: Unified 8-core complex per chipletUpdate 16:11 UTC: 19% IPC Uplift!!!Update 16:13 UTC: Breakdown of the performance contributionsUpdate 16:14 UTC: Relentless commitment to energy efficiency, +24% vs prior generationUpdate 16:14 UTC: 2.8x efficiency vs. Core i9-10900KUpdate 16:15 UTC: "Zen 4" on 5 nm confirmed.
Update 16:16 UTC: Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core/24-thread, 19% IPC increase, higher clock speeds, 105W TDPUpdate 16:16 UTC: 28% gaming performance increase vs. 3900XT. AMD has leveled up to IntelUpdate 16:18 UTC: Massive gaming performance gains. Average 26% gain in CPU-limited resolutions. AMD already has parity in high-resolutions that are GPU-limitedUpdate 16:19 UTC: AMD beats Intel in single-threaded Cinebench. It's curtains for Intel's 1T CPU leadershipUpdate 16:20 UTC: The best possible PC gaming experience: Rob Hallock.
Update 16:21 UTC: The World's Best Gaming CPUs. Lineup:Update 16:21 UTC: Prices:Update 16:22 UTC: Available in November 5
Update 16:22 UTC: 16-core Ryzen 9 5950X, 105WUpdate 16:23 UTC: Up to 27% faster than the R9 3950XUpdate 16:23 UTC: 59% faster than i9-10900K in creator workloads. And Gaming. Priced $799Update 16:24 UTC: Radeon Big Navi teaserUpdate 16:25 UTC: 5900X + 6000 series flagship performance previewUpdate 16:26 UTC: That was fast! No pointless celebrity demoes, just "we're the fastest, kthxbai"
Update 16:38 UTC: AMD will bundle Far Cry 6 with the 5950X, 5900X, 5800X in select markets.
Update 16:39 UTC: And this concludes our liveblog. Wow.
123 Comments on AMD Ryzen 5000 "Zen 3" "Vermeer" Launch Liveblog
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Also we must consider that 5600X can replace 3700X even with 2 cores short. 25% less cores but with uplift performance per core. So mostly would be about the same with all core workloads with the 3700X but with a lot higher single thread and gaming performance from better IPC and higher clock. And it’s 30$ less msrp from 3700X.
It’s half of an upgrade to 3700X but it is better.
1) 3080 was a desperate move to counter Big Navi
2) It is expensive to produce, power hungry, buggy piece of hardware with no serious availability (at that price) for MONTHS TO COME (most likely scenario is more expensive 20GB version later on)
3070 is the only real product (in terms of "will be sold") that RDNA2 will complete with and from what we see Lisa will wipe the floor with Huang's offerings.
"DLSS", "RT, "Drivers" FUD will intensify, but will have limited effect.
Looking forward to a Ryzen 7 - 5700x to replace my Ryzen 7 - 1700x. 3 Generations later sounds like a sound upgrade. :) :D Many people underestimate RDNA2, including Nvidia themselves. The RTX 3080 was in fact a desperation by Nvidia. When was the last time Nvidia launched a product that had so many issues? I can't recall at the moment. The key to RDNA2 is the rumored Infinity Cache that is suppose to play a huge role in performance by allowing AMD to utilize a smaller 256-bit memory bus (takes up less space) all while maintaining or exceeding performance if having a 512-bit memory bus - For Example!
That adored leak for the 3000 series is looking even more dumber now
And let me tell yeah, their dirt cheap. Have you see the prices of the Zen2 Threadripper PRO ?
2050 EUR gets you a Lenovo Case, 1 TB hdd, one 1000W PSU, 1x16gb DDR4 3200MHZ ECC Ram, and one 12 core ThreadripperPRO Zen2 CPU(3945WX CPU).
From Here prices are as follow:
700 EUR more for the 16 core, 3955WX or
2950 EUR more for the 32 core, 3975WX or
6550 EUR more for the 64 core, 3995WX
In my opinion these are the best CPU AMD has made so far.
proper ECC suport, coto-chanell memory support, and a ton of other godies the plebeic CPUs dont get, which shouldnt happen really.
The Threadripper PRO is the peak of ZEN2 technology with everything it can offer. You can call it the Full-Option ZEN2 CPU.
Either im gonna scratch my ass and get me that, or ill wait for the full Option ZEN3 CPU.
These are the cpus to get, the rest are for the dumb masses ....
Probably 5950X could hit that last 2% of speed (+100MHz) to achieve the so important 5GHz psychological barrier but I assume it would come with an uneven cost to power draw (+5~10% maybe)
ZEN2 boosting behaviour is 90+% thermal related and the past year I saw very, very rare cases of some high end SKUs like 3800X/3900X/3950X only passing by 25~50MHz the max rated boost speed.
