Not a huge step forward for 6c12t. That IPC boost better pay off then. AMD is definitely moving the Intel way in terms of pricing. Rightly so, but still.

Considering I paid 329 or something for this 8700K which still gets pretty close on ST/MT

Some might call me a fanboy but I actually see no problem in overall price increase in AMD processors. Like many said AMD wanna elevate the mindshare of Ryzen to a more premium one and increase profit.
But ultimately AMD treats its processors like android manufacturers. Street price becomes almost half during its life-cycle. So only early-adopters will have to pay the taxes.

I'm really surprised for people bashing the $50 price bump. $299 for the 3600x is a great price. I remember people where buying the 8700K for 360 MSRP (if you could get it) and no complaints there plus new motherboard etc. Short memory I suppose.
Also, why they release the 3600 non-XT last? Damn, these are made of chiplets so the quality and binning comes into play to satisfy all the CPU range they have matching the specification. Lower quality will definitely go as 3600 non-XT. Take as the chiplets leftovers that can't be used in a higher tier CPUs.

Hi,
Yep even 30 series chips dropped in price shortly after release.

kapone32Rocket Lake may not launch until the end of the first quarter.

ya i'm thinking March 2021.

Makaveliya i'm thinking March 2021.

I think later but that's just me. Intel will announce it at the end of March probably but I wouldn't expect the official launch to be March.

Hi,
Yeah Intel will drop astroid lake just before lol

AnarchoPrimitivAre people complaining about pricing forgetting that when the 8 core 1800x launched it was $500? Now, the 5800x, with 8 cores, but probably 40%+ faster is $50 cheaper at $450....so, since the first generation its become $50 cheaper while seeing massive performance gains... What's there to complain about?

I'm not a rich person (and I'm not one of those rich people who just says they're not rich either), I'm working class (not middle class), and I want to upgrade my 2700x and X470 board just as much as everyone else, but I truly see absolutely nothing wrong with AMD raising the prices by $50. To me, that seems perfectly reasonable considering the 5000 series should be the best CPUs on the market in every single metric. And if that's too much, buy Ryzen 3000/Zen2, which should have even further discounts. At a certain point it starts to seem like certain people want it both ways, they want AMD to have the best performance while remaining the value brand, and it'll never be that way.

Currently, as in right now, on Newegg the cheapest price for a 10900k is $600. So, if the 5800x is going to be better than the 10900k in gaming as well as multithreaded as speculated, how is $450 asking to much?

Best post ive seen on the pricing debate. People just want to whine because its AMD. few years ago they was paying almost $1000 for intel 8 or 10 core i believe. Like how is AMD supposed to build up any kind of war chest to fight the other two giants in NVIDIA and INTEL who was way more money and profit margins. Its quite annoying to see. They comparing msrp to current outgoing stock prices. LMAO. And if $50 is too much for 19%ipc and over 20% performance and best in class then there is no pleasing people. Not only that, they assuming the price to performance is worst before even seeing any benchmarks. People need to make up their mind

ratirtI think later but that's just me. Intel will announce it at the end of March probably but I wouldn't expect the official launch to be March.

Based on current history exactly.

AnarchoPrimitivCurrently, as in right now, on Newegg the cheapest price for a 10900k is $600. So, if the 5800x is going to be better than the 10900k in gaming as well as multithreaded as speculated, how is $450 asking to much?

Looking at prices in Germany, cheapest 10900K listed is 536€, in stock (as in get it right now) 570€, 10900KF for about 500€. Then there is 10850K (same as 10900K except 100MHz slower) listed in Amazon at 414€ (Oct 24) and Mindfactory has it in stock for 432€.

AnarchoPrimitivAre people complaining about pricing forgetting that when the 8 core 1800x launched it was $500? Now, the 5800x, with 8 cores, but probably 40%+ faster is $50 cheaper at $450....so, since the first generation its become $50 cheaper while seeing massive performance gains... What's there to complain about?

1800X was horribly overpriced thing that was not popular especially when $329 1700 was almost the same CPU after some OC. Unless Ryzen 5000 series gets a $300-350 8-core, there is a valid enough reason to complain.

ODOGG26Best post ive seen on the pricing debate. People just want to whine because its AMD. few years ago they was paying almost $1000 for intel 8 or 10 core i believe. Like how is AMD supposed to build up any kind of war chest to fight the other two giants in NVIDIA and INTEL who was way more money and profit margins. Its quite annoying to see. They comparing msrp to current outgoing stock prices. LMAO. And if $50 is too much for 19%ipc and over 20% performance and best in class then there is no pleasing people. Not only that, they assuming the price to performance is worst before even seeing any benchmarks. People need to make up their mind

Totally agreed in fact AMD CPUs may increase in price after launch. I know I will be ordering a 5600X as soon as they are available. It wasn't almost it was $999 US. Then the fact that you already have a MB that does or will support them. I expect that it will be after Xmas before stock becomes readily available. The fact that X570 boards have not come down in price or indeed even the CPUs have not really fluctuated in price either speaks to the demand for AMD based on Youtube mind share combined with Intel's fumbling. There is also the fact that if reviews confirm that these CPUs are faster in Gaming than the 10900K there will be nothing (Maybe Far Cry whatever) that Intel has to counter in any CPU based application be it Gaming or whatever (it is already whatever). I am definitely going to update my TR4 build with whatever the 5000 Threadripper chips are. 2 5600X with most likely 140 MB of Cache sounds insane just typing it.

londisteLooking at prices in Germany, cheapest 10900K listed is 536€, in stock (as in get it right now) 570€, 10900KF for about 500€. Then there is 10850K (same as 10900K except 100MHz slower) listed in Amazon at 414€ (Oct 24) and Mindfactory has it in stock for 432€.

