I don't need reviews, I'm updating an Ivy Bridge 3570K and GTX1070. 5800X and 6900XT will obliterate this. And I don't just do gaming so for many things I do the performance delta will be staggering.

Is this the last generation on AM4?

It seems like a bad idea but I am thinking about selling my 3900x and buying the 5900x.

NordicIs this the last generation on AM4?

It seems like a bad idea but I am thinking about selling my 3900x and buying the 5900x.

Yes it is the last AM4 series.
As for the replacement you are looking, it’s for you to decide if it’s worth it or not. See the reviews first and then decide. My estimation is +20~25% performance across everything.

Zach_01Yes it is the last AM4 series.

Thanks. :love:

Zach_01As for the replacement you are looking, it’s for you to decide if it’s worth it or not. See the reviews first and then decide.

Clearly.

AnarchoPrimitivAre people complaining about pricing forgetting that when the 8 core 1800x launched it was $500? Now, the 5800x, with 8 cores, but probably 40%+ faster is $50 cheaper at $450....so, since the first generation its become $50 cheaper while seeing massive performance gains... What's there to complain about?

I'm not a rich person (and I'm not one of those rich people who just says they're not rich either), I'm working class (not middle class), and I want to upgrade my 2700x and X470 board just as much as everyone else, but I truly see absolutely nothing wrong with AMD raising the prices by $50. To me, that seems perfectly reasonable considering the 5000 series should be the best CPUs on the market in every single metric. And if that's too much, buy Ryzen 3000/Zen2, which should have even further discounts. At a certain point it starts to seem like certain people want it both ways, they want AMD to have the best performance while remaining the value brand, and it'll never be that way.

Currently, as in right now, on Newegg the cheapest price for a 10900k is $600. So, if the 5800x is going to be better than the 10900k in gaming as well as multithreaded as speculated, how is $450 asking to much?

Ikr, even if 5800x was $300, people would find their way to keep complaining.

Back then I bought 1700X for cheaper than 7700K. And now 5800X is cheaper than 10900K, plus with AMD we don't need to buy high end expensive board like Intel. AMD is very generous enough. Taking all of these into account, 5800X is still far a better deal with this price.

Although I'd like to see 5700X with lower TDP.

lemoncarbonateIkr, even if 5800x was $300, people would find their way to keep complaining.

Back then I bought 1700X for cheaper than 7700K. And now 5800X is cheaper than 10900K, plus with AMD we don't need to buy high end expensive board like Intel. AMD is very generous enough. Taking all of these into account, 5800X is still far a better deal with this price.

Although I'd like to see 5700X with lower TDP.

If exists a second 8core 99,9% it’s going to be a 65W TDP. There isn’t other logic

Vayra86Not a huge step forward for 6c12t. That IPC boost better pay off then. AMD is definitely moving the Intel way in terms of pricing. Rightly so, but still.

Considering I paid 329 or something for this 8700K which still gets pretty close on ST/MT

I remember when top single core was about a thousand $
www.anandtech.com/show/1529

I also remember paying over $300 for a single core S754 A64 single core and $170 for a single stick of DDR-400 512MB ram, back in 2003 ish, tack on inflation and whats that in 2020 $$??

I thought it was like the jackpot when I got a 1700 8-core cpu for $330.

londiste10600K sells for ~230 right now. 5600 needs to beat that.
Early 2021 means it needs to contend with whatever Rocket Lake is going to bring to the table.

Amazon $275
Newegg $280

N3M3515Amazon $275
Newegg $280

Can we add a decent board selection on top of this to have it unlocked and all the good stuff?

No need to... Its just a point.

Th3pwn3rI'm not so sure at that price point. I just bought the 3600 for $160 at Microcenter on Saturday. However, the stock cooler is so crap that we should all add quite a bit to that price tag. I thought it would be fine but that wraith 'cooler' rivals northbridge fans in terms of how annoyingly loud it can get. So now I'm going to be looking at some air coolers ore maybe an AIO....

ANYHOW, at $220 I'm not sure people are going to go for the 5600 over the 3600 that may be quite a bit cheaper when that time comes.

The original Zen and Zen+ coolers were very good. For Zen2 AMD kind of trashed their cooler lineup and only the Wraith Prism is any good now. The fan on the Stealth was made louder and cheaper, the same fan was added to the Spire and it's no longer copper-based so it also has to work harder with that rubbish fan.

At this point, AMD's Stealth and Spire are like Intel coolers, they'll tie you over in an emergency but nobody is going to want them any more.

So when it launches in November, there is no AMD option of new CPU`s below $300 ? I do not understand what they are thinking, at least have something like Ryzen3 5300x at $150, at least to dominate where the real money is.

TurmaniaSo when it launches in November, there is no AMD option of new CPU`s below $300 ? I do not understand what they are thinking, at least have something like Ryzen3 5300x at $150, at least to dominate where the real money is.

The 3300X and 3100 were launched in May this year. The Zen 3 variants are a long way off.

