@ $220 the 5600 will sell like hot cakes if perf increases 15% overall from 3600

i can see the guys on 1600 or 2600 will make the jump.

10600K sells for ~230 right now. 5600 needs to beat that.
Early 2021 means it needs to contend with whatever Rocket Lake is going to bring to the table.

I wonder if a Ryzen 5700 would be announced as well. I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't so it wouldn't overlap with the RX 5700 GPU, but if they'd annouced a 5700 for around $300-$350 would be great

I don't understand the secrecy of all this bs... they should have just told us on reveal day and said a 5600 will be here in early 2021. the other 3 chips will still be sold out of months regardless of them telling us that. pandemic has increased this niche hobby consumer base tenfold. we will be lucky to get any chip until early 2021.

PLSG08I wonder if a Ryzen 5700 would be announced as well. I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't so it wouldn't overlap with the RX 5700 GPU, but if they'd annouced a 5700 for around $300-$350 would be great

If naming is all that stands in their way, they could always name it 5800 non X.

Hyderz@ $220 the 5600 will sell like hot cakes if perf increases 15% overall from 3600

i can see the guys on 1600 or 2600 will make the jump.

Depending the turbo and all core speeds but it will be more than 15%.
If we say that it has the same speeds as 3600 (4.2GHz single, 3.95~4.0GHz all core) then by IPC alone it will perform +15~20% across all workloads.
Now for single core if it runs +200MHz you can add another 5% on top of that 15~20%.
For all core, because ZEN3 has also better performance/watt they probably have room (for 65W TDP) to increase at least another 200MHz the all core speed. So another +5%.

5600 = 3600 + 20~25%

PLSG08I wonder if a Ryzen 5700 would be announced as well. I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't so it wouldn't overlap with the RX 5700 GPU, but if they'd annouced a 5700 for around $300-$350 would be great

With current announced prices, if a 5700X/5800nonX exists, I believe it would be around 350~380$. In the middle of 5600X-5800X

ShurikNIf naming is all that stands in their way, they could always name it 5800 non X.

Although they do have already the RX 5600XT and the R5 5600X

londiste10600K sells for ~230 right now. 5600 needs to beat that.
Early 2021 means it needs to contend with whatever Rocket Lake is going to bring to the table.

Where?? Link please

Hyderz@ $220 the 5600 will sell like hot cakes if perf increases 15% overall from 3600

i can see the guys on 1600 or 2600 will make the jump.

I'm sitting on a 1600AE. I wanted to jump to a 5600X, but at 299USD... nah.
At 269USD MSRP would've been a maybe. 50 bucks plus on the "lower end" is too much.
They probably want to shift ZEN2 stock, but those are already on major discounts and get even cheaper, making a 299USD R5 part look just silly.

At this rate I'll probably pick up a 3700X on discount as it will end up quite a bit cheaper than 5600X launch pricing or just get a couple months old second hand 3600 at literally half the price...

sutyiI'm sitting on a 1600AE. I wanted to jump to a 5600X, but at 299USD... nah.
At 269USD MSRP would've been a maybe. 50 bucks plus on the "lower end" is too much.
They probably want to shift ZEN2 stock, but those are already on major discounts and get even cheaper, making a 299USD R5 part look just silly.

At this rate I'll probably pick up a 3700X on discount as it will end up quite a bit cheaper than 5600X launch pricing or just get a couple months old second hand 3600 at literally half the price...

Wait for reviews if you can. The R5 5600X will be faster from all ZEN2 on gaming and maybe equal or better from R7 3700X at multi.

NihilusWhere?? Link please

Sorry, 240€. I saw slightly lower price somewhere a couple days ago.
US guys commented it was selling for even less but I did not pay much attention, where.

10600K at 240€:
www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-10600K-6x-4-10GHz-So-1200-WOF_1362362.html
10600KF at 230€:
www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-10600KF-6x-4-10GHz-So-1200-Tray_1368137.html

NO! 20g price increase is totally unacceptable! AMD is the new Intel!

Seriously, the amount of BS seen because 5600X price, a CPU which haven't been benchmarked independently, is remarkable...

All based on vague AMD-supplied tests and preliminary pricing - how often did CPU/GPU/anything changed in the first weeks?

3600X was never the most popular 6-core Zen2 CPU, and there is no less than FOUR 6-cores in the lineup - somewhere after launch, there was a bunch of testing between 3600 and 3500(X) - ok, we know how it ended, but competition is fierce in that particular price range.

And what is actual proof that 5600X is NOT equal or faster than Intel 10XXX, which is live and benchmarked a bunch of times, while we have just selective data from AMD about 5600X.

It's fully possible that 5600X is the same or better than Intel 8-core counterpart. It's fully possible that price will be reduced, if needed. It's fully possible that 5600X is crappy buy and nobody will want it. There's like zero argument for each of this claims...

In the meantime, I raise my fist to heaven and shout loudly that 220g for 5600 non-X is insanely high... :)

vote for no. i will upgrade when new generation 8 core 16 thread CPU reach $200 mark.

As 1700X user since launch, I want 5700X with 65-95W TDP...

im thinking about actually plonking down the 550 dollars for a 5900x.....but considering I have not upgraded in forever, I think it will be fine

Hyderz@ $220 the 5600 will sell like hot cakes if perf increases 15% overall from 3600

i can see the guys on 1600 or 2600 will make the jump.

Performance increase will be higher than that. Gaming perf from 3600 to 5600 will be +25%. Applications will be boosted by around that figure too.

Zach_01Wait for reviews if you can. The R5 5600X will be faster from all ZEN2 on gaming and maybe equal or better from R7 3700X at multi.

