Friday, December 3rd 2021

Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

Microsoft Windows 11, now nearing its third month since release, is for all intents and purposes, a flop. Market research by Lansweeper, which surveyed over 10 million PCs across the commercial and personal market segments, reports that less than 0.21% of the users it surveyed, had upgraded from Windows 10 to the newer operating system. The upgrade is free of charge. There may be several factors contributing to this lukewarm market response, but one of them is certain to he the steep hardware requirements. Windows 11 requires a trusted platform module (TPM 2.0), which disqualifies PCs older than 2018 for upgrades, unless the user is willing to try out workarounds to the limitation. Another factor could be the clunky user interface (UI), a less functional Start menu than Windows 10, and several UI-related bugs.

According to Lansweeper's data, there could be more people running outdated Windows XP, Vista, Windows 8, etc., than Windows 11, and this poses a great security risk, as these operating systems are no longer supported by Microsoft for regular security updates. Windows 10, on the other hand, is eligible for them until mid-2025—plenty of time for people to upgrade hardware to meet Windows 11 system requirements, or to simply make up their mind on switching over to the new operating system. In related news, Microsoft could give the Windows 11 Start menu a functional update. Test build 22509 introduces the ability to add more pins to the menu, or make room for more recommendations. The UI could see many such minor updates.
Sources: Tech Radar PRO, HotHardware
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393 Comments on Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

#302
lexluthermiester
MinxieSame thing, except towards these forums and telling them to stop being cynical about everything.
Blah blah blah..
MinxieForce, you're hilarious.
Oh?
MinxieIs that why 10 still has support and they won't just end its support, idk, tomorrow?
And that ends in less than 3 years. What happens then clever chops? You were saying?
MinxieGoodbye, unwatching this thread full of misinformed cynics.
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#303
Chrispy_
lexluthermiesterPut another way: Quit being bone-headed dumbasses, pull your heads from your rectums and do the RIGHT and CORRECT things.
But the right and correct things aren't as profitable.

Microsoft want to record everything about you and your habits as data to sell. They don't give a damn about you and will only change when forced to by a government, or fined millions a day for non-compliance.

Even then, you as a US citizen may not benefit from consumer-friendly changes enforced by the EU commission - just look at Windows N and KN to comply with EU and SK rulings against Microsoft. Not only did Microsoft continue to push the full-fat versions of Windows out (along with all their monopolistic, preference-ignoring bullshit that lost them the cases against the EU and SK governments), they merely offered the option to use a compliant version that wasn't 'ram our bullshit down your throat' variants in those regions.

As someone who installed a ton of Windows N, I regret that decision; Microsoft insidiously cut out a lot more of the underlying framework than they were told to, crippling the OS beyond what the ruling mandated and made use of third-party apps far more difficult than the regular version where you could just switch your browser/player/viewer back to what you preferred every 6 months after Microsoft briefly hijacked your PC and reset all your choices. What they did with Windows N was complied, spitefully and vengefully to the letter of the law whilst completely refusing to comply with the spirit of the law. The only people who they satisfied with those versions were the lawyers!
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#304
lexluthermiester
Chrispy_But the right and correct things aren't as profitable.
That depends on your perspective. Using such underhanded and slimy tactics is not winning the public over. It would be in microsoft's best interests to treat the public like valued friends & allies instead of criminals and subjugates.
Chrispy_They don't give a damn about you
And that's exactly the problem. If they cared and showed it, they would win over far more people. It's better to win over a people with trust and loyalty than force them into subjugation. History has taught this lesson many times. Certain nitwits at microsoft have failed to learn the lessons offered by history.
Chrispy_What they did with Windows N was complied, spitefully and vengefully to the letter of the law whilst completely refusing to comply with the spirit of the law.
Proving they have not learned the lessons of history. The leadership at microsoft either needs to pull their heads from their ass or they need to be replaced, by force if needed and not unironically.
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#305
Prima.Vera
I have uninstalled Windows 11 and re-installed Win 10. Is slower and crappier for me than Win 10. That's the truth.
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#307
bug
TiggerDoes win 10 even support ADL properly?
Win11 doesn't support ADL properly, so no issues there.
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#308
Unregistered
bugWin11 doesn't support ADL properly, so no issues there.
I meant the E cores, does win 10 have the correct thread director(or whatever it is called)
#309
Vayra86
TotallyFor me, it was them f@#$ing with the start menu. If I want it on the side of the screen, I want it on the side of the screen. If I wanted a Mac, I'd get a Mac and have them dictate my preferences.
Yep the Mac interface was an instant dealbreaker. It tasted like rotten Apples at first glance and everything else/new in 11 just screams 'but why?'. Its existence, too.

Not even with an eleven foot pole...
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#310
bug
TiggerI meant the E cores, does win 10 have the correct thread director(or whatever it is called)
It doesn't. But Win11 doesn't handle E cores right either, even though it is ITD-aware. It always sends background windows to E cores, even if they're running CPU-intensive tasks.