Hyderz@ $220 the 5600 will sell like hot cakes if perf increases 15% overall from 3600

i can see the guys on 1600 or 2600 will make the jump.

Yup. But not worth it for me to upgrade from my R5 3600. I already flashed my BIOS with new one that added support for ZEN 3, but I'll probably wait later in 2021 when someone will be selling used 8 or 12 core ZEN 3. That will be a nice upgrade.

DuxCroYup. But not worth it for me to upgrade from my R5 3600. I already flashed my BIOS with new one that added support for ZEN 3, but I'll probably wait later in 2021 when someone will be selling used 8 or 12 core ZEN 3. That will be a nice upgrade.

For you (and me, having the same) could make sense a higher corecount/frequency part and for sure not now.
Personally I'm going to ZEN3 (8/12core) in 2022 and keep it a few years more.

Right now a 5600X or 5600nonX later if exists, could make sense to user with much older system. We dont know yet the full reviews but its likely (from IPC and clocks for the X) that a 5600/5600X will be better than the higher 3000 CPU in gaming. And it could be matching allcore to a 3700X.

DuxCroYup. But not worth it for me to upgrade from my R5 3600. I already flashed my BIOS with new one that added support for ZEN 3, but I'll probably wait later in 2021 when someone will be selling used 8 or 12 core ZEN 3. That will be a nice upgrade.

That's completely normal. It's rarely, if ever, a good idea to replace existing hardware every generation; Your 3600 will be fine until AM5 comes along.

Zach_01For you (and me, having the same) could make sense a higher corecount/frequency part and for sure not now.
Personally I'm going to ZEN3 (8/12core) in 2022 and keep it a few years more.

Right now a 5600X or 5600nonX later if exists, could make sense to user with much older system. We dont know yet the full reviews but its likely (from IPC and clocks for the X) that a 5600/5600X will be better than the higher 3000 CPU in gaming. And it could be matching allcore to a 3700X.

For both you this is why for me it makes sense. The best gauge we have right now for 5000 series performance is the 3300X. That CPU is in some cases the fastest AM4 CPU right now. If simply looking at that a 6 core single CCX vs the 3600 should bring a 15+% improvement in overall performance. It has been proven that the 3300X does not have any latency lag when it comes to Infinity fabric. I know I could sell my 3600 for $200 CAD. I would then need another $175 (hopefully) for the 5600X. I would get an X chip because the 3600 (even though it is a killer CPU)(mine anyway) does not go past 4.2 GHZ on all cores. The thing is I tried the other way and it didn't work but undervolting is where my 3600 shines at 1.1 V on my Vcore@ 4.2 GHZ. If the 5600X is anything like the 3300X it should also OC to 4.5 GHZ with ease. I do hope that one area that AMD has concentrated on is Infinity Fabric. If they have made it more scaleable to say 2400MHZ, that could have massive performance improvements. Ryzen already takes advantage of faster RAM period (current Gen) but RAM has been available at 4000+ MHZ for years if AMD has found a way to mitigate that it could be scary for even Tiger Lake.

TurmaniaSo when it launches in November, there is no AMD option of new CPU`s below $300 ? I do not understand what they are thinking, at least have something like Ryzen3 5300x at $150, at least to dominate where the real money is.

The 3300X already sills that space (Not that you can buy one)

kapone32For both you this is why for me it makes sense. The best gauge we have right now for 5000 series performance is the 3300X. That CPU is in some cases the fastest AM4 CPU right now. If simply looking at that a 6 core single CCX vs the 3600 should bring a 15+% improvement in overall performance. It has been proven that the 3300X does not have any latency lag when it comes to Infinity fabric. I know I could sell my 3600 for $200 CAD. I would then need another $175 (hopefully) for the 5600X. I would get an X chip because the 3600 (even though it is a killer CPU)(mine anyway) does not go past 4.2 GHZ on all cores. The thing is I tried the other way and it didn't work but undervolting is where my 3600 shines at 1.1 V on my Vcore@ 4.2 GHZ. If the 5600X is anything like the 3300X it should also OC to 4.5 GHZ with ease. I do hope that one area that AMD has concentrated on is Infinity Fabric. If they have made it more scaleable to say 2400MHZ, that could have massive performance improvements. Ryzen already takes advantage of faster RAM period (current Gen) but RAM has been available at 4000+ MHZ for years if AMD has found a way to mitigate that it could be scary for even Tiger Lake.

The 3600 has single boost 4.2GHz on 2 selected cores. How can posibly work past 4.2 allcore. Mine all core boost is 4.0GHz and I real dont need anything else. I just gaming and internet. There i no point to keep the frequency static for me. I'm not going to compete the benchmarks.

As for RAM and InfinityFabric on the new ZEN3 it will probably be exactly the same with ZEN2 in terms of speed, as they copy-paste the I/O die from ZEN2 to ZEN3.
Given the new CCD/CCX unified configuration there is no need for high speed RAM and IF as there is no more high interCCX latency as the presented gaming performance implied. And they said that they made other enhancement in architecture too.