I know it will be faster on gaming compared to ZEN2 and about wash in MT.

Problem is when I can grab a 5-6 month old second hand R7 3700X for 200-200EUR here in Hungary right now (probably even new after 5000 series launch), then the R5 5600X that will probably land around the 289-299EUR mark becomes increasingly less and less attractive as a new purchase. That 50USD/EUR bump AMD had done on the 5600X vs. previous generation means that it will be effectively 30-50% more expensive vs. a 3700X and about 80-100% more expensive vs. a 3600 nonX... and thats terrible.

If it were to launch around 249-259EUR in Europe (doubt it) I could still consider it as an alternative, since you can say that it is brand new stuff.

sutyiI know it will be faster on gaming compared to ZEN2 and about wash in MT.

Problem is when I can grab a 5-6 month old second hand R7 3700X for 200-200EUR here in Hungary right now (probably even new after 5000 series launch), then the R5 5600X that will probably land around the 289-299EUR mark becomes increasingly less and less attractive as a new purchase. That 50USD/EUR bump AMD had done on the 5600X vs. previous generation means that it will be effectively 30-50% more expensive vs. a 3700X and about 80-100% more expensive vs. a 3600 nonX... and thats terrible.

If it were to launch around 249-259EUR in Europe (doubt it) I could still consider it as an alternative, since you can say that it is brand new stuff.

I'm expecting to arrive in my country around 320~330€ at best in first days. When I got the 3600 I have, a month after launch it was for 220€ with MSRP 199$. We have a +24% VAT over US MSRP here.

Yeah, if you can find 2nd hand CPUs then things change. But still wait for reviews, plus... used prices may drop further.

Intel mobo non z you can't OC with the non K cpus

Hyderz@ $220 the 5600 will sell like hot cakes if perf increases 15% overall from 3600

i can see the guys on 1600 or 2600 will make the jump.

Only if they have the money to make the jump. If you look at the price pattern it can be telling what AMD is doing. I think the performance will be overall 10% as it's base with certain programs reaching higher in performance.

There are too many AMD people who have drank the cool aid to think they are going continue to give you the best bang for the buck as previous generations. Because of their stock performance they no longer have too.

They no longer have to give the customer base superior performance for price, but instead is following Intel's business Tick Tock performance increases.

When there is no real competition, performance stagnates and price increases.

lynx29I don't understand the secrecy of all this bs... they should have just told us on reveal day and said a 5600 will be here in early 2021. the other 3 chips will still be sold out of months regardless of them telling us that. pandemic has increased this niche hobby consumer base tenfold. we will be lucky to get any chip until early 2021.

For me AMD is using the traditional way of releasing their CPUs. I agree though in this pandemic economy they shoulld have released the "budget" chips first.

renz496vote for no. i will upgrade when new generation 8 core 16 thread CPU reach $200 mark.

Good luck the current 3000 series 8 core chips have not really fallen like the 1st and 2nd gen chips.

lynx29I don't understand the secrecy of all this bs... they should have just told us on reveal day and said a 5600 will be here in early 2021. the other 3 chips will still be sold out of months regardless of them telling us that. pandemic has increased this niche hobby consumer base tenfold. we will be lucky to get any chip until early 2021.

What secrecy, did you think there would only be 4 sku's? Is nvidia being all secret and shady because they haven't announced a 3060 or other lower end cards?

londiste10600K sells for ~230 right now. 5600 needs to beat that.
Early 2021 means it needs to contend with whatever Rocket Lake is going to bring to the table.

Rocket Lake may not launch until the end of the first quarter.

Are people complaining about pricing forgetting that when the 8 core 1800x launched it was $500? Now, the 5800x, with 8 cores, but probably 40%+ faster is $50 cheaper at $450....so, since the first generation its become $50 cheaper while seeing massive performance gains... What's there to complain about?

I'm not a rich person (and I'm not one of those rich people who just says they're not rich either), I'm working class (not middle class), and I want to upgrade my 2700x and X470 board just as much as everyone else, but I truly see absolutely nothing wrong with AMD raising the prices by $50. To me, that seems perfectly reasonable considering the 5000 series should be the best CPUs on the market in every single metric. And if that's too much, buy Ryzen 3000/Zen2, which should have even further discounts. At a certain point it starts to seem like certain people want it both ways, they want AMD to have the best performance while remaining the value brand, and it'll never be that way.

Currently, as in right now, on Newegg the cheapest price for a 10900k is $600. So, if the 5800x is going to be better than the 10900k in gaming as well as multithreaded as speculated, how is $450 asking to much?

lynx29I don't understand the secrecy of all this bs... they should have just told us on reveal day and said a 5600 will be here in early 2021. the other 3 chips will still be sold out of months regardless of them telling us that. pandemic has increased this niche hobby consumer base tenfold. we will be lucky to get any chip until early 2021.

Maybe it's to keep Intel guess what is actually going on, so it'l take longer for Intel to put some thing out as good or better.

Why feed your enemy info when they are not planning to release any thing soon ?.

ZoneDymoim thinking about actually plonking down the 550 dollars for a 5900x.....but considering I have not upgraded in forever, I think it will be fine

My 3900X has been awesome the 5900 is only going be even better :).

And there we have the drop-in replacement for anyone rocking a 2600 or 3600, provided your motherboard manufacturer doesn't screw up their BIOS rollouts.

This is going to be the budget gaming chip of choice for all of next year, unless Intel really pulls a rabbit out of the hat, or unless the leaked/claimed performance of Zen3 is all lies.