Good news. I'm guessing these should land in the same price bracket as Seasonic Focus GX series or slightly below due to the lower warranty.

If these are like the Platinum series with slight modifications then these should be recommendable. Waiting for reviews tho.

I wonder who is the OEM.

watzupkenI wonder who is the OEM.

It might be HighPower or it might be Seasonic since those two are the ones that makes the rest of the Ion units
The ATX units are made by HighPower and the SFX-L units are made by Seasonic

i hope the Ion Gold is not another Foucs rebrand there is already a ton of those like the Phanteks Amp the Asus Strix the NZXT C and the Antec High Current Gamer Gold

It's a Sirtec with Teapos thrown across the secondary:

www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/fractal-ion-gold-850w-psu-review/4/

X71200It's a Sirtec with Teapos thrown across the secondary:

www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/fractal-ion-gold-850w-psu-review/4/

Good work.
Next question - how good are Sirtec? It's not a brand I'm familiar with (though given how much re-sale and obfuscation there is in the PSU industry, I've probably/possibly used some already without knowing it).

They're OK, they've grown up from some meh PSUs to decent. I had an original 620W PSU from them ages ago, it couldn't run Crossfire but I can't put the blame on that as it was being pushed to its higher echelons. Other than that it was a decent unit.

I'd pick Super Flower over these tbh.

Last Fractal Design PSU I tried (ION+ 860P) performed well but made some awful noises, even the replacement. My Seasonic doesn't make such noises. It also for some bizzare reason tripped the circuit breaker for my room only.

Hopefully this one fares better.

Sirtec and HighPower is the same company its just two different names
As for HighPower they can be good but can also be awful it depends on the platform and what the company in this case Fractal want to pay for

Edit: just finished reading the Kitguru review and its not bad at all so if the price is right its not a bad option

Chrispy_Good work.
Next question - how good are Sirtec? It's not a brand I'm familiar with (though given how much re-sale and obfuscation there is in the PSU industry, I've probably/possibly used some already without knowing it).

They definitely can produce quality units, this one judging from the review is a step down quality wise from SS Focus due to component selection (but not low enough to cause actual safety concern), so it should be viable choice if appropriately cheaper.

Chrispy_Next question - how good are Sirtec?

They do have pretty decent stuff, besides the ION+ Platinum you'll find their platforms in some Thermaltake, Silverstone and Chieftec PSUs. There are some problematic units but since they're mostly from Thermaltake i'd imagine this is just the result of Thermaltake not caring about their products quality much (i.e lack of proper QC). They're not on the same level as CWT, GW, Super Flower and Seasonic but personally i'd pick them over say, Andyson any time.

If the OEM is Sirtec, dont expect anymore more than average. Unless the (insert brand) specs in the high quality parts, Sirtec will default to mediocre/inferior quality parts. Other OEMs like Seasonic start out with a higher quality base.

DeathtoGnomesIf the OEM is Sirtec, dont expect anymore more than average. Unless the (insert brand) specs in the high quality parts, Sirtec will default to mediocre/inferior quality parts. Other OEMs like Seasonic start out with a higher quality base.

Well one would hope. I just shipped back a seasonic gold focus 550w. Lasted 1 week then blew the fuse on my tripplite isobar. I thought it was something else cause why would a high quality psu fail in a week right? Plugged it into the wall socket and seen a spark. It tripped the breaker on the panel. So out it came and back to Newegg for a refund.

DeathtoGnomesIf the OEM is Sirtec, dont expect anymore more than average. Unless the (insert brand) specs in the high quality parts, Sirtec will default to mediocre/inferior quality parts. Other OEMs like Seasonic start out with a higher quality base.

I'm curious what parts are you talking about.

juularI'm curious what parts are you talking about.

LOL... are you for real? What parts do you think are used to make a PSU?

mechtechWell one would hope. I just shipped back a seasonic gold focus 550w. Lasted 1 week then blew the fuse on my tripplite isobar. I thought it was something else cause why would a high quality psu fail in a week right? Plugged it into the wall socket and seen a spark. It tripped the breaker on the panel. So out it came and back to Newegg for a refund.

there is always the 1% of whats shipped that seems meant fail. The way Seasonic is talked about around here, this is blasphemy. :rolleyes:

DeathtoGnomesLOL... are you for real? What parts do you think are used to make a PSU?

