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Apple Mac Pro 2022 Rumored to Feature Custom 64-Core Processor & Sell For 19,000 USD

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Apple relaunched the Mac Pro in 2019 with a return to the original tower form factor and packing 24-core Intel Xeon-W processors paired with AMD Radeon Pro Vega GPUs. Apple is reportedly planning to release a fourth-generation Mac Pro in 2022 with the most powerful Apple silicon yet. The 2022 Mac Pro will be available in three base configurations with 32, 48, and 64 core versions featuring new processors developed by Apple with similar performance and power-efficient core designs as found in the Apple M1.

The entry-level 32 core model will include 24 high-performance cores, 32 GPU cores, 64 GB ram, and will start at 5,499 USD. The mid-range 48 core model will include 36 high-performance cores, 64 GPU cores, 256 GB ram, and will start at 11,999 USD. The highest-end 64 core model will include 48 high-performance cores, 128 GPU cores, 512 GB ram, and will start at 18,999 USD. Storage options will vary from 512 GB to 8 TB of SSD storage as is currently available. These machines are shaping up to be some of the most powerful prosumer computers available if these rumors are true.
Source: @LeaksApplePro

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57 Comments on Apple Mac Pro 2022 Rumored to Feature Custom 64-Core Processor & Sell For 19,000 USD

#1
Ruru
S.T.A.R.S.
The entry-level 32 core model
That made me laugh, as it's a "cheap" one.. They should revive G5 Powermac aesthetics as that looked great... the best looking Mac ever.
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#2
sam_86314
Chloe PriceThat made me laugh, as it's a "cheap" one.. They should revive G5 Powermac aesthetics as that looked great... the best looking Mac ever.
Agreed. Love or hate Apple, many of their old designs are truly timeless.



I'd love to build a modern system into a modded G5 or cMP case. Actually sold a G5 to a friend a few years back who wanted to do just that.
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#3
Hardcore Games
512GB of RAM seems a tad excessive to play Halo

overkill like shooting somebody who is already down over and over
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#4
Operandi
sam_86314Agreed. Love or hate Apple, many of their old designs are truly timeless.



I'd love to build a modern system into a modded G5 or cMP case. Actually sold a G5 to a friend a few years back who wanted to do just that.
Lian Li used to make tons of cases in the design esthetic perfected by the G5. I don't think they ever really sold that great due to the price and then around 2016 everyone lost their minds and started building cases out of transparent glass panels and put a shit load of LEDs inside cause that blends fits in perfect with the rest of the stuff I own in my house....

The last ATX case that was actually good looking from Lian Li was V720, I think there was mATX and ITX versions also. It looks pretty classy but I never got to try it so I'm not sure how it performs.
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#5
Ruru
S.T.A.R.S.
sam_86314Agreed. Love or hate Apple, many of their old designs are truly timeless.



I'd love to build a modern system into a modded G5 or cMP case. Actually sold a G5 to a friend a few years back who wanted to do just that.
Personally not an Apple hater anymore (hey I use iPhone! :D), I fucking love that G5 design. Nothing has even come close to that cool design ever.
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#6
Gmr_Chick
sam_86314Agreed. Love or hate Apple, many of their old designs are truly timeless.



I'd love to build a modern system into a modded G5 or cMP case. Actually sold a G5 to a friend a few years back who wanted to do just that.
Not going to lie, it's a slick looking chassis for sure. Would have been damn near perfect for my Captain Phasma themed rig. Sadly, it looks like it would have required some big time modding skills, something I don't have lol.
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#7
ratirt
$19000. :/ Apple is going balls out with their design and the fact they still want to be considered premium product. Price for this is crazy to be honest.
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#8
john_
.............The highest-end 64 core model will include 48 high-performance cores, 128 GPU cores, 512 GB ram, and will start at 18,999 USD. Storage options will vary from 512 GB to 8 TB of SSD storage as is currently available..........
....and almost everyone is talking about the case!!! :laugh::p