They needed to be really well cooled to do even that +25~50MHz and got the lucky lottery silicon. Those chips (and there is nothing to make me believe than ZEN3 wont be the same as they are on the excactly same node) are hard-coded internally (by silicon FITcontroller) and no "tricks" can by-pass the max rated single core boost. You can trick them to surpass the all-core boost algorithm, as we saw few months ago with the "Power Reporting Deviation" situation that boards report false(less) power draw back to the CPU, but thats it. Nobody can control single core boosting without leading to instability or even to damage.
I have to see the 5600 reviews for sure but right now I think for $299 I would rather pick i7 10700 over Ryzen 5600. And that is really strange to me finding better value with Intel, especially when looking at new CPU that is not even out yet. And full credit to AMD even if you are Intel fan you can't deny that without their pressure you could get something like i7 10700 for $299 from Intel.
So competition is healthy people.
Hope AMD finally brings some competition to NVIDIA as well.
And I hope that we can get few cards to pick from and some healthy supply as well as I can't stand looking at Marketplace right now people still asking $500 for used 2070 and 1080ti.
Desperate implies that Big Navi will blow out of the water RTX 3080/3090 and that will never happen.
The very best we can hope for is for 6900xt to match RTX 3080 and even if that happens NVIDIA will play the 3080ti card and that's that.
There is nothing desperate here, what you seeing is NVIDIA finally have to think about competitively pricing a product as they didn't have competition in a very very long time.
And you can't say NVIDIA counters anything as that implies that they are responding to something that is already out and that's no true either.
Also if you read between the lines AMD haven't released much information and that's only because there is not much to brag about not to mention Lisa's quote "It bill be the most powerful GPU "we" every made".
NVDIA product is already out there is no reason to withhold any information, if anything AMD would benefit as it would give reason to potential NVIDIA customers to hold off on buying RTX.
So nothing I've seen so far seen screams that Big Navi will be this great success or anything NVIDIA should be concerned about.
Right now I'll settle with being competitive with 3080 and keep NVIDIA honest.
I think 6900xt will be slower than 3080, maybe match in some games that suits it better but that will be about it, offer more VRAM which will be the main selling point for AMD.
But honest to God I don't know what's the peoples fixation of amount of VRAM as the only valid metric is FPS.
Don't try to sell me that futureproof bs as never ever in history of GPUs extra vram was proven to get you more FPS down the line.
And so much unknowns like what the performance impact would be when enable Raytracing, how does the AMD Raytracing quality compares to NVDIA's, will AMD introduce something to compete with DLS 2.0, does the games will have to have separate implementation for each.
Personally I'm not too big of a fan of the current state of Raytracing as you pay a hefty performance penalty for something that most times it just looks different but you can't tell if it looks better or not.
And I don't dispute that Raytracing is the way to go it's just I don' think was worth it before when looking at 2080ti price.
As far as DLS 2.0 that's pure awesomeness, the opposite of Raytracing getting hefty performance boost but you barely notice difference in quality.
Didn't they say that only x470/b450 will support them?
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I really don't see 8 core cpu's changing gaming benchmarks and I don't do streaming or multitasking of any kind so yeah I think i will save $250 and get the 5600X. i really don't see why you wouldn't spend $100 more for an extra speed boost and 4 more cores, the 5800x makes no sense to me.
5600X its not 8/16 CPU but is a 6/12 which is better than 4/8. Plus its clocks and IPC will place it above 3900X for gaming.
hm,amd has 7nm cpu its pocket over year,but i cant understand...still 7nm ryzen CANT boost 5ghz?
what it is telling..hmm not good...
also,i see only amds price politics change.
i really recomended to check intel Rocket Lake performance 1st!
intel last 14nm cpu.
and then finaly, we see really what kind cpu amd 7nm ryzen vermeer is, when intel 10nm Adler Lake is here!
its happend Q2/2021.
battle:
intel Adler Lake hydrib 10nm VS 7nm amd vermeer zen 4 (2021)
i really recomemnded to search info intel Hybrid cpus.
Total new age and performane level start.
So for you to know, Intel has no other way this time but to come up with a hybrid architecture to be able to compete, at least performance and core count wise. It’s the 10nm consistent failures that forced Intel into this path. This was was not their original plan nor the optimal one.
So I’m not blaming you for trying to present this as the new discovery of the wheel.
It’s simple... you are missing the big picture and you have a mindset of some meaningless numbers.
It’s simple... you are missing the big picture and you have a mindset of some meaningless numbers.
AMD probably took all the room available just like with ZEN2, and why not...
Wanted to hit Intel to everywhere they can.