On ebay the cheapest I could find is $629 for the 10900K.

ODOGG26Best post ive seen on the pricing debate. People just want to whine because its AMD. few years ago they was paying almost $1000 for intel 8 or 10 core i believe. Like how is AMD supposed to build up any kind of war chest to fight the other two giants in NVIDIA and INTEL who was way more money and profit margins. Its quite annoying to see. They comparing msrp to current outgoing stock prices. LMAO. And if $50 is too much for 19%ipc and over 20% performance and best in class then there is no pleasing people. Not only that, they assuming the price to performance is worst before even seeing any benchmarks. People need to make up their mind

Sooner or later I hope these whiners will see where they went wrong with their thinking and make up for it. As for me, the price for new upcoming Ryzen is very good. The value yet to be seen in the benchmarks for more accurate numbers and performance ratios.

ratirtOn ebay the cheapest I could find is $629 for the 10900K.


Sooner or later I hope these whiners will see where they went wrong with their thinking and make up for it. As for me, the price for new upcoming Ryzen is very good. The value yet to be seen in the benchmarks for more accurate numbers and performance ratios.

Intel CPUs are still expensive everywhere except the US. If the 5000 series is 20%+ faster than 3000 it is money well spent.

kapone32Intel CPUs are still expensive everywhere except the US. If the 5000 series is 20%+ faster than 3000 it is money well spent.

5.2ghz boost 10c/20t i9 for 432€ sounds like a pretty good deal as far as perf/$ goes.

ratirtI'm really surprised for people bashing the $50 price bump. $299 for the 3600x is a great price. I remember people where buying the 8700K for 360 MSRP (if you could get it) and no complaints there plus new motherboard etc. Short memory I suppose.
Also, why they release the 3600 non-XT last? Damn, these are made of chiplets so the quality and binning comes into play to satisfy all the CPU range they have matching the specification. Lower quality will definitely go as 3600 non-XT. Take as the chiplets leftovers that can't be used in a higher tier CPUs.

No complaints? It was considered pretty pricy at the time, I mean, I guess its not if you've always had your benchmark set for Extreme Editions, but every other mortal...

We're now several years later and the average price per core has drastically dropped in both camps. So yes, I can understand why this one raises eyebrows. Its not a capital offense or anything... but its clear performance gets priced accordingly.

londiste5.2ghz boost 10c/20t i9 for 432€ sounds like a pretty good deal as far as perf/$ goes.

That is $653 CAD or about $500 US. That means if the 5800X is faster than the 10900K it would be priced right at $549 US. BTW $549 Us is 467.32 Euro so like a $35 difference.

Vayra86No complaints? It was considered pretty pricy at the time, I mean, I guess its not if you've always had your benchmark set for Extreme Editions, but every other mortal...

We're now several years later and the average price per core has drastically dropped in both camps. So yes, I can understand why this one raises eyebrows. Its not a capital offense or anything... but its clear performance gets priced accordingly.

Oh pricey. You know how it went down anyway. Many people throw themselves at these processors.
I know what you mean but you have to consider one thing with AMD. When they've released Ryzen 1st gen, AMD had to compete on the price point level to catch up and attract customers. Now it isn't just the price they are competing with and offer with their products and thus it's normal that the price is higher. In any case, the price is not high. It is higher but it is not high that's for sure. If people want the price cuts, let Intel do it. AMD cannot be perceived as the one that will always cut the price because that's what it always (or mostly) had been due to inferior architecture. We all are not sure what the new Ryzen will actually bring but considering the keynote of the Ryzen 5000 done by AMD, it may actually be a game changer. You still get 8c/16t for $450. Considering how much Intel had been charging for 6c/12t back in the day it isn't much. AMD deserves the credit for the "more core" attitude and you still get 8c/16t for a reasonable price no matter how you see the price for new Ryzen processors.

kapone32That is $653 CAD or about $500 US. That means if the 5800X is faster than the 10900K it would be priced right at $549 US. BTW $549 Us is 467.32 Euro so like a $35 difference.

German prices, 16% VAT. Rule of thumb is that EU prices in € are roughly equal to US prices in $. No idea about Canada though :)

ratirtYou still get 8c/16t for $450. Considering how much Intel had been charging for 6c/12t back in the day it isn't much.