No, i'm completely serious, pick a PSU made by High Power (something relatively modern please), and tell me what parts are not high quality, or rather what parts are worse than in Seasonic PSU of comparable price range. Just assume that i know nothing and want to learn from your wisdom.

Well for starters it uses those Teapo caps which age considerably worse than Japanese formula capacitors. Then you have the soldering, fit / finish or the other components such as fan or the heatsinks on the rectifiers, etc. It's just not Seasonic good.

juularNo, i'm completely serious, pick a PSU made by High Power (something relatively modern please), and tell me what parts are not high quality, or rather what parts are worse than in Seasonic PSU of comparable price range. Just assume that i know nothing and want to learn from your wisdom.

That's impossible unless you're working in the industry. I assume he meant "inferior" as in "not suitable for a really high end platinum unit with a decade long warranty", which IMO doesn't qualify as inferior at all. It depends on what performance is targeted and how much it will retail for.

juularNo, i'm completely serious, pick a PSU made by High Power (something relatively modern please), and tell me what parts are not high quality, or rather what parts are worse than in Seasonic PSU of comparable price range. Just assume that i know nothing and want to learn from your wisdom.

You flatter me, but you're barking up the wrong tree. I am not a spec hound, I learned just enough to tell what brands are good or bad, and a few specs that matter. So here, let me show you the starting line: If you truly want to learn the difference, start by reading PSU reviews, ones where they actually tear them apart and tell about the specs of each component. There is thousands of hours of video to see as well. JohnnyGuru.com was where it all started with me.

Some may recall that gold colored capacitors used to be a thing, until crappier manufacturers started copying.

FrickThat's impossible unless you're working in the industry. I assume he meant "inferior" as in "not suitable for a really high end platinum unit with a decade long warranty", which IMO doesn't qualify as inferior at all. It depends on what performance is targeted and how much it will retail for.

inferior, as in inferior materials that just dont stand up to time.

( I have built my own PSU for my radio because I was studying to earn the General Class ham license a minute or two ago. )

DeathtoGnomesinferior, as in inferior materials that just dont stand up to time.

( I have built my own PSU for my radio because I was studying to earn the General Class ham license a minute or two ago. )

It's still a matter of cost and what it is supposed to be.

I've also built PSU's. I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove.

FrickI've also built PSU's. I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove.

nothing if you didnt learn anything by it.

DeathtoGnomesnothing if you didnt learn anything by it.

I did. But ... I'm not sure what your point is.

X71200Well for starters it uses those Teapo caps which age considerably worse than Japanese formula capacitors.

Seasonic doesn't use exclusively Japanese capacitors either, not that it matters as long they're fit for the job. And For the reference, Corsair RM 2019 uses Su'scon and Elite capacitors, yet they offer full 10 years warranty on it because Jon Gerow knows his stuff. The importance of 'Japanese' capacitors is overstated today, some Japanese branded capacitors are made on the same factories as Taiwanese and Chinese ones. Like yeah, all Japanese capacitors are good as long as they're of appropriate use-case and specs but there are Taiwanese and Chinese branded caps that are just as good. Besides, i wasn't talking about capacitors only, or rather not at all, but okay, that was rather rhetorical question.

X71200Then you have the soldering

Nothing wrong with their soldering.

X71200fan

Or fans. Speaking of which, Seasonic for some reason uses Hong Hua rifle-bearing fans on their entire high-end lineup, with random selection of driver ICs at that it seems (because there are reports of motor noise from some percent of users while others don't hear a thing). How does that speak for the 'Seasonic always uses best quality components' sentiment exactly ?

DeathtoGnomesYou flatter me, but you're barking up the wrong tree. I am not a spec hound, I learned just enough to tell what brands are good or bad, and a few specs that matter.

So really, there's nothing you can base your claims on ? Just a bunch of marketing videos from folks on YT ?