Well, Apple Mac Pro is what we are expecting, so to see what Apple has really managed to do with M1. This will be extremely interesting in direct comparison with EPYC and XEON, both in application performance as much as in power consumption and efficiency when under full load. At idle will be great thanks to those little cores.
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#9
voltage
gotta up those core counts to keep up with newest x86 performance.
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#10
Voultapher
I'm curious to see what that interconnect is gonna look like. Also surely they won't put that 128 Core GPU on the same SoC, otherwise that's going to be a ridiculously large SoC, the M1 has a die area of 119 mm² en.wikichip.org/wiki/apple/mx/m1 with 8 perf cores and 8 GPU cores. With the GPU already taking a large part of the chip www.techpowerup.com/img/p9g5vqdBAoGb0wIc.jpg we need 8 times more perf cores and 16 times more GPU cores, let's say this only takes 12 times more die area, that would be a die area of 1428 mm². For reference that's more than double the 628 mm² of the RTX 3090.
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#11
Gungar
ratirt$19000. :/ Apple is going balls out with their design and the fact they still want to be considered premium product. Price for this is crazy to be honest.
And it's 19k for a computer with ARM cpu that's the worst part...
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#12
john_
VoultapherI'm curious to see what that interconnect is gonna look like. Also surely they won't put that 128 Core GPU on the same SoC, otherwise that's going to be a ridiculously large SoC, the M1 has a die area of 119 mm² en.wikichip.org/wiki/apple/mx/m1 with 8 perf cores and 8 GPU cores. With the GPU already taking a large part of the chip www.techpowerup.com/img/p9g5vqdBAoGb0wIc.jpg we need 8 times more perf cores and 16 times more GPU cores, let's say this only takes 12 times more die area, that would be a die area of 1428 mm². For reference that's more than double the 628 mm² of the RTX 3090.
About half of M1 is GPU and CPU cores, plus CPU and system cache and the NPU. That's, let's say, 60mm. So, that 12 times, should be 12 times 60, that translates to 720mm. And if that 60mm is even lower considering that Apple probably doesn't need to put 12 NPUs and 12 times the system cache, I would say that you have a huge SOC that is about the size of that 628mm GPU, but not at 8nm, but at 5nm, making it an even larger monster than Nvidia's GPU. The rest of the parts of the SOC probably doesn't need to be multiple times, so maybe an extra 60-100mm. This could be a 650-700mm chip at worst case scenario.
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#13
lexluthermiester
sam_86314Agreed. Love or hate Apple, many of their old designs are truly timeless.



I'd love to build a modern system into a modded G5 or cMP case. Actually sold a G5 to a friend a few years back who wanted to do just that.
This was actually a very stylish design.

The cheese grater design shown in the article above however is not.
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#14
Sykobee
This sounds like an MCM, with the number of dies matching the different specifications here. Looking at the specifications I am going to suggest a 16 core chiplet (12 big cores, 4 small cores) in 2,3 and 4 chiplet configurations.

This also matches the M1X/M2 rumours of 12 big cores, could be a derivative.

I don't understand the GPU cores and their scaling, unless they're separate dies as well, otherwise you're getting a distributed GPU mixing up the CPU and GPU and other functions, although I guess Metal could abstract some of this multi-GPU design's difficulties away. I hope this is a separate package with its own memory. And I hope standard PCIe graphics cards will also be usable.
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#15
Lycanwolfen
Hmmm buy a used car or buy an apple mac pro. Or better yet a down payment on a house.
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#16
Unregistered
sam_86314Agreed. Love or hate Apple, many of their old designs are truly timeless.



I'd love to build a modern system into a modded G5 or cMP case. Actually sold a G5 to a friend a few years back who wanted to do just that.
Yeha, that's the only thing they have going for them. Designs. Nothing else. Lmfao.
#17
Vya Domus
The 2 core cluster from A14 is about 1.2 billion in transistors. A 64 core cluster would be at the very least 40 billion transistors but that's based on A14, M1 has even more L2 and system cache, so realistically just the CPU cluster alone would be roughly over 50 billion transistors. Just to put things into perspective A100 is 54 billion and 400W, on 7nm obviously, but still power wise 5nm doesn't make things that much better and proof of that is the fact that A14 has almost no efficiency gain over A13.