The HEDT platform you needed back then for more than 4 cores was expensive but I did not remember CPUs themselves being that extremely expensive back then. So, I looked it up. If we do not look at the $1000 Extreme Edition CPUs, then 6-core CPUs were:
- 3930K (Q4-11) and 4930K (Q3-13) were $594.
- 5820K (Q3-14) was $389 and 5930K was $594.
- 6800K (Q2-16) was $434 and 6850K was $617.
- 7800X (Q2-17) was $389 and completely pointless at that point.

6 cores on desktop started after that:
- 1600/1600X (Q2-17) were $219 and $249
- 8700K (Q4-17) was $360-370

Keep in mind that desktop and mainstream was 4 cores at $330-ish all this time. Today, you get 8 cores in both camps for $330-ish.
Similarly to the 4 > 6 cores back then 8 > 12 cores means going from $330 to $499 in case of 3900X which does not seem all that different in relative terms.

It is not the entire range for most of these obviously but you were talking about 6 cores. 5000-series had 8c EE, 6000-series had 8c for $1K and 10c for $1.7K, 7000-series had... messed up prices mostly up to $2K for 18 cores. On the other hand, desktop CPUs these days go up all the way to $750-800. You get what you pay for but the price range has been extended by a lot.

londiste6 cores on desktop started after that:
- 1600/1600X (Q2-17) were $219 and $249
- 8700K (Q4-17) was $360-370

I was referring to these 2 points that I have mentioned.
1600x low price to catch up with the market and now the price for the new Ryzen is higher since it is not just a low price competition.
And 8700k with MSRP cost of $360 which, as some people mentioned was pretty steep. Not to mention this 8700K showed up at this price and actually showed up in the desktop due to Ryzen.
All this is to explain how I see the price for new Ryzens which in my eyes is very very attractive and fair even though, people mention, the price is higher.

I didn't care about bringing up previous generations since it was before Ryzen and basically it doesn't matter at this point.

Chrispy_And there we have the drop-in replacement for anyone rocking a 2600 or 3600, provided your motherboard manufacturer doesn't screw up their BIOS rollouts.

This is going to be the budget gaming chip of choice for all of next year, unless Intel really pulls a rabbit out of the hat, or unless the leaked/claimed performance of Zen3 is all lies.

I'm not so sure at that price point. I just bought the 3600 for $160 at Microcenter on Saturday. However, the stock cooler is so crap that we should all add quite a bit to that price tag. I thought it would be fine but that wraith 'cooler' rivals northbridge fans in terms of how annoyingly loud it can get. So now I'm going to be looking at some air coolers ore maybe an AIO....

ANYHOW, at $220 I'm not sure people are going to go for the 5600 over the 3600 that may be quite a bit cheaper when that time comes.

Th3pwn3rI'm not so sure at that price point. I just bought the 3600 for $160 at Microcenter on Saturday. However, the stock cooler is so crap that we should all add quite a bit to that price tag. I thought it would be fine but that wraith 'cooler' rivals northbridge fans in terms of how annoyingly loud it can get. So now I'm going to be looking at some air coolers ore maybe an AIO....

ANYHOW, at $220 I'm not sure people are going to go for the 5600 over the 3600 that may be quite a bit cheaper when that time comes.

I been using that cooler in my case with the 2700x (i went liquid) and I didn't see this cooler as being a crappy one. Actually it was good enough.
Maybe you just need to adjust the RPM of the cooler and it will be ok.

Th3pwn3rANYHOW, at $220 I'm not sure people are going to go for the 5600 over the 3600 that may be quite a bit cheaper when that time comes.

And thats totally fine as thats what AMD wants. buy out old stock to make way for new stock. Then soon these new stock prices will come down a bit. Its as per usual every year since Ryzen dropped. lol

ratirtI been using that cooler in my case with the 2700x (i went liquid) and I didn't see this cooler as being a crappy one. Actually it was good enough.
Maybe you just need to adjust the RPM of the cooler and it will be ok.

You mean the stock cooler of 3600nonX?
It’s barely enough. Remember it’s the Wraith Stealth. If the case is not cooled really well the CPU can easily go up 80+C.

ratirtI been using that cooler in my case with the 2700x (i went liquid) and I didn't see this cooler as being a crappy one. Actually it was good enough.
Maybe you just need to adjust the RPM of the cooler and it will be ok.

Honestly, as loud as it is I'm gonna get rid of it. Lowering the RPM isn't going to do any wonders. I guess this is a problem I created, the other two air cooled machines I have near me have big Noctua coolers and fans. This computer has a 360mm AIO which can get a bit loud if the fans are at full rpm(very rarely) but even then it doesn't come close to that level. I wonder if AMD will make something decent for the newer series.

Zach_01You mean the stock cooler of 3600nonX?
It’s barely enough. Remember it’s the Wraith Stealth. If the case is not cooled really well the CPU can easily go up 80+C.

Wraith Spire bundled with 3600X is not much of an improvement. AMD quietly nerfed it for 3000-series, losing the copper/vapor chamber compared to what it initially was in 2000-series boxes. That is a pretty big difference.