RandallFlaggHere's the question that should be asked.

"How many (or which) major OEMs are going to carry your new laptop chips, and how many models will be shipping and when?"

Intel reported for Tiger Lake H - "Intel expects more than 40 laptops bearing these chips to launch in the first half of the year." per PC Mag.

AMD is very vague on this kind of thing so far.

Patriotzen 3 150 laptop design wins.

RandallFlaggSource? There are no Zen 3 desktops from any of the big 7 OEMs. Did she announce 150 laptops coming with the new Zen 3 today?

B-RealIf they wrote it in the graphs, probably you yourself can also check it. BTW, she said first laptops with Zen 3 CPUs are coming in February.

ShurikNWhat about Cheaper Zen 3 parts?
RX 6700?
This was underwhelming AF.

CobainNot gonna happen, only for OEM. Their priorities now are laptop market wich is growing bigger than desktop and they need to take that market from Intel too. Makes all Sense.

AMD priority is not launching a budget 6 core CPU right now.

B-RealIf they wrote it in the graphs, probably you yourself can also check it. BTW, she said first laptops with Zen 3 CPUs are coming in February.

RandallFlaggSource? There are no Zen 3 desktops from any of the big 7 OEMs. Did she announce 150 laptops coming with the new Zen 3 today?

TheinsanegamerNVery underwhelming. Not even a sneak peek at the specs for the 6700 series. with a 1h timeframe, we likely wont see these cards until early summer at the earliest. I wonder if they have to have a rethink after the 3060ti came out, if the rumors of the 6700xt being just a 5700xt with RT were true, AMD would have been in a bad spot with such a card. No news on cheaper 5600/5700 CPUs, or the 5000 series desktop APUs. AMD has completely forgotten about the budget marketnow that they have better IPC then intel.

RandallFlaggLaptop is the jugular in this market, desktop just isn't that big anymore. That is why Ice Lake and Tiger Lake is where 10nm went first for Intel, and why we are getting Tiger Lake H mobile before we see Rocket Lake. Desktop chips now have more effect on PR / Marketing than they do on the real financial bottom line.

The real question is if AMD can actually get TSMC to produce their chips in any volume given their other obligations. I (obviously) don't think they can, I think they'll have TSMC making XBox and PS 5 chips Q1 again.

Kind of a bad move, AMD probably should have had Samsung lined up for some of their business. I think there will be a lot of really PO'd AMD users if Rocket Lake and Tiger Lake H hit the markets in volume and AMD is still doing presentations.

We'll see in a couple of months.

TheinsanegamerNWe've heard this excuse before, yet it was the desktop, not the laptop, market that saved AMD with zen. To this day it's desktop that makes up the vast majority of Zen consumer sales. And gaming desktops have seen major growth the lastfew years, with AMD spearheading said growth. Seems pretty stupid to ignore that market. AMD still isnt putting the work into making ready to go platforms for their mobile chips, I find it very unlikely that ryzen 5000 mobile will be any more succesful then ryzen 4000 mobile was, especially when many of the chips are ryzen 4000 with a 5 in them.

TheinsanegamerNIntel's 10nm is mobile only because it doesnt scale up to desktop levels well at ALL. It cant manage higher clock rates without slurping power and cant even manage 6 core chips, let alone 8 or 10 core. Their quad core 10nm chips had horrendous yeilds.

RandallFlaggI actually agree with most of that. AMD is clearly trying to move beyond their current user / fan base in mobile. That said desktop is shrinking so medium and long term it would not be wise to put all their eggs in that basket.



That's hyperbolic, there's no evidence that 10nm yields are still low and in fact quite the opposite. Tiger Lake and even Ice Lake laptops are everywhere. I bet there are more 10nm laptops sold at this point than all 7nm AMD chips combined.

There's also no evidence - and plenty of contradictory evidence - that TGL scales up on both power and clocks. Intel simply hit the biggest market first, which is low power thin and light ultrabook class laptops. Talk of low yields on 10nm at this point just looks like wishful thinking on the part of AMD fans IMO.

PatriotThe fact they cannot make more than a 4c 10nm part... cements the yield issues.

PatriotThe part that icelake has slipped again... it was "shipped" last year, but is only now production?

PatriotThey started with a China only chip 2c4t with disabled igp and now on the 2nd or third revision have gotten up to 4 cores... and more power draw than competing 8 cores in efforts to compete in the single threaded realm.

PatriotTGL isn't bad, its quite nice for light low threaded workloads, but it does speak to the state of intels 10nm process.

john_You know that you don't have enough to show and announce, when you are forced to include Lewis Hamilton as one of your guests. While I like him as a driver, he is not someone who should be a guess in a CES announcement. If we can call announcement a preview of products that bring nothing new on the table, just expand the already known base of products.

TheinsanegamerNIntel's 10nm is mobile only because it doesnt scale up to desktop levels well at ALL. It cant manage higher clock rates without slurping power and cant even manage 6 core chips, let alone 8 or 10 core. Their quad core 10nm chips had horrendous yeilds.

john_You know that you don't have enough to show and announce, when you are forced to include Lewis Hamilton as one of your guests. While I like him as a driver, he is not someone who should be a guess in a CES announcement. If we can call announcement a preview of products that bring nothing new on the table, just expand the already known base of products.

RandallFlaggI don't need to prove your statements, you do.

Bloomberg has the entire text of their presentation and they stated nothing about design wins.