Wednesday, April 14th 2021
Rumor: AMD Ryzen 7000 (Raphael) to Introduce Integrated GPU in Full Processor Lineup
The rumor mill keeps crushing away; in this case, regarding AMD's plans for their next-generation Zen designs. Various users have shared pieces of the same AMD roadmap, which apparently places AMD in an APU-focused landscape come their Ryzen 7000 series. we are currently on AMD's Ryzen 5000-series; Ryzen 6000 is supposed to materialize via a Zen 3+ design, with improved performance per watt obtained from improvements to its current Zen 3 family. However, Ryzen 7000-series is expected to debut on AMD's next-gen platform (let's call it AM5), which is also expected to introduce DDR5 support for AMD's mainstream computing platform. And now, the leaked, alleged roadmaps paint a Zen 4 + Navi 2 APU series in the works for AMD's Zen 4 debut with Raphael - roadmapped for manufacturing at the 5 nm process.
The inclusion of an iGPU chip with AMD's mainstream processors may signal a move by AMD to produce chiplets for all of its products, and then integrating them in the final product. You just have to think about it in the sense that AMD could "easily" pair one of the eight-core chiplets from the current Ryzen 5800X, for example, with an I/O die (which would likely still be fabricated with Global Foundries) an an additional Navi 2 GPU chiplet. It makes sense for AMD to start fabricating GPUs as chiplets as well - AMD's research on MCM (Multi-Chip Module) GPUs is pretty well-known at this point, and is a given for future development. It means that AMD needed only to develop one CPU chiplet and one GPU chiplet which they can then scale on-package by adding in more of the svelte pieces of silicon - something that Intel still doesn't do, and which results in the company's monolithic dies.
That this APU integration occurs throughout the whole of AMD's lineup makes sense. For one, the integrated GPU can be used to further accelerate certain tasks on your PC. Add to that the increased reputation that AMD has garnered via its generations of Zen, and you'll see how manufacturers (OEMs especially) might now be looking amenably at integrating AMD solutions into their mainstream, high-volume manufacturing products. The full APU road also makes sense in the AM5 platform - access to DDR5 might improve performance of the integrated GPU chiplets, and it makes sense that the new chiplet pairing requires a new platform and pin layout to make work.
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The inclusion of an iGPU chip with AMD's mainstream processors may signal a move by AMD to produce chiplets for all of its products, and then integrating them in the final product. You just have to think about it in the sense that AMD could "easily" pair one of the eight-core chiplets from the current Ryzen 5800X, for example, with an I/O die (which would likely still be fabricated with Global Foundries) an an additional Navi 2 GPU chiplet. It makes sense for AMD to start fabricating GPUs as chiplets as well - AMD's research on MCM (Multi-Chip Module) GPUs is pretty well-known at this point, and is a given for future development. It means that AMD needed only to develop one CPU chiplet and one GPU chiplet which they can then scale on-package by adding in more of the svelte pieces of silicon - something that Intel still doesn't do, and which results in the company's monolithic dies.
42 Comments on Rumor: AMD Ryzen 7000 (Raphael) to Introduce Integrated GPU in Full Processor Lineup
As we don't have AMD's pin-outs, it's impossible to make any kind of assumptions.
As for video playback, try H.265 or AV1 and you'll see that software decoding is madness.
Is this^?
In fact, Intel used to sell a separate FPU for their 386SX CPUs that fitted in a special FPU socket.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X87#80387
Looking at that, it would seem they'd made them a lot longer than that, so we're talking late 70's.
Apparently AMD made the first FPUs for Intel as early as 1977...
Troubleshoot/Reflash a bricked dGPU BIOS/Temporary solution because dGPUs can't be bought at the moment.
I get your argument for enterprise though, I"m just worried that AMD will follow intel's lead and release only a single SKU for both sectors so enterprise gets their iGPUs for spreadsheets while enthusiasts and gamers get a useless section of silicon they don't care for or need.
One of the curse of current chips is the vast amount of silicon that are barely or never use. Adding a backup GPU that is just barely good enough won't help. Better add something that people could actually use or don't have it at all. With Intel, quicksync still useful. On AMD, there is no such thing yet.
We will see. Even if AMD is leading currently on the hardware front or on par, they still have so much catch up to do on the software side.
In that case, you are likely to be correct. It might be indicating that AMD hasn't yet confirmed their decision of whether they want to include Navi2 in Raphael or not.
I would assume it's going to be some cut down thing that will be equivalent to what Intel has. I can't see them slapping on an integrated gpu with 10+ CU.
It would be nice though if they do have a little gpu built in as back up for times like these with the ridiculous dedicated gpu market.
However, I would also hope for a really good APU line, meaning I would take 4 fast cores with at least 16CU over an 8 core with 4CUs, or an 8 core with 20CU
What I really meant is: the suggestion by @mtcn77 to put the "fpu" on a separate chiplet makes sense if fpu stands for ML accelerator, which executes its own code, independent from CPU's code. FP instructions (scalar, vector, AVX), which are found in the same execution stream as CPU's code (integer, conditions, loops) have no chance of successful acceleration by a separate chiplet. Data transfer and synchronisation would eat away any advantages of fast calculation - which is exactly what made the original 8087 very inefficient.
It's a long needed change and a continued step in the right direction. Simplifying your product stack is the only way to stay ahead in such a saturated market.