Suffice to say I am skeptical about any of this being realized, I highly suspect only half of the cores are gonna be of the "big" kind. And that means they'll still trail behind comparable x86 CPUs.
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#19
TechLurker
Speaking of old Apple products, I miss when they were also aiming at the younger generation with the wildly colored and styled G3s that were price competitive with similar offerings from rivals. Granted, I'm bored of seeing Apple shifting to a literal sterile silver/chrome and white future you see in various "Utopian future" settings, and it'd be pretty neat to see Apple go a bit wild again. Moreso now that their products are a lot more scalable than before, so they could surely target the budget conscious with some lower performance but wildly colored designs.
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#20
JMccovery
OperandiLian Li used to make tons of cases in the design esthetic perfected by the G5. I don't think they ever really sold that great due to the price and then around 2016 everyone lost their minds and started building cases out of transparent glass panels and put a shit load of LEDs inside cause that blends fits in perfect with the rest of the stuff I own in my house....

The last ATX case that was actually good looking from Lian Li was V720, I think there was mATX and ITX versions also. It looks pretty classy but I never got to try it so I'm not sure how it performs.
I'd love to see a modern version of the V-series chassis based on the O11 models, with full inversion support, and maybe a configurable back panel similar to the O11 Mini.

V1000 = O11 Mini
V2000 = O11 Dynamic
V3000 = Slightly taller and deeper version of O11XL
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#22
windwhirl
lexluthermiesterThis was actually a very stylish design.

The cheese grater design shown above however is not.
Honestly, they look almost the same to me.
Vya DomusSuffice to say I am skeptical about any of this being realized, I highly suspect only half of the cores are gonna be of the "big" kind. And that means they'll still trail behind comparable x86 CPUs.
I imagine Apple is gonna do the same thing as with the M1, energy-efficient cores for idling and non-intensive tasks, high-performance cores for most other tasks and accelerators for some stuff that pros could probably appreciate if done right (video encoding/decoding, for starters), and others that are more general use (cryptography acceleration or whatever). I think Apple is mitigating ARM's lower general performance by moving the processing of certain elements from the ARM cores to accelerators, leaving more CPU time for demanding tasks.
TechLurkerSpeaking of old Apple products, I miss when they were also aiming at the younger generation with the wildly colored and styled G3s that were price competitive with similar offerings from rivals. Granted, I'm bored of seeing Apple shifting to a literal sterile silver/chrome and white future you see in various "Utopian future" settings, and it'd be pretty neat to see Apple go a bit wild again. Moreso now that their products are a lot more scalable than before, so they could surely target the budget conscious with some lower performance but wildly colored designs.
I'd like to see transparent colored plastics again.
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#23
Operandi
JMccoveryI'd love to see a modern version of the V-series chassis based on the O11 models, with full inversion support, and maybe a configurable back panel similar to the O11 Mini.

V1000 = O11 Mini
V2000 = O11 Dynamic
V3000 = Slightly taller and deeper version of O11XL
The V7200 is pretty modern; within 4-5 years at least and I know it has USB C and good air flow.

I might try to find the mATX version on eBay and keep it around for my next build since everything on the market that isn't iTX is pretty hideous. Hopefully Lian Li starts making some new all AL designs again soon.
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#24
pjl321
I wasn't far off 3 months ago was I:

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#25
Wirko
TechLurkerSpeaking of old Apple products, I miss when they were also aiming at the younger generation with the wildly colored and styled G3s that were price competitive with similar offerings from rivals. Granted, I'm bored of seeing Apple shifting to a literal sterile silver/chrome and white future you see in various "Utopian future" settings, and it'd be pretty neat to see Apple go a bit wild again. Moreso now that their products are a lot more scalable than before, so they could surely target the budget conscious with some lower performance but wildly colored designs.
While you can't have that now, the next best thing is to buy a Mac Pro and tile the side panels with used iPhones 5c.
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