X71200Well for starters it uses those Teapo caps which age considerably worse than Japanese formula capacitors. Then you have the soldering, fit / finish or the other components such as fan or the heatsinks on the rectifiers, etc. It's just not Seasonic good.

Where all that 'Seasonic is the best' started from ? I just can't wrap my head about it, they're just another OEM, using the same components as everyone else as long as their customer doesn't require lower quality components specifically to drive down costs. Which they're perfectly fine with doing themselves, remember Seasonic S12III ? Now wait for reviews of Seasonic B12 BC / G12 GC, because they're essentially 1st Player Armour PSUs with Seasonic label on it, i hope there will be reviews at least, but i pretty sure there wouldn't, because Seasonic doesn't want that 'Seasonic is the best' image they were constructing by sponsoring YT tech channels for a decade. There is also a Seasonic Core series with very few good enough reviews to date, and none from Aris, i wonder why, because they didn't send any review samples ?
Now, it may look like i'm just shittong Seasonic but i'm not. It's an OEM job's to tweak the product for customer's specifications, and in this regard Seasonic is no different to other OEMs like High Power, CWT, Great Wall, Enhance, HEC, FSP and Andyson, they all have very good units on their hands, and mediocre too, and bad ones. It's just that Seasonic is quite small compared to most other OEMs and do not have resources to engineer or customize PSUs at such degree as say, CWT, Great Wall or even High Power, not that they want too it seems, they're perfectly fine with only selling their platforms under their own brand and very reluctant to customize them for other brands, the only examples are NZXT E (NZXT were very insisting it seems) and Corsair AX (and Jon doesn't say any good things about his experience of working with Seasonic at all). So on average it may seem like other OEMs have products of lesser quality, but that's just because they just satisfy their customer demands by having a vast spectre of products.
What i'm saying, judging a PSU just by it's OEM or brand or even whether it packs only Japanese capacitors or not is completely wrong. You should look at each specific PSU in question, specifically professional, detailed reviews of it, not some YT talking head going 'yay, Seasonic gifted us their PRIME Titanium 1200W unit, we built a new PC on it, and it's goooood ! buy it, the link in description !'.
Another thing tho, Seasonic are in the position where they're an OEM and customer simultaneously, they know what they want and how to do it. It may seem that this is why they must be better than others, but as long as other brand which outsources production is willing to dedicate their resources into researching on what they want (not just grabbing stuff off the shelf) and making sure that they receive exactly what they want (by having a team of engineers), there's nothing wrong with outsourcing per se.
TED talk over.

DeathtoGnomesLOL... are you for real? What parts do you think are used to make a PSU?


there is always the 1% of whats shipped that seems meant fail. The way Seasonic is talked about around here, this is blasphemy. :rolleyes:

It would be nice if there were more options like super flower, FSP, sparkle, etc. but here in North America, seasonic and seasonic re-brands seems to be most prevalent.

juularSeasonic for some reason uses Hong Hua rifle-bearing fans on their entire high-end lineup

They're using a Hong Hua fan for my PX-750, yes, but it's FDB. While idling & also gaming I can confirm that it's inaudible. Not any more louder than my already dead quiet Silent Wings 3 case fans, or GPU, at least.

mechtechIt would be nice if there were more options like super flower, FSP, sparkle, etc. but here in North America, seasonic and seasonic re-brands seems to be most prevalent.

Lol, "Sparkle" is the last thing I'd want to name my PSU company.

VannyThey're using a Hong Hua fan for my PX-750, yes, but it's FDB.

Pseudo 'FDB', a rifle rather, bqt SW3 are 'real' FDB by Matsushita, Corsair NR fans in their high-end lineups (essentially everything except RM and RM-x) are too, ASUS also uses old scool double-ball-bearing fans in their Seasonic rebrands. Not that it matters a lot if Seasonic will still amortize potentially higher (than of competition) fan failure rates, but still goes against the 'Seasonic always uses best' sentiment.

VannyWhile idling & also gaming I can confirm that it's inaudible.

Yeah, as i said, there are some percent of users that don't hear anything, and some that do, i don't have exact numbers tho.