The same official support for 3200MHz exists. It could be the case that now more CPUs will hit the 1900MHz point for FCLK/UCLK/MEMCLK, but I dont expect this to increase. Likely...

I do not think you understand what I tried to say, nevermind the inflated AMD tax on new cpu's, when it is launched the cheapest option will be 300 usd. That leaves a huge gap between 100 to 300 usd segment. I just find it bewildering that they did not offer a product at other price segments. You can argue there is yesterdays products that sits there, but that is not the point.

Zach_01You mean the stock cooler of 3600nonX?
It’s barely enough. Remember it’s the Wraith Stealth. If the case is not cooled really well the CPU can easily go up 80+C.

Th3pwn3rHonestly, as loud as it is I'm gonna get rid of it. Lowering the RPM isn't going to do any wonders. I guess this is a problem I created, the other two air cooled machines I have near me have big Noctua coolers and fans. This computer has a 360mm AIO which can get a bit loud if the fans are at full rpm(very rarely) but even then it doesn't come close to that level. I wonder if AMD will make something decent for the newer series.

I think you can still try tweaking it. And yeah mine was wraith prism and it wasn't so bad. Never had stealth in my hands or ever used it but I see what you guys mean.

Zach_01The 3600 has single boost 4.2GHz on 2 selected cores. How can posibly work past 4.2 allcore. Mine all core boost is 4.0GHz and I real dont need anything else. I just gaming and internet. There i no point to keep the frequency static for me. I'm not going to compete the benchmarks.

As for RAM and InfinityFabric on the new ZEN3 it will probably be exactly the same with ZEN2 in terms of speed, as they copy-paste the I/O die from ZEN2 to ZEN3.
Given the new CCD/CCX unified configuration there is no need for high speed RAM and IF as there is no more high interCCX latency as the presented gaming performance implied. And they said that they made other enhancement in architecture too.

The same official support for 3200MHz exists. It could be the case that now more CPUs will hit the 1900MHz point for FCLK/UCLK/MEMCLK, but I dont expect this to increase. Likely...

Yes and the 3600X is 4.4 hence the X designation. It is one of the reasons I am getting a 5600X. I don't know if you had the pleasure of using the 3300X but that CPU also reacts to RAM speed and is a single CCX. Even though we don't know what we will see it is fun to speculate.

TurmaniaI do not think you understand what I tried to say, nevermind the inflated AMD tax on new cpu's, when it is launched the cheapest option will be 300 usd. That leaves a huge gap between 100 to 300 usd segment. I just find it bewildering that they did not offer a product at other price segments. You can argue there is yesterdays products that sits there, but that is not the point.

Just a friendly suggestion:

It is better to quote the poster your are talking/answering to avoid confusion if your answer is not directly below his.

ratirtI think you can still try tweaking it. And yeah mine was wraith prism and it wasn't so bad. Never had stealth in my hands or ever used it but I see what you guys mean.

I think the stealth is half the size (hight) of prism.

TurmaniaI do not think you understand what I tried to say, nevermind the inflated AMD tax on new cpu's, when it is launched the cheapest option will be 300 usd. That leaves a huge gap between 100 to 300 usd segment. I just find it bewildering that they did not offer a product at other price segments. You can argue there is yesterdays products that sits there, but that is not the point.

Actually you don't understand. There are CPUs for lower than $200 from AMD camp but you disregard this information. AMD will probably plan to make APUs with the new Ryzen but that will take time so stay tuned. 6c/12t is not the lowest tier for desktop CPUs you know.
BTW you can't say the prices are inflated only because they are higher than previous generation. You need to make an estimation of the value this product gives and that requires the processors to launch first, reviews and testing and a comparison to other products to make sure but from what we know from AMD's presentation the price is justified as for now. The price is higher than previous generation but it isn't inflated, that's for sure.

ratirtActually you don't understand. There are CPUs for lower than $200 from AMD camp but you disregard this information. AMD will probably plan to make APUs with the new Ryzen but that will take time so stay tuned.

I think he means Zen 3 lower priced parts (5600 non x i guess and 5300x), not zen 1 or zen 2

N3M3515I think he means Zen 3 lower priced parts (5600 non x i guess and 5300x), not zen 1 or zen 2

Yes its true, I believe this he ment...
Think of it like this. Right now AMD could be a little on the show-off side and probable they're having pretty darn good yields on 7nm and they can do the X models first and supply them without issues.
Remember that until Next year ZEN3 will be usable only on 500series. By the time (or a little after) 400 get the green light I believe they will launch the lower end ones. Probably close to Intel's 11th gen, to distract market... The usual marketing that all brands play.

N3M3515I think he means Zen 3 lower priced parts (5600 non x i guess and 5300x), not zen 1 or zen 2

Not really. How I see it he wants the 5600x to go lower in price than its MSRP claiming price inflation. He didn't mention anything about the lower models but the inflation of the prices for announced release so I don't think he had meant the 5600 non XT or other. There will be time for other products. You need to understand that these are manufactured with chiplets and the best quality will go to a higher tier. So the lower models will come later probably. For me, no shock there for others oh well...