bonehead123sOOOOO....

Factory O/C your ram, throw it in a "special" prettied-up box, jack up the price by 2-3x, and call it a day :)

Great plan for boosting the bottom line, eh ?

AnarchoPrimitivThat's what they do.... I'm fine with 3200-3600mhz on my ryzen system anyway, haven't noticed a difference with my own senses between 3200 and 3600, so I don't really have a desire for anything faster.

How about those renoir APUs for memory overclock though? If AMD was able to apply that to Zen3, it's really going to be an amazing series.

ValantarWow, it would be amazing to see some iGPU gaming benchmarks with this kind of memory speed. I got a ~18% boost on my 4650G going from 1900MHz to 2100MHz on the iGPU and 3200C16 to 3800C16 (1900IF) RAM, and a lot of that increase came from the memory. Obviously not worth the price premium, but cool nonetheless.

Of course, DDR5 APUs are going to be great.

owen10578If it can get close to a GTX 1050 then the price premium might be justifiable in an ultra compact build like in an InWin Chopin.

tabascosauzWait hold on, a Hynix die running a 1.6V XMP profile??

Hynix must have come up with something new, because all the existing 8Gb and 16Gb Hynix dies will perish in the blink of an eye if you try to daily something north of 1.55V......not to mention heat at 1.6V is no joke.

Also, 64ns seems high and copy speeds low, but there's no way this overclock is stable, so wack and unpredictable AIDA numbers are nothing surprising.

Renoir will continue to be the DRAM and IF king until next gen APUs, so we're probably going to see more of these news.

ValantarI kind of doubt it'll get that high in real world gaming. Mind you, my 3DMark Night Raid (3DMark's newest iGPU-oriented DX12 benchmark) results are higher than the average 1050 (avg. 15900 vs. ~17500), but the situation reverses in Time Spy (avg. 1851 vs. ~1640). Fire Strike is much the same (avg. 5692 vs. ~4140). Now, typically we see differences like this explained as being due to memory bottlenecks, but there's also the question of how well each architecture is able to translate their theoretical compute performance into gaming performance, an area where Pascal beats Vega outright, and at least these canned benchmarks seem to indicate that the Pascal still wins out in more complex DX11 loads. DX12 (Time Spy) parity doesn't seem too far out of the question though, at least not with an overclocked Vega 8.

ValantarI kind of doubt it'll get that high in real world gaming. Mind you, my 3DMark Night Raid (3DMark's newest iGPU-oriented DX12 benchmark) results are higher than the average 1050 (avg. 15900 vs. ~17500), but the situation reverses in Time Spy (avg. 1851 vs. ~1640). Fire Strike is much the same (avg. 5692 vs. ~4140). Now, typically we see differences like this explained as being due to memory bottlenecks, but there's also the question of how well each architecture is able to translate their theoretical compute performance into gaming performance, an area where Pascal beats Vega outright, and at least these canned benchmarks seem to indicate that the Pascal still wins out in more complex DX11 loads. DX12 (Time Spy) parity doesn't seem too far out of the question though, at least not with an overclocked Vega 8.


Hey, is this a RAM kit where those heatspreaders actually have a function? Interesting!

owen10578You know your scores I would consider pretty close to a 1050 already lol I bet if you can run it with higher memory it would be even closer. That's an impressive performance out of an APU no matter how you look at it, I have a GT 1030 in a Dell 3020SFF overclocked to the max and it can only do 4000 ish on firestrike so your APU is already faster.

tabascosauzFrom whereabouts did you buy your 4650G? It's the very chip I'm interested in at the moment for memory OC, posted over in the Ryzen owners thread.

The only things stopping me right now from trading my 3700X for a 4650G after I get a Vermeer chip are the lack of warranty from AMD and the fact that the eBay sellers don't take returns.

ValantarYeah, it's really impressive, I'm very happy with it. I haven't had time to test it much (I've got a bit of an over-ambitious project with it, modifying an old Arctic Accelero S1 passive GPU cooler to act as a semi-passive CPU cooler for it (140mm fan that kicks in above 60°C), and fitting that into my Lazer3D HT5 case isn't exactly easy :p), but from what I've done so far it's an incredibly impressive APU. On an open bench with that cooler setup the fan kept fluctuating on and off every minute or so while playing Rocket League (1080p "quality", ~70fps), i.e. the APU was hovering around 60°C while under a relatively light CPU load but a 100% GPU load. No complaints.

ValantarI was holding out hoping there would be some APU news alongside the Zen 3 announcement, so when there wasn't I went and ordered the 4650G from hardwarestore2000 on Ebay. I don't plan to abuse it, and I've never had a CPU fail, so I'm not too concerned about the warranty in this case, but I didn't want to order off AliExpress or Taobao either. Given just how easily mine got my cheapo (E-die) Ballistix Sport LT 3200C16s to 3800C16 (with IF@1900) I understand why you would want one for memory OC. That IMC must be pretty amazing.

owen10578So seeing how you're running it semi-passive that means you're running it without an overclock? That makes the performance result even more impressive then. I think the Renoir APUs would be awesome for a passive ITX case design for sure. No need to cool a seperate GPU.

tabascosauzAch, that looks like a seller I would be happy to buy from. Unfortunately they have no listings. There's this guy selling a 4650G right now and that's about it:
www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-AMD-Ryzen-5-PRO-4650G-3-7GHz-6-Cores-CPU-AM4-Socket-Processor/154128302172?hash=item23e2c3405c:g:BoYAAOSwGL5ffxeo

The single rank Viper Steel sticks look like a great opportunity to shoot for 4000MT/s on Renoir.