Truth be told, I'm not even sure heterogeneous cores can be figured out by the OS alone, on a desktop, period. I'm waiting for Linux 5.19 to see if that fares any better.
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#311
lexluthermiester
TiggerDoes win 10 even support ADL properly?
No, it does not. Windows 10 will not properly use ADL CPU's properly.
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#312
bug
lexluthermiesterNo, it does not. Windows 10 will not properly use ADL CPU's properly.
It depends. Out of 31 desktop CPU models released, 18 do not have E cores, so no problem with Win10. All mobile CPUs do, though.
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#313
lexluthermiester
bugIt depends. Out of 31 desktop CPU models released, 18 do not have E cores, so no problem with Win10. All mobile CPUs do, though.
The problem is that all of the mainstream models do have ecores and thus will not work well with Windows 10. I keep getting BSOD's with Win10 on anything ADL, so the advice is if you have ADL, use Win11.
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#314
bug
lexluthermiesterThe problem is that all of the mainstream models do have ecores and thus will not work well with Windows 10. I keep getting BSOD's with Win10 on anything ADL, so the advice is if you have ADL, use Win11.
I haven't noticed problems on Win10. But I did disable the E cores and only boot Windows maybe once a week... Haven't even done a clean install. But I have been warned now.
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#315
Unregistered
lexluthermiesterThe problem is that all of the mainstream models do have ecores and thus will not work well with Windows 10. I keep getting BSOD's with Win10 on anything ADL, so the advice is if you have ADL, use Win11.
Ok i will stick to 10. Didn't really see any reason to use 10 anyway tbh. I have been using 11 since beta, and had zero bsods, errors or CTD. Maybe i am just awesome at PC building/setting up :D
#317
bug
lexluthermiesterDid you mean 11?
He definitely mixed 10 and 11 in that post :P
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#318
SOAREVERSOR
TiggerOk i will stick to 10. Didn't really see any reason to use 10 anyway tbh. I have been using 11 since beta, and had zero bsods, errors or CTD. Maybe i am just awesome at PC building/setting up :D
I also have been using 11 with no errors either. I don't get the hate 4 it. It does look "macish" but mac looks like gnome to me!
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#320
Vayra86
Now watch Windows 12 bring back the 7 Start Menu, Aero V2 and a new driver regime so you have to move over, including all peripheral suppliers. Oh yeah, and DX13 of course.



As always... anything driver or OS related... if it ain't broken, don't fix it... heck don't even look at it. It was clear as day 11 was a shitshow, a similar 'upgrade' that 8 was over 7... (no not 8.1). Its MS taking way too many cues from the market and running with it, getting it ran over like roadkill by pretty much everyone, and then coming to their senses again for the next iteration. No, MS, we don't want an Apple interface, because then we'd buy Apple. No, we don't need a million connectivity options in desktop OSes. No, we don't need a Store with specially contained apps. GTFO. All is well and it was since 7. Just do your Azure business and rip off Enterprise. They have our money.
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#321
bug
SOAREVERSORI also have been using 11 with no errors either. I don't get the hate 4 it. It does look "macish" but mac looks like gnome to me!
It's not necessarily hate. But it's an OS that takes stuff away, giving little to nothing in return. It's probably more apathy than hate. E.g. I'm at ease giving it a pass the same way I gave (pardon the expression) 8 and 8.1 a pass.
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#322
rethcirE
I have yet to upgrade any machine I own from 10 to 11. Like most things I see no reason for change, and will likely only do so when it's an absolute requirement and even then will likely do so with ire and gritted teeth. To the same point, it's why I'm still on an 8th Gen Intel. I've had no reason to upgrade since it's purchase in 2019. Everything works, the RTX 2070 does everything I need as well. This PC is fully capable of running Win 11 but....why would I change something that works exactly as I need it to? What do I gain? I see nothing in Windows 11 worth investing my time/energy in. I would surely need hours to tweak and configure it much like I did with 10 to be happy.
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#323
ThrashZone
Hi,
It's one of those switches that most would probably say there wasn't anything special about 10 so why not use 11
Personally 11 is less special seeing all the new nonsense to deal with and the crap pile looks like it's going to get taller.

Just my iphone drives me bonkers sometimes so I'd never use a closed garden os like mac 24/7... and it looks like ms is going that direction.
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#324
bug
ThrashZoneHi,
It's one of those switches that most would probably say there wasn't anything special about 10 so why not use 11
Personally 11 is less special seeing all the new nonsense to deal with and the crap pile looks like it's going to get taller.

Just my iphone drives me bonkers sometimes so I'd never use a closed garden os like mac 24/7... and it looks like ms is going that direction.
MS is trying hard to go that way, but, luckily for us, it can't. Between their store being a complete failure and having to cater to businesses, Microsoft just can't lock down Windows like Apple locks down macOS.
I mean, look at how miserably Win11 failed at the attempt to reduce the number of supported CPUs.
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#325
ThrashZone
bugMS is trying hard to go that way, but, luckily for us, it can't. Between their store being a complete failure and having to cater to businesses, Microsoft just can't lock down Windows like Apple locks down macOS.
I mean, look at how miserably Win11 failed at the attempt to reduce the number of supported CPUs.
Hi,
CPU's depend on bios updates to get unflagged don't they
No bios update/ no 11 unless jump through hoops that is.
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